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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Leo Manuel’s passing
« on: June 03, 2022, 02:11:53 AM »
Thanks for letting us know, Simon.  Sad to hear this, I had visited him twice several years ago, once with Jack Swords.  Leo did write me a year or so ago to say he was not doing well.  I wish I could have seen him again.  He helped me a lot understand pitaya and I'm grateful that he took the time to help put together Paul Thomson's small book on the subject.  The first pitanga I ate was from his yard.  Somewhere I have a photo of when he had a black sapote growing which was grafted onto a Giant Fuyu persimmon.  I'm sure many have other fond memories.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2022 Second Yangmei (Myrica Rubra) Group Order(Tentative)
« on: March 07, 2022, 09:32:15 PM »
Amy asked me to let SoCal folks know that she is on her way to the distribution points.  No rain so taking 101.  Her SUV's GPS is acting up so using phone.  She said the trees look nice.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2022 Second Yangmei (Myrica Rubra) Group Order(Tentative)
« on: March 03, 2022, 10:00:25 PM »
I don't understand why people feel motivated to tell someone who is volunteering how to do their task.  101 is not a short cut or faster way to SoCal from Campbell.  Even Google maps shows I-5 as the optimal route, saving 33 miles and 36 minutes to get to Los Angeles.  If traffic is moderately or very bad, the difference is even greater time wise.  And the level of stress is much less on I-5.  I've made the trip south both ways many times.  Amy has chosen the better route even if it is slightly less convenient for a couple of people.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2022 Yangmei (Myrica Rubra) Group Order
« on: December 18, 2021, 12:00:47 AM »
Do you have some estimate on the date you will receive the plants after the order is placed?  A friend is interested and was asking me about this.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Are 'Black Medeira' fig trees overrated?
« on: November 04, 2017, 08:10:40 PM »
Quote from: ricshaw on November 04, 2017, 06:43:14 PM
I think Figs 4 Fun makes a good point:
http://figs4fun.com/basics.html

"In my experience I have developed a personal theory about fig taste. I have learned that my wife and I have very different tastes in figs.
Many people like dark colored figs. This was my original place on the spectrum.
Many people like light colored figs, I discovered these figs later in my experience.
Some people will eat any and every fig. I am almost here, now, but there is one remaining obstacle.
The dividing line seems to be between people who love Brown Turkey figs...
... and people, like me, who hate Brown Turkey figs.
I have two fig trees, grown from cuttings sent by people who were convinced that if I ate "their" Brown Turkey, I would be persuaded.
What I discovered was that one of these was a Celeste and the other something akin to Marseilles: both very nice figs, and doubtless why these people liked "Brown Turkey" figs."

The Celeste that Jon wrote about there is not actually Celeste at all.  He later named it Mega Celeste, but it's not actually related to Celeste.

More to the point, though, is that John Preece, the research leader (top dog) at USDA's repository at Wolfskill, has told me twice that his favorite fig in the collection is California Brown Turkey.  Both times I shared with him the typical view of the elitist fig crowd.  He smiled in response.  I think it's great that people have different taste preferences, though sometimes it leaves me puzzled.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Are 'Black Medeira' fig trees overrated?
« on: November 04, 2017, 05:38:00 PM »
Black Madeira and Figo Preto are the same.  People can debate it a lot based on their small samples of 1 tree of each, etc. but they are clearly the same and the formal variety name is 'Violeta'.

Some people have come up with the idea that trees from Keith (KK) are more vigorous.  Keith indicates in his auctions that he go this cutting originally from Jon Verdick and Jon got his originally from a college garden down in San Diego that no longer exists but it is the original source for Black Madeira as far as I can tell.  Someone in the UK bought a cutting of Black Madeira from me and said it grew to 5 feet or so the first year.  That is not typical for Black Madeira but happens some of the time.  If I root 12 cuttings I will usually get at least 4 or so that are vigorous.  I don't know why.  I have grafted Black Madeira onto more vigorous varieties for rootstock with very good results.  I have a video "grafting considerations" at www.youtube.com/Figaholics where I show a comparison between one of my grafted Black Madeira next to one growing on it's roots.

Black Madeira is definitely one of my favorite varieties and it should do well for you.  I grow 350 varieties at present and I would say Black Madeira is in my personal top 10 but people's taste preferences vary widely.  I saw Flanders mentioned above and that's one I got rid of last year, but I know of others who like it also.  Italian 258 mentioned above is also great.  Black Madeira seems to produce later into the fall than most varieties, I just picked 5 or 6 fruits on November 2nd.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Mexican citrus called "mango"?
« on: July 03, 2016, 12:10:51 PM »
Quote from: Millet on July 03, 2016, 10:33:11 AM
Harvey, I would trust David's judgement.  I did not know David Karp was employed at UCR. He certainly is very knowledgeable when it comes to fruit. - Millet

I don't exactly know David's position but he's been there for at least a few years and is listed as an "associate" working in the collection.  He still works as a freelance writer with the LA Times.

