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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tropical Sources of ALA (Omega-3)
« on: September 15, 2022, 06:39:45 PM »
purslane.  I have some that just randomly started growing in my garden, it grows year-round through the summer.  There are improved purslane varieties that you can order from seed companies.  I just go and eat a few leaves when I'm outside, it isn't something you want to eat a ton of at once

Good point. Itís the richest non-seed plant source around. And grows like mad, sidewalks everywhere. I love it alone or in salads.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Beverly mango yay or nay?
« on: September 15, 2022, 06:34:26 PM »
Beverly is one I hadnít had enough of until recently. Flavor wise itís in Futureís Favorite Fifty. Nuff said v

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tropical Sources of ALA (Omega-3)
« on: September 05, 2022, 06:27:42 PM »
Chia is king. Walnut is also good.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Seedling Mango tree thread
« on: September 05, 2022, 06:25:18 PM »
Cambodiana Mango Seedling
After a couple years of producing, I thought this would be a good time for a write-up.  My tree produced fruit after 5 years from seed but I waited for year 7 to confirm mango quality and size.  This tree consistently puts out 6 ounce size fruit and one of the earliest to ripen in my yard. Itís a strong producer of disease free fruit, flowers, and leaves.  Lanky grower that needs a good pruning. Iíll get to it somedayÖright.  If left to ripen on the tree, the fruit turn a beautiful orange with yellow-orange fiberless flesh and brix in low 20s. Can also be picked early with a hint of yellow and they ripen on the counter just fine.  Flavor is pure indochinese.  Apparently this is the OG of all other indochinese types we love from Zill.  Itís like a Sweet Tart mango, but smaller.  Polyembryonic seed, however, I only have luck growing out the primary shoot in the subsequent generations. I have planted out several seedlings of this seedling on my property due to the favorable characteristics of the mother.  Another win for us SoCA seedling growers.








Great report and success. Well done.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: California Super Mango rootstock experiment
« on: September 05, 2022, 06:22:13 PM »
Impressive. And I didnít know there were 34 white Sapote varieties.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Thai mangos and their name
« on: September 03, 2022, 03:59:44 PM »
Thatís good info. In Malaysia I saw what we call Golden Queen (Keitt x Ivory) which was called Golden Dragon and also a red/purple Dragon mango. Very large. All grown In Thailand. I wonder if this is the purple mango you reference. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Golden Queen Mango?
« on: August 17, 2022, 03:13:41 PM »
There are some people growing it.

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Forum search function...

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I was fortunate enough to get a big load of mango seeds from a friend in FL. Here is a surprise varigated Mallika seedling! Anyone else ever get varigated seedlings?


I lost a piŮa colada variegation.  Talking to Alex he says variegated seedlings tend to be runts.

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Hi folks!
You can visit La Conception botanical garden. They introduce new fruit tree when I was there 6 years ago. Curious if the jackfruit, litchi, longan, banana Cavendish, sapote mamey are still there? Please let me know!
https://acclimatons.com/le-jardin-botanique-de-malaga-la-concepcion/
There are also a fruit festival this year at Rufino (he is passionate by tropical fruit, you should go and visit his land).
https://fruitstock.eu/fruitstock-festival/?fbclid=IwAR1tVimp6DV3B5Cqjco0gCF5OLNLoB9qLPnXlisCJzjU1IV2nkBtsTzge0w&prenom=Aude&email=teyssota%40yahoo.fr&ev=242774

There are many interesting producer of mango between Motril / Nerja/ Velez Malaga, as well as nurseries.
By the way, anyone know if frutales tropicales nursery still exist (they used to have rare tropical fruit)?

Thanks Benoit. Good resources. 

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With Three pages of available varieties...this looks promising in

https://tiendadefruta.com/en/2-shop-tropical-fruit?page=1

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Enjoy the ďMalagaĒ Mangoís .  100 points if you can find a grower that will sell you a known cultivar of Mango or Cherimoya.
I went to Malaga and Almunecar in season hoping to catch the Cherimoya festival . We stayed next to a 20+ acre Cherimoya orchard right in Almunecar and it was like asking people about the mafia or human smuggling off the coast.
No one would talk about it and gave us dirty looks like we were crazy for asking. Tíwas weird indeed.
There must be someone doing it up right in those nice growing conditions though.
Looking forward to seeíing what yíalls can rustle up.

B2B, thank you. Odd. Is it that thereís more money for exports?

https://almunecarinfo.com/torrecuevas-fiestas-de-la-chirimoya-almunecar/

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I must say you have quite the channel.  Thank you.  Iím heading to Malaga area so will PM you to compare notes.

