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Thanks I remember now I find these for free A breakfast diner throws these out
(maybe try )

rectangle plastic commercial food pans.

I also saw one in a dumpster when I had a very strange dream of a house
 I went over by that house that is how I remember where I find these..
(one was  in there, & also maybe save $50 of other large rubber bins I've needed)


I was Initially going to say what about dollar store cat liter box
not sure how toxic these plastics are of cat liter box (*but should have plastic code labeled )

(edit the ones I find are thick black  plastic like dog food bowls , but rectangular  maybe I should sell them)
 

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I was actually trying to learn more of another plant   (clade grouping or whatever),
but any better explanation of this CLADE Stuff  is appreciated

(see

Sapranthus palanga


The predominantly Asian tribe Miliuseae (Annonaceae) includes over 37 Neotropical species that are mainly distributed across Mesoamerica, from southern Mexico to northern Colombia. The tremendous ecological and morphological diversity of this clade, including ramiflory, cauliflory, flagelliflory, and clonality, suggests adaptive radiation. Despite the spectacular phenotypic divergence of this clade, little is known about its phylogenetic and evolutionary history. In this study we used a nuclear DNA marker and seven chloroplast markers, and maximum parsimony, maximum likelihood and Bayesian inference methods to reconstruct a comprehensive time-calibrated phylogeny of tribe Miliuseae, especially focusing on the Desmopsis-Stenanona clade. We also perform ancestral area reconstructions to infer the biogeographic history of this group. Finally, we use ecological niche modeling, lineage distribution models, and niche overlap tests to assess whether geographic isolation and ecological specialization influenced the diversification of lineages within this clade. We reconstructed a monophyletic Miliuseae that is divided into two strongly supported clades: (i) a Sapranthus-Tridimeris clade and (ii) a Desmopsis-Stenanona clade. The colonization of the Neotropics and subsequent diversification of Neotropical Miliuseae seems to have been associated with the expansion of the boreotropical forests during the late Eocene and their subsequent fragmentation and southern displacement. Further speciation within Neotropical Miliuseae out of the Maya block seems to have occurred during the last 15 million years. Lastly, the geographic structuring of major lineages of the Desmopsis-Stenanona clade seems to have followed a climatic gradient, supporting the hypothesis that morphological differentiation between closely related species resulted from both long-term isolation between geographic ranges and adaptation to environmental conditions.







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I was  looking at this from a search
Anything come oif this

your post was last year around this time (May 3rd)

Did you ever even try a little taste ?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: are Bael seeds recalcitrant?
« on: May 17, 2022, 11:40:54 PM »
Oh I hope to know how they grow .

I still have a bunch of seeds from fruit, and spice park

I could of sprouted, but after my trip last year I wanted to rest

Next time I will bring ziplock bags already a head of time

(also the pollen I harvested (mulberry ) was thrown onto the elevated (EL) train tracks I believe from my fanny pack hahha)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: are Bael seeds recalcitrant?
« on: May 17, 2022, 11:35:56 PM »
Looks like your back already

I looked to see if it is Orthodox or recalcitrant

I suppose they are intermediate

( I do not want to get off topic much
, but I hope your trip was nice

What was Fruit, and spice park like during this time of year ?
anything flowering ?

he present paper deals with the storage of freshly collected seeds of Aegle marmelos (L) correa. The effect
of two storage conditions viz; open and closed under five temperature regimes -100,0 0, 100, 150C and ambient temperature
were observed. The initial germination and moisture content of seeds were 62.50% and 15.1% respectively.
Among all the storage conditions, seeds stored at room temperature showed rapid decline of moisture content.
Maximum seed moisture retention was found with storage in open and closed conditions at 10oC, after 32 months of
storage, showed maximum germination of 32.25% and 39.50% respectively. The result envisaged that the seeds of the
species can be stored at low temperature with seed moisture content below 10% for longer period
. Further the results
of the present study clearly indicate that the seeds of Aegle marmelos exhibit the intermediate storage physiology.

(note Important but copied from here )
http://floraandfona.org.in/Uploaded%20Pdf/221/03-10.pdf

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is this the edible aloe vera?
« on: May 09, 2022, 11:51:14 PM »
Oops sorry

I am a lititle worried without listening to the band Gwar is this safe to eat these Aloes

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is this the edible aloe vera?
« on: May 09, 2022, 11:44:56 PM »
Hey hey hey
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I do too want to see what to do
I have  a paranoia of what to eat,  rub on me, or of coarse rub off me
A few stranglers of ;
of coarse I hope they dissolve


Hey Bovine those Milking of the cows keep you occupied
For me they do (maybe your not passionate ) The man, & the Milkier


What was I talking about Oh That is right
For me I cannot see the bitterness in aloe
genes of another is genes of down right bastard betrayer or a partner forever
For opposites attract
One of greatness
 another of Glory
 put together the price of aloe vera
I'll take a risk of the falsified juice of the insides !!!!