I guess I'd still have some uncertainty if this is the same citrus that they call mango in Mexico.  My contract laborer said he could bring cuttings from his uncle's tree but I declined and explained to him about HLB, etc.  He had no idea....

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Mexican citrus called "mango"?
« on: July 03, 2016, 01:10:30 AM »
I wrote David Karp at UCR and he said that 'Vanglia Sanguigno' is sometimes marketed as mango orange and that he doesn't know of any other variety sold with this marketing name.

I may give it a try some day.  Maybe in some climates it's worth growing.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Mexican citrus called "mango"?
« on: July 03, 2016, 12:14:47 AM »
Hi Millet, just not enough time in the day/night, at a pretty hectic stage in life at the moment and much of that has to do with my expanding fig collection/nursery (over 300 varieties acquired in past few years).

I haven't given up on citrus.  In fact, some trees I've had in pots for five years and they finally got planted yesterday with the hired help I finally decided to help me get caught up with things.  I like to do things myself so that they get done just right but I finally faced reality and got the help.  Put 20 citrus (21 varieties) in the ground yesterday....finally!

Thanks for that link.  Made me still wonder what it is.  I did some more searching and this guy apparently is saying it's Vaniglia Sanguigno.  http://fruitmaven.com/tag/citrus/  (see blog entry 1/20/2012).  Do you think that's the same thing or should I ask Dr. Kahn?  I tasted that at Lindcover in December 2014, I believe, and wasn't impressed, but it's a bit hard to get impressed with a low acid fruit when tasting so many other competing flavors at the same time.

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Citrus General Discussion / Mexican citrus called "mango"?
« on: July 02, 2016, 05:01:13 PM »
I've got some workers here at my place and had them help me plant several citrus yesterday.  He was impressed with all the variety of fruit I grow and asked me if I had a citrus with mango flavor.  He said in Mexico there is a citrus they call "mango" as it tastes like mango.  It has something of a reddish pigment.  He brought it up as we planted a Cara Cara.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Amazing Multi-grafted citrus tree 101 in 1
« on: July 02, 2016, 04:57:30 PM »
Joe still owns his Davis home and I visited him at that home a year or so ago but now rents it out to UCD staff.  Some of the citrus grafts had died out due to lack of maintenance after he moved to his new home.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Taste of Redlands white sapote
« on: December 12, 2015, 03:30:43 AM »
Yes, it surprised me.  I was really not optimistic about this one for the same reasons.  I've had many great white sapote including Vernon, Lemon Gold, even Rainbow.  This was a great surprise.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Taste of Redlands white sapote
« on: December 12, 2015, 12:42:39 AM »
I picked my first Redlands in early September, my earliest fruit of the season.  It was very good to excellent.  I'm not good at describing flavors but my wife thought it had a bit of a peach flavor.

I posted a couple of photos at www.facebook.com/WhiteSapoteFruit/posts/1070463582978010

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« on: June 10, 2015, 01:51:22 PM »
Something simpler: Essentially all of my fruits this year have two seeds, a few with three.  I only recall them having one seed the prior few years but my memory on this is not 100% by a long shot.  Adam has previously identified my tree as Sabara.  Is there anything unusual about this?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« on: June 07, 2015, 07:20:32 PM »
Is there something about jaboticaba fruit (skins?) that cause irrigation to the tongue of someone consuming the fruit?  I ate quite a bit of fruit a couple of days ago and later that night I realized my tongue was burning as if it had been irrigated by latex.  It could have been causes by something else, though the only thing I can think of is one fig I also ate that that day.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« on: June 06, 2015, 01:33:14 AM »
What do you suppose is the size of the largest jabo tree in the U.S.?  Can we all dream some day that ours will be as large as some of those landscape specimens? :)  How old do you imagine some of those are?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cocktail White Sapote
« on: June 04, 2015, 11:03:32 AM »
You're right, of course, Jack.  The late Bob Chambers put together a nice collection and was generous in sharing.  For those that have not seen it, here are photos I and others took of our visit with Bob: www.whitesapote.com