I was there 3 months ago. Unless you are invited to someone's garden, I don't think you will find anything else outside Malaga central market. That's where all exotics are. They even had salak and mangosteen for 20 EUR/kilo. ( imported  of course ). Top tier fresh figs and cherimoyas are your best hope right now.  In general I think Southern Spain is noticeably cooler overall than Southern California even though their climates classified as the same.

Thanks DL. You were just passing through?  Reading online says thereís 10,000 acres of mango across southern Spain. It seems mainly osteen with Kent, Keitt also and predominantly for export from what I read. Temperatures do look low at night for much of the year (high 40s) from what Iím reading. Highs below 90F and fairly low rainfall(which promises would to trigger flowering, perhaps too young like Cali). But no freezing as far asI can see.




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I must say you have quite the channel.  Thank you.  Iím heading to Malaga area so will PM you to compare notes.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« on: July 26, 2022, 04:32:51 PM »
Another interesting thing, when a young durian tree is getting too much sun, the leaves will also be a lot smaller.
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Future,
I wounder how long it would take to have the graft fruit on the host durian? And it probably have to be grafted quite close to the trunk as durian is cauliflorous, mango's fruit is borne on the en of branches (terminal) so it would be easy there, just graft at the end of any branch. Have anyone tested this field graft method for durian to potentially be able to evaluate seedlings faster??!

Wish ya all odorous durian sessions!

from the jungle
cassowary
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I have not come across anyone doing this on Durian yet. But if not, itís time to get started. 🧐

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« on: July 25, 2022, 06:44:15 PM »
I had a couple of veterans who have been growing durian here for more than 40 years and have been to all the durian hotspots around the world tell me that a humble gan yao fresh fallen off the tree is as good as any of these big name varieties coming out of Malaysia.

I haven't been to Malaysia myself and tasted the big names myself but thought i would share what i was told.

I met one such veteran last month. He was one of two people with permission to collect material from some esoteric Malaysian locations and successful brought Durian to Aussie land 40 years ago. He was cycling through Malaysia and stopped in a the farm @DurianWriter Ďs tour used as basecamp.

Ived had neighborhood Durian as good as any but itís a dice roll.

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Flavor wise it has a twang to it but youíd be hard pressed to find something sweeter.  Thin seeds win bonus points.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« on: July 24, 2022, 11:44:16 AM »
Hereís a champedek being partially shaded by gliricidia.  The page wouldnít load another photo I have of a young durian with a post on either side more effectively shading the delicate tree.  These living posts are used very commonly for fences in CR. They are very useful and many farms make good use of them. I also use them to shade cacao. In southern Mexico theyíre called madre cacao.

In our area we are getting some very good quality fruit of of durian trees that are only 8 years old. Weíve had the fruits in Asia, even from 100 year old trees. Personally, I think there is some degree of hype about old trees. The thing about a place like Penang is that there is such a durian culture and SO many different select durians. We canít do that any time soon but I donít believe you canít get very good durian off of young trees. I would like to see a blind taste test!
Peter

Thank you. Iíll study this chop and drop nitrogen fixer some more. I also agree hype is probable in Penang. Whether itís quality taking decades or planting on slopes or 3 named varieties selling at 3x the price of everything else, I wouldnít take any of it as iron clad.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango alongside Durian
« on: July 23, 2022, 06:49:13 PM »
I asked a similar question here regarding covering mangoes during flowering - https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=47487.0. Sounds promising anyway.

I see Lindsay posted as far back as 2013 her durian adventures with some members here in Puerto Rico. They have a dry season so I presume irrigate plenty up to a point. With trees having been there for 100 years, I wonder whatís survived the longest. Hurricanes would appear devastating to durian. Iím reaching out to see who I can contact given the powerful direct hit hurricane hitting the place a few years ago. Other than that, it might be a good mango alongside durian location.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« on: July 23, 2022, 06:43:06 PM »
Cassowary- thatís quite an info download. Thank you.

Peter - what is ďglyrcydium postsĒ?  A nitrogen fixing plant?

One idea Iím pondering is applying the same concept used with mangoes to speed up seedling selection - grafting seedling scions onto a mature tree branch to force flowers earlier.  With durian having such a long period until hitting its peak flavor, even that would be a slow process.

Is anyone also growing lowianus? Graveolens?

