The Tropical Fruit Forum

I was actually trying to learn more of another plant   (clade grouping or whatever),
but any better explanation of this CLADE Stuff  is appreciated

(see

Sapranthus palanga


The predominantly Asian tribe Miliuseae (Annonaceae) includes over 37 Neotropical species that are mainly distributed across Mesoamerica, from southern Mexico to northern Colombia. The tremendous ecological and morphological diversity of this clade, including ramiflory, cauliflory, flagelliflory, and clonality, suggests adaptive radiation. Despite the spectacular phenotypic divergence of this clade, little is known about its phylogenetic and evolutionary history. In this study we used a nuclear DNA marker and seven chloroplast markers, and maximum parsimony, maximum likelihood and Bayesian inference methods to reconstruct a comprehensive time-calibrated phylogeny of tribe Miliuseae, especially focusing on the Desmopsis-Stenanona clade. We also perform ancestral area reconstructions to infer the biogeographic history of this group. Finally, we use ecological niche modeling, lineage distribution models, and niche overlap tests to assess whether geographic isolation and ecological specialization influenced the diversification of lineages within this clade. We reconstructed a monophyletic Miliuseae that is divided into two strongly supported clades: (i) a Sapranthus-Tridimeris clade and (ii) a Desmopsis-Stenanona clade. The colonization of the Neotropics and subsequent diversification of Neotropical Miliuseae seems to have been associated with the expansion of the boreotropical forests during the late Eocene and their subsequent fragmentation and southern displacement. Further speciation within Neotropical Miliuseae out of the Maya block seems to have occurred during the last 15 million years. Lastly, the geographic structuring of major lineages of the Desmopsis-Stenanona clade seems to have followed a climatic gradient, supporting the hypothesis that morphological differentiation between closely related species resulted from both long-term isolation between geographic ranges and adaptation to environmental conditions.

Oh I hope to know how they grow .

I still have a bunch of seeds from fruit, and spice park

I could of sprouted, but after my trip last year I wanted to rest

Next time I will bring ziplock bags already a head of time

(also the pollen I harvested (mulberry ) was thrown onto the elevated (EL) train tracks I believe from my fanny pack hahha)

Oops sorry

I am a lititle worried without listening to the band Gwar is this safe to eat these Aloes

Even squirrels will dig up newly planted trees out side
they think it's a Bulb or food they dug

You better put down cayenne pepper in soil

Also get a spray bottle  make a spray with bitter stuff like tea for plants leaves
(my sister just bought some 10 bucks (bitter spray also contained citrus )

 could of spent a dollar on spray bottle, and a dollar on crappy tea at store
(or used outside bitter stuff with high tannin which I have already)


I Love my cats, but they eat my plants as well
(I was going to bobby trap out side plant with pull string fire works
 dog or rabbit  ate expensive plant as well when I was younger) -- (no this would not hurt him.)

depends on what peoples definition of hybrid is as opposed to crossbreeds
pawpaw cross breeds within Asimina triloba  x asimina triloba

this is just what I call plants cross breed when same species

I am not the best with all terminology

intraspecific hybridization like a horse is Equus with a Donkey also Equus (but different species (makes sterile offspring or mule )



I know some people call crossing 2 species of the same pawpaw cultivar
 (asimina triloba x asimina triloba a hybrid, but me personally I prefer crossbreed)
on the other hand a Pawpaw Asimina triloba x Asimina parviflora
(I would call intraspecific hybridization or just Hybrid )

Like the Horse x donkey is listed  -- (but a horse, and horse I would not say hybrid some people do though with plants)

At least I hope that taxi Driver enjoyed his fruit ,
 and the tree's I tore out of pit in September  did good for him. (it was also more than a $120 fare)

And here I am, desperately wanting to try a paw paw after reading all the descriptions (too warm to grow here) lol  Always some holy grail out there to entice us 😁

You posted at same time

(9A zone in florida people in Gainsville grew pawpaw
there is a Nursery
In CA pawpaw grows in hotter zones I hear , but for some reason not FL.