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Even squirrels will dig up newly planted trees out side
they think it's a Bulb or food they dug

You better put down cayenne pepper in soil

Also get a spray bottle  make a spray with bitter stuff like tea for plants leaves
(my sister just bought some 10 bucks (bitter spray also contained citrus )

 could of spent a dollar on spray bottle, and a dollar on crappy tea at store
(or used outside bitter stuff with high tannin which I have already)


I Love my cats, but they eat my plants as well
(I was going to bobby trap out side plant with pull string fire works
 dog or rabbit  ate expensive plant as well when I was younger) -- (no this would not hurt him.)


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Sorry for long winded opinion


So what is your interest
#1  any crossing?

#2 Improving a existing  species by cultivars ?

#3 going out side the species Annona x rollinia (or attempting  -- best to try in Apple of  Rosaceae family)


Hey if the plant takes a male , and female to produce (dioecious )
 any seed you plant will be a cross breed  ( open pollinated .)

(people do that with female grapes (well I have some seeds at least from breeder )

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depends on what peoples definition of hybrid is as opposed to crossbreeds
pawpaw cross breeds within Asimina triloba  x asimina triloba

this is just what I call plants cross breed when same species

I am not the best with all terminology

intraspecific hybridization like a horse is Equus with a Donkey also Equus (but different species (makes sterile offspring or mule )



I know some people call crossing 2 species of the same pawpaw cultivar
 (asimina triloba x asimina triloba a hybrid, but me personally I prefer crossbreed)
on the other hand a Pawpaw Asimina triloba x Asimina parviflora
(I would call intraspecific hybridization or just Hybrid )

Like the Horse x donkey is listed  -- (but a horse, and horse I would not say hybrid some people do though with plants)

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depends on what peoples definition of hybrid is as opposed to crossbreeds
pawpaw cross breeds within Asimina triloba  x asimina triloba

also of if you mean Annona species or
 Annonaceae family species
or Anonna species with other species (like Annona with Rollinia ) intergeneric hybrid (of  species)
but not certain how usual for  species  to cross genera in that  family rare from so far of what I read online.?



I do not have flowering florida asimina species
there could be crosses or not if unsuccessful pollination  ,
 but no way to protect the seeds yet.


Just kidding on top secret
but not a Annona species
I just took a hour getting the rose / apple family pollen , but it was raining last night.

Juneberry (or Alelanchier ) is a berry that taste like blueberry
there have been natural crosses out west known of for 100 years with mountain ash ( sorbus )  (rowen berry in Europe)

x amelasorbus  (The x in front of hybrid tells it is a hybrid of two different genera of plants
 (a + in between is a graft hybrid (like in a chimera  citrus)

I wonder if Annona has any  unknown chimera (or also known as  graft hybrids .)
I've looked but have not found
(maybe some hybrids or other strange stuff exist right in front of peoples faces it appears that even happens in front of researches ,
 but that's another topic. )




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At least I hope that taxi Driver enjoyed his fruit ,
 and the tree's I tore out of pit in September  did good for him. (it was also more than a $120 fare)

And here I am, desperately wanting to try a paw paw after reading all the descriptions (too warm to grow here) lol  Always some holy grail out there to entice us 😁

You posted at same time

(9A zone in florida people in Gainsville grew pawpaw
there is a Nursery
In CA pawpaw grows in hotter zones I hear , but for some reason not FL.

Could it be the soil even the late Jerry Lehman which breed them added Sulfur in midwest
In Florida I would add Sulfur (it's cheap) maybe raised mounds in mulch

How High is the PH probably very alkaline

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When I was in high school I was obsessed with trying to grow orchids on trees here in SoCal.  I failed so much but succeeded just enough to keep trying.  Several years later, after I had already figured out the trick, I read in an orchid society magazine that a guy just a half hour from where I had lived in high school had some trees covered in orchids. 

Here you are in high school obsessed with your own planty challenge but you've got this forum, youtube, instagram and countless other sites with so much useful information. 

Basically I had to walk to school 10 miles uphill both ways through 10 feet of snow...  :o

In Highschool I was reading about plants , and growing
So about Youtube better to just put it in transcript ,
 I' am not going to watch a hour video when I could of read it in 10 or 15.
(transcript option  is the 3 little dots , some video's do not have it )

Saying that
sometimes some things are best to see someone do it ..

(We all are Human I even almost made a big mistake seeing a idea for storing tree's in homemade pots
I read a nursery trade it was a long long read,
and ended up healing over in mound of soil the 1 hundred  4 foot pawpaw tree's
-- this is one example how youtube can be bad) ----- (edit the healing over my way was write you tube wrong)
but to be honest I already had a pit dug it was deep
 (Instead of mound my tree's drowned in the pit , and some other reasons A excited Guatemala taxi driver )

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the brand is Maccourt, I think this is it:

https://maccourt.com/product-category/plantainers/
What is the Price of each at store ?
Brian I clicked on the product but no price
(no wonder everyone shops at Amazon Nowadays  stupid web sites no longer  have any prices!)

