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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Brian's Pennsylvania Greenhouse and Tropical Fruit Trees
« on: April 22, 2024, 09:04:10 PM »
Feijoa definitely not a vine, it's a stout bush.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Brian's Pennsylvania Greenhouse and Tropical Fruit Trees
« on: April 22, 2024, 04:58:43 PM »
Dang, that's amazing!
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lujan Jaboticaba - 7b in Ground Test
« on: April 22, 2024, 02:59:44 PM »
These two Campo Ramons are from the same seeds. One of them I planted in ground 2 years ago, the other continued living in a pot. Which one is going to fruit soonest / grow biggest? Planting in the ground is cool and all, but I don't have issues keeping stuff in pots long term, especially if it's what they want anyways.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Macadamia question
« on: April 22, 2024, 01:37:11 PM »This is on the smaller size of producing macadamia trees I've seen.
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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Tropical fruit in SF
« on: April 22, 2024, 12:32:49 PM »
Asian grocery stores are best imo. It's mangosteen season overseas so they're fresh right now.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
« on: April 19, 2024, 11:43:21 PM »My Tropical Pink Guava is flowering right now I think, for the first time. I’m 80% sure but its hard to tell. Is anyone else in the Valley of CA experiencing the same?
I am seeing flowers on some of my guavas right now too, but not yet guajava.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lujan Jaboticaba - 7b in Ground Test
« on: April 19, 2024, 12:20:41 PM »
Red is decidedly less hardy than others. It will die back hard in 9b when it gets into the low 30s, I expect I could lose the whole plant under 25f.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: When to prune young jaboticaba?
« on: April 18, 2024, 03:10:23 PM »
I'm always picking away at my plants honestly, I love pruning and shaping them. I will generally start pruning them around the 5g size. I LOVE finding a totally untouched specimen like that jabo, which was in a 25g, and dressing it down like I did in the photo.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lujan Jaboticaba - 7b in Ground Test
« on: April 18, 2024, 02:22:22 PM »
I will echo that Marco's Argentinian species are more cold hardy than my other jabos, and flush out earlier, but again, I do not believe these to be revolutionary results. At best you're going to get +5f more temperature resistance is my guess.
You have folks like NissanVersa saying they lost massive mature jabos to 17f. So say you somehow had a lujan or campo with a 6" trunk - you'd lose it at 12f. You now mention you go below zero.
Sorry, but I think this is a rather foolish exercise and I don't get it. My jabos really suffer in 9b already.
You have folks like NissanVersa saying they lost massive mature jabos to 17f. So say you somehow had a lujan or campo with a 6" trunk - you'd lose it at 12f. You now mention you go below zero.
Sorry, but I think this is a rather foolish exercise and I don't get it. My jabos really suffer in 9b already.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: When to prune young jaboticaba?
« on: April 18, 2024, 02:04:23 PM »
I have differing opinion, I guess. I generally prune them for shaping once they get to around 3 feet tall. I like to open up the canopy and widen the tree and make sure there will be no crossing wood long term. I have a very large sabara that I got from someone else, and there are two 1" thick branches that are going to be touching this year. I wish I'd been more on top of pruning it as soon as I got it. It feels too late now. Hoping they'll fuse together.
Here is the size and prune job on an install I did for a client.
Here is the size and prune job on an install I did for a client.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lujan Jaboticaba - 7b in Ground Test
« on: April 17, 2024, 09:38:50 PM »
Yangmei seedlings, with trunks only a few millimetres wide, don't even blink in 27-30f here, even being 100% under snow. I would suggest that they'll be winners out there.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lujan Jaboticaba - 7b in Ground Test
« on: April 17, 2024, 08:42:41 PM »
I will say that my Campo Ramon is ever so slightly hardier than my Sabara, but it is not revolutionary by any means. It still gets beat down in the winter. I consider it a zone push to have jabos outdoor all year in 9b. 8b and 8a, ok, you're really on the edge there but I salute you, 7b on the other hand is a death sentence. It may not be year 1, maybe not year 2, but eventually, it'll get got.
I've killed so many trees being optimistic and thinking I could beat the odds, but it was wasteful both financially and in killing a living thing. I think back to those days sadly, and how foolish I was.
As others point out, 1 visit to 17f for a few hours is one thing, but days on end, it'll die. Not to mention, a few warm weeks teasing some new growth out then a cold snap, that really does it to them.
I've killed so many trees being optimistic and thinking I could beat the odds, but it was wasteful both financially and in killing a living thing. I think back to those days sadly, and how foolish I was.
As others point out, 1 visit to 17f for a few hours is one thing, but days on end, it'll die. Not to mention, a few warm weeks teasing some new growth out then a cold snap, that really does it to them.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lujan Jaboticaba - 7b in Ground Test
« on: April 17, 2024, 08:20:08 PM »Im in zone 8b/9a and I lost a 12 year old Sabara in 17f freeze. 6 inch diameter trunk, 9ft tall. It was big and protected. Had some more frost hardy jabos I was able to protect better and move the pots but they also were bitten a bit. Folks are right, one hard snap at these lows and jabos are donezo.
Not exactly what I wanted to hear. Would it be possible if I dig it up at the first sign of trouble?
I don't get this. Just leave it in a pot and bring it in.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lujan Jaboticaba - 7b in Ground Test
« on: April 17, 2024, 05:56:41 PM »
I have heard anecdotal success of plinia surviving sub freezing temps, even as low as 17f, but it was not for a very prolonged period (snap frost) and the trees were already large and mature.
My recommendation is they won't have the mass to survive a frost like yours till they're a solid 1" trunk or more.