Also, in earlier discussions above there was a question asked about timing of fruit and a variety name did not come to me at the time.  Selck is ever-bearing, it seems, and had plenty of fruit on it during that visit.  I believe my graft of it is in too much shade, if I recall correctly.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cocktail White Sapote
« on: June 04, 2015, 02:01:30 AM »
Nice topic and photos.  It's dark now so I won't take any photos right now. :)

I have 12 trees in the ground grafted to about 30 varieties with one tree having 8 varieties.  None of my fruit seems very close to being mature, though I'm hoping to have something earlier than October this year since our winter was very mild (just 2 nights of frost).  Rainbow has fruit on it for the first time and I'm excited to try that  I also believe that my Redlands has fruit on it for the first time and I'm interested to see how that is

Vernon was not precocious for me as has been reported by some.  On the other hand, Lemon Gold was quick to fruit for me, 2 years on the first graft and 1 year on a second graft.

My trees are planted much too close together (7' x 7') and don't get sunlight all day as I wasn't even sure they would survive our climate when I first decided to try them out in 2008.  I have some in pots that I now will put in some undetermined wide open space.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« on: June 03, 2015, 11:52:58 AM »
Quote from: ScottR on June 02, 2015, 11:15:01 AM
Hey Harvey, long time no hear from you glad to see your Jabo is fruiting well for you I bet all your W. Sapote's must me giant by now!! Your Jabo is Sabarah right?Thanks for sharing pic ;) 8)

Yes, that's right, Robert, Adam helped identify it as the Sabara variety a couple of years ago (wasn't identified when bought from Ong Nursery).  My white sapote need much more room to grow and I have some new potted ones that I plan to plant out in the open more to get the room they need.  With the mild winter we had I hope to get some early fruits to ripen.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« on: June 02, 2015, 12:52:03 AM »
Sorry, I haven't been a very reliable jaboticabaholic and haven't been sharing my problem very well here.  I've got many addictions and haven't neglected this addiction but just haven't been sharing much.

I've posted photos of my apparent Sabara tree previously, one I bought in 2008.  I've had some modest crops the past couple of years but this year it's really gone crazy.  I think it might be because I finally broke down and followed another addicts pruning advice!  I usually take photos of my tree a couple of times each day lately.  This helps since I can look at the photos when it's not near me.  :)

I think this is pretty dang good for NorCal!


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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Seedless Or Low-Seeded Mandarin Varieties
« on: December 20, 2014, 01:09:02 AM »
I tasted some Daisy SL last Friday at Lindcove and they were excellent.  The only drawback to this fruit is that they don't peel very well.

Also, I was surprised to find that the Page at Lindcove did not have very many seeds in it.   88-2 was also very good but a friend thought that the membrane was a bit tough.  The Tahoe/Shasta/Yosmite Gold as well Tango and Gold Nugget were not ripe yet.

Breeder Mike Roose told me that he thought that Daisy SL and Gold Nugget are the too best tasting around.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Picked 1st Dekopon Fruit
« on: December 20, 2014, 01:03:52 AM »
Quote from: Millet on October 28, 2014, 06:59:05 PM
Gary, you could have a problem finding a Dekopon tree, because you live in California. You will have to locate an instate supplier, as no out of state supplier can legally ship a citrus tree into California.  Presently I don't know of an Californiae nursery that sells Dekopon. If you ever find one plwAE put their name on this board as many people in California are wanting a Dekopon tree.  - Millet

I attended the grower tasting/tour at Lindcove last Friday and I asked Tracy Kahn if UCR had acquired another line of Dekopon to release to the public.  She said they had, though it might not be the same exact strain as what's marketed as Sumo.  She said it is expected to be released from quarantine in 2015 and budwood will first be distributed to nurseries only.  Looks like we may finally get our chance in a few years!

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Harvest bags , buckets
« on: May 27, 2014, 04:32:47 AM »
The bags that Millet linked to also open up on the bottom for unloading.  I have several of them since I used to farm pears.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Replacing rootstock on mature Fukomoto?
« on: May 02, 2014, 03:12:18 AM »
Okay, thanks, I'll search those terms.  He's already done some inter-planting over the past few years.  Wish he had looked into this first.

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Citrus General Discussion / Replacing rootstock on mature Fukomoto?
« on: May 01, 2014, 04:25:21 PM »
I have a friend with a small commercial orchard of Fukumoto.  I forget what rootstock that was used, but it's one that was later determined to have poor compatibility with Fukumoto.  His orchard is at least 10 years old and he replaces some trees completely each year when the tree health is very compromised.  Is it feasible to plant a new rootstock next to the existing trees and do an approach graft?  I'm guessing he might not get this sort of advice from a nursery since they'd prefer to sell a new tree.  I couldn't find any discussion of this online. Thanks.

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