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Some relatives from the north tell me that it makes excellent jam and that some trees have fruit that is paletable enough to eat out of hand.

Your right the fruit can be good if I can know what I have been eating

I mean I know they are a cherry so If I am scrolling with a lot of different types I try not to put to much thought into it.

Around here I have my Neighbors , one in the alley looks different that birds grew  ,
 and one new small one close by the city just planted which fruits later .


I should get a paper with a grid on it, and keep track
I forget which is which, and what I liked of what tree just by being  a casual snack


Maybe something that looks like this


Cherry ---- 
Plum
apple

 month date time year
location
flavor
texture (juicy, mealy, solid, firm)
Flavor after storage

(I have made a grid like that for long bicycle touring makes finding stuff faster
and if I move anything quickly  I can just abbreviate in the grid (ie. front pocket FP  -- side pocket SP.)
especially if have to leave quickly because the cops are creeping! )


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That is short lived  I seen it  growing  about 5 feet to maybe 7 but mostly small (maybe not even 7 feet)
but I suppose from images on above link it gets bigger (I swore a native IL. book I have said different as well as what I've seen)

(see next post for more about it growing)


Interesting I knew a lady that lived in the woods named Barb in Elgin IL. (by Dundee bridge boarder )
had a tent to shower in it looked like a phone booth
heating in Winter with propane
(tent had a kitchen floor raised on pallets with insulation like carpet,
so the ground would not cause cooling in  the tents )

Had cats to warn her of visitors

Also had a natural spring

She watched the forest grow through stages of death of large tree's, and rebirth
this is where I saw the smaller cherries

I am sure we have Prunus pensylvanica
That grows 5 6  feet, and dies in that stage around here at least

This is what I remember now.

Sadly they tore the bridge down to remake, and diverted the natural spring She moved away.


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Galatians Thanks I mistaken Prunus virginiana , and P. serotina
I blame quickly google images  (I should of did a image search on  Cal Photos )
Quickly though the tree could get 25 feet


https://www.illinoiswildflowers.info/trees/plants/chokecherry.html 
https://gobotany.nativeplanttrust.org/search/?q=prunus


 Pin cherry Prunus pensylvanica that is a small one
https://gobotany.nativeplanttrust.org/species/prunus/pensylvanica/


That is short lived  I seen it  growing  about 5 feet to maybe 7 but mostly small (maybe not even 7 feet)
but I suppose from images on above link it gets bigger (I swore a native IL. book I have said different as well as what I've seen)

(see next post for more about it growing)


When I said The flavor is not as good I mean depends on what you use it for.

I picked some, but have not explored culinary as much as I liked
(hence as keeping them to long they lose all there acid, but store long also they can taste good .)
 (and I forgot the  non alcohol experiment drink I made)

Prunus pensylvanica ó pin cherry


But dang Prunus Pumelia (drawf is tiny like a foot or so tall)

They say not graft compatible
I Wonder if that is long term, and that could be used for speeding up flowering

(there are other mutant dwarf prunus from cultivated finds  though I think named under nana (for small)

(I may have info some place saved on the mutant (there is a technical term for it as well -- there are tiny grapes too.)


I may sell seeds eventually though , and nursery plants
Since I do not have a web site up or even know how to do that
 not very motivated to take time finding info , and trying to write anything up on it.
(to make traffic to web site for selling seeds)




 

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see this post, and maybe more from Him (as well as other members)

Also try this (it was on thread)
 "Southern Grape Growers" group on facebook -

 https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=15206.msg435418#msg435418



When I said to add sugar, and dillute the juice is still very good dilluted


Tony in cc

Neato of  the kiwi info
Might do well in New Orleans LA.

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I know some varieties of muscadines need more chill in Winter than even North Florida gets in order to crop well. My area is probably borderline for even the lower chill varieties.  I saw a bunch of wild plants last year at the Lee county free mulch site on Pine Island and some others in Punta Gorda and Cape Coral on vacant lots. Never seen fruit on any local wild plants though. Maybe this year they will fruit after the relatively cold Winter.
 If you want to try fuzzy kiwi, Vincent and Tomuri are the pair to try in South Florida, since they only need about 100 hours of chill. There are others varieties than need up to 800 chill hours. Kiwi vines get really thick and heavy, I saw one years ago in South Carolina that was so big the owner supported it with 6x6 posts over an area the size of a baseball infield. Forget fuzzy kiwis unless you have acreage. They grow like Jack's magic beanstalk.