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At 900 kg that mango will become well known!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango alongside Durian
« on: July 19, 2022, 01:42:37 PM »
I asked a similar question here regarding covering mangoes during flowering - https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=47487.0. Sounds promising anyway.

Got it.

These are a bit too high end but simpler versions that rollout and back with transparent tops and sides that open would work. A decent amount of backyard trees could be covered up to small commercial scale. Trees would need to be ones that produce at small size, like Orange Sherbet. More searching to do.

https://rollacover.com/products-gallery/

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango alongside Durian
« on: July 18, 2022, 07:07:20 PM »
Sorry I should have been a bit specific as tarps isn't quite the right way to describe it. So the extension office was doing an experiment where they keep the mango tree very small. Six feet tall and wide. Around the tree is a structure we here call pipe tents. Similar to an easy up, but more permanent. People use them for car ports or nurseries or temporary structures. So utilizing a 10x10' structure around the tree. During flowering season they will place a clear roof over the structure very similar to a nursery greenhouse without any sides. This prevents the rain from hitting the flowers as they are forming and opening. I believe this may also prevent anthracnose from forming at this time. I'm not exactly sure how long they keep the tree out of the rain. Is it the full fruit production? So the anthracnose doesn't form on the fruits? I only saw the trees during non flowering season. I'd like to try with one tree maybe. But its not for commercial production as it would be too much effort, so just good for the home grower

Thank you. That makes total sense.  Add a tarp under the tree and flower induction could also be done. But yes, itís a small scale only solution. The # of mango trees in Malaysia clearly indicate people love the fruit - despite lots on non-production. The setup you describe reminds me of a concept Dr. Richard Campbell described but in this case for cold protection. Itís essentially a giant tarp-like retractable roof that can roll down side rails and is deployed when cold strikes in Florida. I imagine if a clear plastic was used a setup might host dozens of trees below it. Will need to investigate. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango alongside Durian
« on: July 18, 2022, 11:51:45 AM »
Whatís up TFF.
In Malaysia outside of Perlis and northern Kedah mangoes don't seem to grow well. You can still find some small farms that grow mangoes outside of those two states and the mangoes grown are mostly chokonan mangoes from thailand.those farms can be found in Malacca and negeri sembilan and central sarawak.in Kedah and Perlis it's harummanis.also mangoes unlike durian are grown in flat terrains.over all mangoes seem to grow well in urban areas and coastal areas in Malaysia .in urban areas trees seem to flower well when being grown next to an asphalt road or concrete sidewalks.i wonder it could be the heat emitting from the ground

Which part of Malaysia do you live in?  How do you rate Harumanis?  I saw trees with flowers in urban areas. Heat wonít trigger mango flowering but the asphalt and concrete might be restricting water.
I'm in Sarawak in a district called bau about 1 hour from kuching.harummanis is a great mango and it's exported to japan.it only fruits well in Perlis and northern Kedah.theres a short dry season starting from December to February there which is abnormal and unlike other region in malaysia.just Google  alor star and check the annual rainfall .here in Kuching Sarawak the lowest rainfall is in July with 120mm of rainfall and still wet for mangoes.also mangoes look horrible in my hometown and in Kuching in some of those urban areas it blooms better than in bau

Thatís interesting. It may make the case for growing mango in areas where Durian do well using impervious tarps around the trunk for several months.  Flowers that set fruit in rain would still be probably essential.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« on: July 18, 2022, 11:48:33 AM »
Some interesting notes from my recent trip to Penang. Some, definitely not all, serious durian farmers claim to remove flowers for the first 20 years after they begin. 6-8 years to flower means 26-28 to fruit. I imagine this is for grafted varieties only as youíd probably want to evaluate a seedlings potential. Nonetheless, their reasoning is trees donít produce quality level needed for sale until that time and they donít want wasted energy on fruiting.

Thatís commitment.

Second thing was slopes vs. flat land. Most say Durian does better on slopes. Iím not so sure. It might be the Durian in Penang were planted to stop landslides and everyone is used to that. The oldest trees I saw, one 200 year old and the other a stunning 300 year old were on flat land.  Anecdotal but nonetheless....


Third thing, the most common cause of death I heard  for and established tree: lightning.

Lightning is indeed big problem at my place. I lost 2 coconut trees and one very tall, old jackfruit tree to lightning since looking after property.

The oldest durian trees I have seen were in this botanical garden, almost on a flat land, not textbook flat. Planted in 19th century. Old seedling durian trees are majestic, absolutely beautiful sight. Grafted "Christmas trees" not so much.




There is at least one Durian tree in Penang with a lightning rod!

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