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I like the taste of LZ better. In my yard, LZ is one of the few trees with a decent crop this year. The anthracnose resistance on this tree is fairly good. Powdery mildew can be a problem but not in my humid rainy area. I am not seeing MBBS yet either. Birds seem to prefer green LZ fruits to most other varieties so it does have higher crop loss from animals.  My mom has a small LZ tree and it also is holding fruit in this terrible year and she did not spray fungicides.  My smaller OS flowered and set fruit but anthracnose wiped out the crop despite weekly alternating copper and azoxystrobin spraying. Only 4 OS fruits remain on my tree.

Those three varieties are all hermaphrodite

Those flowers look male to me. If the tree you have is grafted, it may take additional time for it to produce hermaphrodite flowers or it may have been a male variety so growers can plant a pollinator amongst female trees.  Flowers should have a green ovary in the center of each flower that sticks out and looks like a tiny fruit. What is the variety of your tree?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Irrigation pump question
« on: May 01, 2022, 07:39:08 AM »
You can use two solenoid valves connected to the same control wire so both operate simultaneously. Split the area so each valve controls a distinct area so you will know if one fails. This may also allow you to use smaller diameter pipe.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Irrigation pump question
« on: April 30, 2022, 02:25:27 PM »
If your tank is higher than the pump and output/spray nozzles, I think you need a valve. My pool pump is below my pool and it certainly requires shutting all the manual values to not gush water everywhere.  I believe above ground irrigation pumps rely on check values to prevent water from escaping downward when the water source is below the spray nozzles.  On the line from the tank, install a manual valve, then a solenoid sprinkler valve if the pump will be run on an automated schedule and keep the manual valve open, then the pump.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: How to prune newly grafted Annona?
« on: April 27, 2022, 09:17:02 PM »
You are better off with multiple branches. You can always prune later. You are not out of the woods yet and one can still die back, one could be consumed by bugs, or just snap for various reasons. I had a neighboring tree fall over and snap off these tender branches. A bird could decide your graft is a good perch.

I do not have any experience with atemoya on glabra rootstock. The two illama trees I have purchased from Excalibur that were grafted on glabra never survived long. They sucker like crazy. One just died randomly and the other broke at the graft in a storm. Both were 3+ years in the ground before they died, which is a lot of time to waste.  I believe I remember reading or hearing at a lecture that some individual glabra trees produce better rootstocks than others for grafting sugar apple, atemoya and illama.

I have a dream atemoya on sugar apple that grows in damp soil, in the run-off path of my daily overhead watered potted plants. It is doing fine. I have it planted on a 4-6 inch tall mound because the area only has 2 inches of topsoil.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: After 9 years - Lucs is about to ripen
« on: April 14, 2022, 05:27:18 PM »
Nice! Lots of garcinia action going down in Southwest Ranches!

I found a dropped luc's today. It was fully colored but very hard. It tasted like a lemony store-bought early-picked pineapple. It was good but a bit too sour.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: After 9 years - Lucs is about to ripen
« on: April 13, 2022, 10:46:12 PM »
Achachairu and mangosteen do not seem to get sweeter after picking. I have eaten Achachairu 4 weeks after harvest. The skin gets wrinkles but the flavor remains the same.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: After 9 years - Lucs is about to ripen
« on: April 13, 2022, 04:09:52 PM »
Here is what my fruit's skin looked like. Sometimes, they can still be partially green and be ripe. Sometimes the fruit will be clean and sometimes there will be blemishes. This fruit started soften on one side during yesterday morning's squeeze test. Today, it was a little more uniformly soft.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: After 9 years - Lucs is about to ripen
« on: April 13, 2022, 02:27:40 PM »
I ate my first fruit of this batch today. It was predominantly sweet with a tiny bit of sour, extremely delicious. You just have to wait until it gets a bit softer to what you describe as your desired level of sweetness. The longer you wait, the sour will lessen until it is basically sweet with only a bit of acidity on the skin flesh. I planted a grafted male and a flowering female a few weeks ago. I now have 5 trees in the ground.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: After 9 years - Lucs is about to ripen
« on: March 31, 2022, 08:11:02 AM »
My achachairu is 12ft tall and 12ft wide. I bought it from a nursery in Puerto Rico in 2013. It was probably 2ft tall. I grew it in a pot for a while and it quickly got to 5-6ft tall. It struggled after I planted it in the ground.  I live next to a 40 acre horse park that is mostly open grass. There is often a strong wind from the east. I foolishly planted the achachairu where it would get a direct hit from this wind. Every flush, the new leaves would get shredded by the wind. I should have done something to shield it. Eventually, some of the surrounding trees I planted grew and it got dense enough to provide protection for itself on the side opposite from the park. Now, when I plant a garcinia, I throw up a structure to hang shade cloth to block the wind so the tree can get established.  Others that planted achachairu around the same time fruited 3+ years earlier.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: After 9 years - Lucs is about to ripen
« on: March 30, 2022, 09:11:18 PM »
Maybe your tree will shift to being partially hermaphroditic. My trees have never fruited without hand pollination to my knowledge. I guess it is possible that they self-fruited during one of the times I hand pollinated.  This time I only pollinated the west sides of my trees once to see if things had changed but I only got fruit on the side I pollinated.  I did find fruit this week on an old stunted grafted tree that I did not pollinate. The tree was grafted in 2012 or 2013 with budwood from Raul by a friend. It is less than 4 ft tall.