In the tropics like Africa , and such they spray urea or pee to defoliate to force vines to go dormant

This is large scale viticulture , but you could do this by hand .

you would not want to water these during this period

There is a few things I know about it, and have saved, but as of today do not have the time to go digging for it
maybe in a couple days I will try.

you may want to contact rainn man  here or read his posts  as well.
there are also some breeder web sites (but not sure if they want much internet traffic.)

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One native is Vitis shuttleworthii (spelling)

These will be sour , and the size of a pea

I am not familiar with that exact species , but understand the description


These are best to take about 10 pounds of grapes dillute with a gallon or 3 of water, and add sugar
I can do that with the native ones up North here .

As for Kiwi it is related to bitter sweet (in Chicago region to down south)  that is poison
(or so they say, but could divert birds from other crops) , (it diverged from actindia genus , and is in another genus)
but another species is related in Mexico (and elsewhere in asia  -- Saurauia genus
(I am sure kiwi is tropical as well but if a plant collector you could find seeds I was just looking)

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Yes I understand mustard grows so much faster so you get more generations

At least for the apple family (Rosaceae)
With something like grafting pear onto a small Aronia bush to make it flower first year I hope I can speed breeding up it a little.


(just Gathered Juneberry pollen last night  took a hour processing  (Amelanchier )
Nature hybrids exist in western USA (juneberry, and mountain ash ---  x amelasorbus ) as well as Europe)


I am trying to collect some species as well (top secret, )
just be nice getting pollen instead of having to wait for them to bear ,
 and mostly instead of slowing down the  process of breeding.

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Oh I was surprised it was shooting up red branches early That must be normal.

I was not thinking of pollen to buy
I have been  thinking of pollen to buy or sell of species with good characteristics


If flowering Could be a feature to give pollen to someone for a fast flowering characteristic

there is a guy that spend 15 years breeding Mustard for fast flowering rapid life cycle 35 to 40 days from seed to seed.

(here is a random link , but read about it a while back -- I may have more on it)


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Sam  The Wisconsin Fast PlantTM is a trademark name for a species of plant called Brassica rapa. Dr. Paul H. Williams, plant pathologist at the University of Wisconsin at Madison, spent 15 years developing rapid-cycling versions of six species of Brassica. Selective breeding enabled Dr. Williams to produce Wisconsin Fast Plants from the tremendous resource of Brassicas all over the world (both wild and domesticated). Bred for their small size and rapid life cycle (35 to 40 days, seed-to-seed), Wisconsin Fast Plants can reproduce at high densities under florescent lighting and are now being used for research and classroom teaching in schools and universities all over the globe. Many scientists are using Wisconsin Fast Plants as model plants for research in genetics, molecular biology, plant breeding, cell biology, and physiology. Van Aken Governorís Island

http://www2.lv.psu.edu/jxm57/irp/brassica.html

I do not know mangoes so asked
Guess those red branches do not mean much

I had a pawpaw (Annonaceae)  set out branches first year, grew fast too
and another with short internods between each leaf (a sign of a precocious seedling)

for me these are good traits ,
but do not know mangoes so wanted to ask.

Just in case I may just dump this in Florida some place when I go there instead of killing it or keeping as house plant.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Horticultural Molasses
« on: May 02, 2022, 06:24:29 PM »
$25 bucks 50 pounds pure molasses

(some places have animal feed mixed in)
It used to be cheaper then this

https://www.truevalue.com/dried-molasses-50-lb

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Horticultural Molasses
« on: May 02, 2022, 06:18:29 PM »
I've always been told to buy the 50 lb bags at feed store for cheap, and spread it in soil in fall.

I am sure this is molasses from beet sugar as it's more bitter , and not sold for baking stuff in grocery stores .

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so is it normal for a 1 month old mango to branch like that?

I do not have experience with mango

Now I know when a Annona or other species like pawpaw has leaves close on the internodes of the stem it would be precocious as a seedling

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These are sour the berry is pure juice no fiber , but in my opinion not as good as sour cherry.

The fruit after some time becomes    not sour
 it loses it sourness even if stored after being picked for some time
(maybe in 2, or  3 weeks , but have not kept perfect records )


The wood on the other hand is very nice (see link it's P. serotina black cherry)

you could also buy this, and if did not like it graft on it
Black cherry is good


I like to forge , and have different opinions then others would have
to the typical person  I do not think it is the best.


https://www.wood-database.com/black-cherry/



I can say in Europe They tried starting a lumber industry growing US native cherry,
but I CANNOT REMEMBER what part (maybe England)
It did not go that well the wood is better then then the native cherry wood over there
They also tried cross breeding it with there native cherry for survival  ,
 I think I kept dying (maybe canker), but I read that like 10 years ago
it could of been the environment.

(I almost deleted my entire post)
If any of this for wood interests you you could google it for lumber in Europe 




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