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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Foreign mango familiarity
« on: August 25, 2023, 11:41:06 AM »
"Harum Manis" is highly regarded variety in Java (Indonesia). I've grafted 2 scions from 2 different sources, but the fruits that emerged looked so much different and the taste were very disappointing, I topworked the tree and replaced them with Florida's varieties.

"Having strong mango rootstock and good draining soil gives you a fighting chance in the early years of growth."

Very valuable info for most of Socal mango growers, wish I knew these things when I started planting mangos in 2014. I also learned a lot from Simon's and other members write ups as well. Thanks to all of you!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lychee Thread
« on: August 09, 2023, 08:28:59 PM »

I think you tree is still not old enough to hold a lot of fruits. I know a few forum members that told me their in ground Sweetheart tree didn't hold fruits until 7 yrs in the ground, then it fruited every year after that. So maybe your tree will hold the fruits next year.

I have an old (30+yr) Brewster tree in my yard. It took about 7-10yrs before it started to hold fruits each year. After the first year it had fruits, then every year after that it had more and more fruits. It has been a highly productive tree every since for the last 20 years.

I was assuming my tree is old enough, since it already have first decent harvest in 2019; -but not again since then, mostly due to lack of flowers, till this year-. Ok then, I will be more patient, while trying to caring the tree to stay healthy. Thanks for the advise, Kaz!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lychee Thread
« on: August 09, 2023, 02:48:05 PM »
Ok, I already added the amount of watering when it was blooming earlier this year. I guess I need to recheck this and increase some more.  Hi, thanks again Galatians for your reply!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lychee Thread
« on: August 09, 2023, 01:16:13 AM »
Good to see that most Socal lychee growers  here seem to have good/decent crop this year. I can't figure out why my 7 year in ground Mauritius fruits have dropped almost all of it's fruits this Summer; after coming out with plenty of flowers and baby fruits already formed this Spring. I mean, most flower panicles are fruitless now, a few have only one or two fruits only. 

The tree looks healthy to me and keeps growing. Can someone suggest of some clue why this happened? I appreciate your help!

I wanted to have them shipped a little later, and she honors my request. Just received them today, all survived the shipping/handling treatment.
Appreciate your great service Irene! 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lychee Thread
« on: July 10, 2023, 12:39:23 AM »
I planted my Mauritius labeled tree also from a nursery’s (Mimosa in LA) 15G in March 2015; then started to bear meaningful harvest in August 2019. (It did held -only 2– mature fruits in July 2015, but I don’ think we can count this.)
For what it’s worth; I’ll say about 1/3 of this Mauritius fruits have chicken tongue seeds in them.

However the Brewster one that I bought along with the Mauritius, after having it moved several times; seems to start holding decent number of small baby fruits now…

Not sure if this feedback have some value to you John, good luck with yours! By the way; your trees look very healthy! 

2019 Mauritius harvest:

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: White Sapote Fruit Shapes
« on: June 30, 2023, 09:06:43 PM »
It is sweet, soft and juicy, with 2 or 4 large and small seeds, not sure what variety this is, it bears even more fruits this year...

Good variety I think. Could Suebelle which can have yellow to orange flesh and excellent taste.

Yes, it really resemble closely with what people posted as Suebelle in the net.
Appreciate your input, Sapote!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: White Sapote Fruit Shapes
« on: June 30, 2023, 02:23:59 AM »
I grew it from seed from a friend's fruit he picked from his own yard, then I grafted
a mature scion on it from his tree.
Before it's capable of holding fruits to maturity last year, the tree kept dropping all
it's flowers the previous 2 years. So, I am not sure grafting a mature scion on the
seedling helped speed up the fruiting or not. 
Unfortunately he has no idea of what the variety of his tree is; maybe someone can
help Id it? Thanks!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: White Sapote Fruit Shapes
« on: June 30, 2023, 12:07:54 AM »
My first time fruiting white sapote from May of last year:

It is sweet, soft and juicy, with 2 or 4 large and small seeds, not sure what variety this is, it bears even more fruits this year...

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Avocado thread
« on: March 27, 2023, 02:41:29 AM »
Here's how the tree from the video in December turned out.  Even with our long winter they are growing ok.  Not ideal but it seems like they will make it.  Gray Martin says my early grafting is frowned upon.  But it seems to work ok.  Now way I could have done so many bark grafts otherwise.  It would still not slip yet with all the cold.  I top worked 15 or 20 trees and they all seem to be growing out in this weather.

My 10 scions I got from Brad in January, started to breaking the buddy tapes 3 weeks ago; so yes, seems this super wet Winter season may caused the avocado grafts to linger longer than I experienced in the past. I was   little worry of why this was taking so long, and doubting myself of what I did wrong in grafting them. They mostly look good now, thanks again for the extras you sent me Brad!  ;)

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Avocado scions
« on: December 23, 2022, 01:37:53 PM »
Glad to see you started offering Avocado scions already!
PM sent, January or February shipping is fine for me.
Thanks Brad!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango: germinate seed in 90F oven
« on: October 22, 2022, 11:21:18 PM »
Thanks Victoria Ave and Sapote, for confirming what I thought I would do with my baby mango seedlings.