Could it be the soil even the late Jerry Lehman which breed them added Sulfur in midwest
In Florida I would add Sulfur (it's cheap) maybe raised mounds in mulch

How High is the PH probably very alkaline

the brand is Maccourt, I think this is it:

https://maccourt.com/product-category/plantainers/

What is the Price of each at store ?
Brian I clicked on the product but no price
(no wonder everyone shops at Amazon Nowadays  stupid web sites no longer  have any prices!)

Galatians Thanks I mistaken Prunus virginiana , and P. serotina
I blame quickly google images  (I should of did a image search on  Cal Photos )
Quickly though the tree could get 25 feet


https://www.illinoiswildflowers.info/trees/plants/chokecherry.html 
https://gobotany.nativeplanttrust.org/search/?q=prunus


 Pin cherry Prunus pensylvanica that is a small one
https://gobotany.nativeplanttrust.org/species/prunus/pensylvanica/


That is short lived  I seen it  growing  about 5 feet to maybe 7 but mostly small (maybe not even 7 feet)
but I suppose from images on above link it gets bigger (I swore a native IL. book I have said different as well as what I've seen)

(see next post for more about it growing)


When I said The flavor is not as good I mean depends on what you use it for.

I picked some, but have not explored culinary as much as I liked
(hence as keeping them to long they lose all there acid, but store long also they can taste good .)
 (and I forgot the  non alcohol experiment drink I made)

Prunus pensylvanica — pin cherry


But dang Prunus Pumelia (drawf is tiny like a foot or so tall)

They say not graft compatible
I Wonder if that is long term, and that could be used for speeding up flowering

(there are other mutant dwarf prunus from cultivated finds  though I think named under nana (for small)

(I may have info some place saved on the mutant (there is a technical term for it as well -- there are tiny grapes too.)


I may sell seeds eventually though , and nursery plants
Since I do not have a web site up or even know how to do that
 not very motivated to take time finding info , and trying to write anything up on it.
(to make traffic to web site for selling seeds)




 

I know some varieties of muscadines need more chill in Winter than even North Florida gets in order to crop well. My area is probably borderline for even the lower chill varieties.  I saw a bunch of wild plants last year at the Lee county free mulch site on Pine Island and some others in Punta Gorda and Cape Coral on vacant lots. Never seen fruit on any local wild plants though. Maybe this year they will fruit after the relatively cold Winter.
 If you want to try fuzzy kiwi, Vincent and Tomuri are the pair to try in South Florida, since they only need about 100 hours of chill. There are others varieties than need up to 800 chill hours. Kiwi vines get really thick and heavy, I saw one years ago in South Carolina that was so big the owner supported it with 6x6 posts over an area the size of a baseball infield. Forget fuzzy kiwis unless you have acreage. They grow like Jack's magic beanstalk.

In the tropics like Africa , and such they spray urea or pee to defoliate to force vines to go dormant

This is large scale viticulture , but you could do this by hand .

you would not want to water these during this period

There is a few things I know about it, and have saved, but as of today do not have the time to go digging for it
maybe in a couple days I will try.

you may want to contact rainn man  here or read his posts  as well.
there are also some breeder web sites (but not sure if they want much internet traffic.)

Yes I understand mustard grows so much faster so you get more generations

At least for the apple family (Rosaceae)
With something like grafting pear onto a small Aronia bush to make it flower first year I hope I can speed breeding up it a little.


(just Gathered Juneberry pollen last night  took a hour processing  (Amelanchier )
Nature hybrids exist in western USA (juneberry, and mountain ash ---  x amelasorbus ) as well as Europe)


I am trying to collect some species as well (top secret, )
just be nice getting pollen instead of having to wait for them to bear ,
 and mostly instead of slowing down the  process of breeding.

$25 bucks 50 pounds pure molasses

(some places have animal feed mixed in)
It used to be cheaper then this

https://www.truevalue.com/dried-molasses-50-lb

so is it normal for a 1 month old mango to branch like that?

I do not have experience with mango

Now I know when a Annona or other species like pawpaw has leaves close on the internodes of the stem it would be precocious as a seedling