I also have some "sweetie" and "sharpie" trees grafted 5 years ago that are barely 2 ft tall and just as wide that are flowering.

I have a few trees that are 9 years old that have not fruited yet. Patience is key in this hobby. I have an achachairu that is fruiting for the first time this year that is probably 11 years old and two others the same age that have not fruited.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: After 9 years - Lucs is about to ripen
« on: March 30, 2022, 07:57:02 PM »
Touch is the best indicator. Squeeze the fruit gently. Try it now and it will probably feel fairly hard. It will soften a tiny bit and it will still be sour. At the next stage, there should be some give, like the skin could give way but is still medium firm under the skin. This is the stage that is strongly flavored, balanced between sour and sweet. This is the stage I prefer. A fully yellow fruit with minor blemishing will be very sweet and mildly flavored. The skin has edible flesh so be sure to scrap it with a spoon.

The last season, the tree decided for me. The fruits mostly fell from the tree before I picked them. This worked out because they were ripened to the level I enjoy the most. Sometimes the fruit holds on the tree too long and goes to what I consider overripe.

I have a few that are slightly behind your fruit.

With overhead watering, pressure treated lumber will not last 10 years, more like 5. The price of lumber is ridiculous these days and today's pressure treated lumber getting wet daily does not last. Maybe painting it would allow it to last longer. Fresh pt lumber has too much moisture and paint may not bond well.  Tension wire is the way to go. Maybe a fencing contractor or metal recycler would have used galvanized fencing top rails.

My hoop house is approximately 60 by 24 and I have 6 wobblers for overhead. I also use the mini wobblers in another area. Wobblers are the least likely to get clogged and do not get stuck like the rotating heads. 4ft rolls of hardware cloth and cinder blocks are the low cost option. I don't know what a plastic pallet costs but plastic always seems to be the more expensive material whenever I price it relatively to others.

I think that getting a decent yield requires planting the seed within 2-5 days from removal from the fruit, similar to mangosteen.
yeah I have been trying to get some cherapu plants or seeds for years but they are never available.  Oscar/Fruitlovers had seeds once but I couldn't get any to germinate.

I will try to source some female scions as a backup plan. With Luc's, I managed to beat the odds and am 5 for 5 female. I am not sure how well any other species will work for a rootstock long term.  I have some seashore mangosteen, madruno, achachairu, and Luc's in 3 gals. I have not had much luck with grafting unless I graft to the central leader and cut back the rootstock. Grafts take but the growth is super slow or non-existent after a push or two and the scion gets overtaken by the rootstock. 

I could mail you some female flowers and it would probably work. I wonder if you could store/preserve the pollen and for how long it'd be viable. Edit: nevermind, morning brain fog. You'll need female flowers to be pollinated not male to be pollinated

Lemon drop for garcinia and rain forest plum for Eugenia. Both fruit quick. RFP is very good and fruits two or more times per year.

E. Selloi has made my eyes tear from being too sour. The fruit was orange and on the ground. Normally, they are just overly sour, but in an unpleasant way. Cas guava or garcinia xanthochymus can pack the same sour punch but are more enjoyable. I am not sure the forget about them and eat them a few days later trick will work here with high humidity.

Pitomba would be my choice after RFP.

My second choice for garcinia is Luc's.  It will take longer to fruit and you need male and female but fruits are much better and larger than lemon drop. Luc's takes an 4 - 7 years to flower from seed.  Buy a few 3 or 7 gal trees. Clip the central leader and it will usually send out two new leaders. Graft the new leaders, one with male and the other female. Even with grafting, it may take 3+ years

Cherapu has been expensive to source and challenging to grow. All the seeds I have purchased have been trash. I just lost a 6 year old tree to wind exposure.  One of my trees flowered for the first time a few weeks ago at 8 or 9 years old. Now I need another tree to be female and flower at the same time.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Annona Pests
« on: March 10, 2022, 04:48:57 PM »
In the US, Annona reticulata = custard-apple. Annona squamosa = sugar-apple.

In two months, the cuban beetles will be out chomping annona new leaves. The timing coincides with Annona reticulata re-foliation. The beetles can consume all the new leaves just as they emerge from the bud. If that happens more than once, a small to medium sized tree can die.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: SENT MESSAGES NOT GETTING SAVED
« on: February 26, 2022, 04:04:39 PM »
Go to your inbox and click the Messages button. Click Sent Items

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: SENT MESSAGES NOT GETTING SAVED
« on: February 26, 2022, 01:13:14 PM »
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Major mango bloom
« on: February 23, 2022, 05:19:48 PM »
Yes, the cold weather we had did the trick and the second bloom is on in my yard. I had a good first bloom. Frequent rain, high humidity, morning fog, and no spraying allowed anthracnose to thrive on the first bloom with most trees having no fruit set. The little fruit set that remains is heavily scarred.  Many trees are now pushing out a second bloom, pushing 3 - 5 blooms around the burned-out husk of the first single bloom still attached to the end of the branches.  I am spraying this time around, but conditions continue to be favorable for anthracnose.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Trying to ID Cuban Fruit From Description
« on: February 21, 2022, 12:01:50 PM »
Yes, I have a jaco beach caimito with green fruits this size. I have seen a purple fruiting tree with large fruit as well. A properly ripened fruit can taste like a tres leches desert. I will be removing the tree since I do not really like the fruit. Most years, the fruit is not ready until mango season so it gets ignored.

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