Sapote, being just 3 ft on the East side of the house, your seedling trees would only get about half day sun growing up, right? If that is so, I might pull a couple of Hibiscus bushes and replace them with mango seedlings then…

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango: germinate seed in 90F oven
« on: October 21, 2022, 11:28:58 AM »
Thanks for sharing your creative idea, Sapote!

I also have newly germinated mango seeds in conventional pots currently,
would you recommend to plant these in the ground now (late October)
or later in Spring be better for our SoCal climate?

Good advice Johnny, thanks again!

I forgot to mention this in my last post but one thing I have discovered is you have greater success grafting onto a strong thick vigorous branch vs weak lower limbs on an existing mango rootstock or seedling tree.

Conclusion:  Remove weak grown (especially on younger mango trees) and focus the energy of the tree on 2-3 of the strongest branches. Just my experience for long term success and strong branching.


I agree, I also notice that whenever I grafted some scions (not necessarily mango) on a weak/small branch on a mature tree, it develops slow or very slow, many eventually died years later. I will keep this in mind on my future grafts work.
I appreciate you taking the time and sharing your valuable experience!

In the mean time, I went ahead and cut my main thick trunk manila down to about 15”, I read that it’s easier to graft on new green  shoots than to do bark grafting on mango. (On the other hand, on stone fruit trees, I had 6 out of 6 successes  bark grafting them). 
So, I am looking forward to do some multi grafting on the new shoots, this coming Summer I hope…

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Seedling Mango tree thread
« on: October 15, 2022, 05:17:03 PM »
 Wow, successful result from seedling! Thanks for sharing the news.
 I would rather have the problem of the good fruits sagging the tree
rather than having a shapely erect tree with hardly any fruits, Brad… :)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Restoring a 30+ year old avocado orchard
« on: October 11, 2022, 11:33:58 AM »
I supposed getting water from a well is not practical?
Looks so large, good luck managing the grove.   

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Post-Hurricane Blues
« on: October 11, 2022, 11:18:34 AM »

Using the ratchets for the straps, I am able to get the trees reasonably straight and then every few days continue tightening the straps to gradually finish getting them upright.

Just a thought and all the best to you and others in recovering from the hurricane.

Yes, I've been using ratcheting straps also to straighten up trees (not caused by hurricane) in the manner you described, works very well.


Overall I am satisfied with this multi-grafted mango tree and expect production to pick up as it matures. Currently, I am growing about 25 different varieties of mango at my location and the only way I can try them all is to do multi-grafting on my in-ground trees.

Nice going Johnny!  Love seeing your pretty and healthy multi grafted tree! Yes, it’s  city dwellers problem with limited yard space.   ;)

I am planning to do a top work on one of my tree, it’s manila root stock tree; It’s got multiple varieties on it, but I am not please with them, baring one (Sweet Tart). I understand that the best time to do this on mango is around June-October in SoCal? Which grafting method would you guys/gals recommend, grafting on the water shoots or bark grafting method is better?
I supposed if I elect to do water shoots grafting, I better cut the tree about knee high or so now…no? Someone would like to give some opinion please? Thanks!

It’s good to see those beautiful/healthy mango trees and fruits that were
grown here in SoCal, give me some hope to expect better result to just a few of mine.
Thanks for sharing those photos, Brad!

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Citrus leaves looking weird. What is it?
« on: October 03, 2022, 01:41:59 AM »
Picture 3 looks a lot like citrus leaf miner.

Yes, after zooming in no. 3 picture twice, I can see the "tunnel" on the leaf
that Leaf miners typically do. Lots of discussion on this on this forum...good luck!

Neither, Sinaloa is free of Med Fruit fly I believe it's granted a special exception to the treatment rules.

Good to know that Oolie, thanks for sharing!

Took home this big Keitt mango at Seafood City Irvine last night.
The box's label shows this comes from Sinaloa, Mexico. So, they got hot water
treatment or where they "radiated"?
Hope the seeds are still viable, that I will have 4 seedlings coming...
Just an fyi.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Can a Cherimoya survive if I Dig It out?
« on: October 01, 2022, 02:00:27 AM »
If you have to dig it out, I would trim the cherimoya very hard, maybe down to at least 1/3 it's size today. Also, doing it on the growing season (Spring) might give it a better chance to survive.  I found cherimoyas survive nicely with little watering in SoCal.

As far as letting the fruits to mature on your presumably young mango, herm..., that's what I did few years ago; then it just stayed there for the next 3-4 years. I've been reading Simon's "How to grow mangos in SoCal" on this site, I wish I read that before I let my young mangos bear the few fruits.
Happy growing, palingkecil!

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