Anyways, do update us.
My recommendation is they won't have the mass to survive a frost like yours till they're a solid 1" trunk or more.
Anyways, do update us.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Email Function Working
« on: April 17, 2024, 05:26:26 PM »
Thanks mods / admins!
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lujan Jaboticaba - 7b in Ground Test
« on: April 17, 2024, 04:00:12 PM »
I really don't believe the 15f. You will be losing some inches annually, and if it only grows a few inches each year, it'll slowly die back.
It seems you're committed to the cause, so just go for it and update us.
It seems you're committed to the cause, so just go for it and update us.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lujan Jaboticaba - 7b in Ground Test
« on: April 17, 2024, 03:45:28 PM »
Folks in 8a/8b lose almost all the growth from the season off of their Campo Ramons. I know of one in Seattle and one outside on Vancouver Island. Waiting for Spring updates from them.
I don't see the point for 7a / 7b outdoors with no protection. Maybe 50% of the years they'd survive, but that one brutal frost and they're donezo.
I don't see the point for 7a / 7b outdoors with no protection. Maybe 50% of the years they'd survive, but that one brutal frost and they're donezo.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pouteria lucuma
« on: April 17, 2024, 01:35:43 PM »
Visited the two large lucuma trees in SB and one was fruiting heavy, with good development. The other tree of the two, which is about 50% bigger than the other, is just about to flower.
Other tree about to flower
Other tree about to flower
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: P. striatulum (Narrow leaf), P. sp (Micro leaf), P. guajava nana (Dwarf)
« on: April 16, 2024, 03:53:21 PM »They are different in growth habit, and fruit. I have striatulum, I like it, good fruit with stinky guava flavor and soft flesh. It's definitely guajava-esque, but a more robust flavor which I am into. Other people have gotten bad genetics or something and say the fruit tastes bad. I count myself lucky.
The nano-leaf looks like guajava style fruit with some tiny leaves.
The "nana" looks like a dwarf guajava with standard leaves but small port.
So they're all different. Thanks for the clarification, K-Rimes. Do you happen to know if any of these are graft compatible with the typical guava?
With a name like Sir Graftalot, you should be the resource on this one!
I kid. I am finding basically all psidium within a reasonable window of relationship will work with each other. I have been getting guineense onto guajava successfully, which suggests that all of these should be compatible.
I did try striatulum onto guajava last year, which did not take, but I would chalk that up to me making a mistake. I will probably try again this year.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: P. striatulum (Narrow leaf), P. sp (Micro leaf), P. guajava nana (Dwarf)
« on: April 16, 2024, 01:48:34 PM »
They are different in growth habit, and fruit. I have striatulum, I like it, good fruit with stinky guava flavor and soft flesh. It's definitely guajava-esque, but a more robust flavor which I am into. Other people have gotten bad genetics or something and say the fruit tastes bad. I count myself lucky.
The nano-leaf looks like guajava style fruit with some tiny leaves.
The "nana" looks like a dwarf guajava with standard leaves but small port.
The nano-leaf looks like guajava style fruit with some tiny leaves.
The "nana" looks like a dwarf guajava with standard leaves but small port.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Loquat blues in So Cal. Tree not flowering or fruiting
« on: April 16, 2024, 01:45:46 PM »
Very few fruits here in SB county, even on the most reliable and productive trees there are only a scant few racks of loquat on them. Very strange. I hear the same for almost all of SoCal.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Does anyone own this book? Is it worth it?
« on: April 16, 2024, 01:44:42 PM »
I have it in Portuguese, which I also speak so it was an acceptable purchase.
It's a fantastic book with photos of the trees in nature full size, the fruits, leaves, and flowers. It will not give you any advice that is revolutionary to growing the species, but it is an amazing coffee table book that you can use to show people the fruits you're chasing down, or give you inspiration for a new species you want to get for your yard.
It is by far the most I have ever spent on a book, and in the end I think it was worth it. I paid $120 delivered.
It's a fantastic book with photos of the trees in nature full size, the fruits, leaves, and flowers. It will not give you any advice that is revolutionary to growing the species, but it is an amazing coffee table book that you can use to show people the fruits you're chasing down, or give you inspiration for a new species you want to get for your yard.
It is by far the most I have ever spent on a book, and in the end I think it was worth it. I paid $120 delivered.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Drought in the Amazon
« on: April 15, 2024, 04:29:00 PM »Drought and Amazon are two words I would hope to never see in the same sentence.
Frightening.
Rainforests all over the world are in rough shape. The Amazon is but one of them. BC in Canada where I'm originally from is about to enter the worst drought in recorded snow history. Their snowpack is at an all time low, and it is the second year in a row that it is low which will compound this year's issues. My family had to water cedar trees around their property so they didn't die last year... Going to be a doozy this year.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-snowpack-april-2024-drought-river-forecast-centre-1.7169544
Meanwhile, in Santa Barbara, CA we've had the most rain in a 2 year period, breaking our 1951 record.
It's not just hotter, but things are just plain weird, and extreme.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Yangmei (Morella/Myrica rubra) thread
« on: April 15, 2024, 01:06:45 PM »Quote
Are you experimenting on any other rootstocks?
Negative, just californica here.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: PGA (Psidium Growers Association) - thread all about psidiums!
« on: April 14, 2024, 08:03:21 PM »
The only guava I know of with leaves like that, and red interstem, is Cas guava. It's a real looker, whatever it is.
The "caatinga" is definitely of the Guineense complex, rounded leaves. Not veiny.
The "caatinga" is definitely of the Guineense complex, rounded leaves. Not veiny.
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