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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Forcing mango to branch out
« on: September 17, 2023, 07:57:15 AM »
If you pinch off that single branching growth, chances are that the tree will respond with multiple branches.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pulasan in Thailand
« on: September 11, 2023, 06:35:33 PM »
Living in Thailand.  The farmers wouldn't even consider shipping outside of the country.  The issues here would be enormous, let alone trying to get fruit into the US.  Just not possible unfortunately.  This would be many years down the road.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pulasan in Thailand
« on: September 11, 2023, 07:03:55 AM »
Farms in Thailand.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Raw Sugar mango??
« on: September 10, 2023, 08:02:43 PM »
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D  Yeah...buddy....I'm betting that's what he has too!!!  LOL!!!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Raw Sugar mango??
« on: September 10, 2023, 07:00:01 AM »
Anybody familiar with this Zill selection?  A buddy has this, but I cannot find any info on this.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: The “ Coffin “ Grafting Method ?
« on: September 07, 2023, 01:31:56 AM »
Similar to how I've been doing my durian grafts.  I take the bark layer off like doing a bud/patch graft and then do an approach graft with the seedling tree.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Foreign mango familiarity
« on: September 01, 2023, 09:05:49 PM »
Hey Eggo dude!  How ya been?  I brought:  Creme Brulee, Lemon Meringue, Fruit Punch, M4.  I also brought a bunch of cuttings of other varieties that I grafted onto some large seedling trees after arrival.  All were pushing growth just fine and then I made a newbie mistake.  Got impatient and tossed some fertilizer on them and moved them into more sun.  All a little too soon and the fertilizer turned out to be a lot hotter than I anticipated.  Lost every single one, must have been 8-10, except for a sugarloaf.  The graft was failing, but the scion still had some juice left.  I was able to successfully graft it onto another seedling.  About a month ago, the Creme Brulee just up and died on me.  No idea why, but sure does piss me off.  The M4 and Sugarloaf are doing fantastic.  The Lemon Meringue and Fruit Punch seem to be struggling for some reason.  Going to try and get a bunch more sent over in a few months.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Very young durian grafting
« on: September 01, 2023, 07:54:38 AM »
Yeah, I cringe every time I watch one of these vids.  They do another method called hypocotyl grafting as seen in the first pic.  Pretty wild.  Sometimes they put in multiple scions too.

I've been doing very well with the durian grafting, whereas my mango grafting has sucked! I've been doing my approach grafts for the multiple rootstock grafts differently.  I remove a strip of bark only from the parent tree and then making a normal cut on the seedling.  Nothing to match up and I've had high success this way.  I've tried doing the grafts like most do in the videos...decapitating the seedlings and then doing an approach graft sticking the top of the seedling under a flap of bark.  Not being the most handy and coordinated fella on the planet, I found this method very awkward to with more than one seedling.  I was doing them much lower than you see in the vids and that made the bending and holding in place much more difficult.  Example in last pic.  I did three grafts for each tree.  Of the six, two ended up failing on the same tree.  I replaced them with bark removal approach and both took.  I've been doing this for all the rest now.  I understand that I'm not the first to do this method.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Happy durians for a change
« on: September 01, 2023, 07:20:28 AM »
Mike...not sure if you've kept up with any of my madness for the past year, but the wait was necessary.  Lots of soil amendments and mound building.  Loads of fun.

Yes, one of them is Kradum.  The other they call Grandma Prang...supposedly another small-fruited variety.  These are both old-time varieties that are really good, but just not hyped like the others.
All depends upon whether a couple other varieties are obtained.  The grandma prang may end up grafted onto a new one.  I liked the kradum over anything else we had at the markets.  I'm trying to find an orange-fleshed graveolens, but it is proving impossible to find here in Thailand.  You know someone is growing it...just got to find them!  The other one I do have a shot at getting is the Rainbow durian...or Pelangi.  The guy brought it back from Malaysia bare rooted and is waiting for it to recover completely.  The only tree to survive out of the four he brought back.  If I do get it, I will graft the monthongs onto this one.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Happy durians for a change
« on: August 30, 2023, 06:24:56 PM »
Thanks!  Lots of dried, uncured manure in the mounds.  Have to wait until it composts well.  This has been a year-long project.  Patience has been key, but something I greatly lack.  Believe me, I want them planted!  LOL!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Very young durian grafting
« on: August 30, 2023, 08:30:05 AM »
This is a great video on grafting very very young durian.  I cannot understand what the guy is saying, but you can easily infer. 

It is also a good example showing how tough these young seedlings are and how rough they are treated, including having nearly all of their roots removed.  Yet they thrive.  If anyone knows why they remove so much of the roots, please explain.  So if you have a bunch of seedlings to experiment with and access to fresh scions, this would be a great experiment to perform.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Happy durians for a change
« on: August 29, 2023, 07:57:13 AM »
Believe it or not, it has been terribly dry here with humidity steadily under 50%.  My durians and pulasan have not been happy at all.  Lots of crisp edges on the leaves.  I upped the spraying and watering, even soaking the grass and ground around the trees hoping to raise the humidity around them.  Seemed to have helped along with some rains finally settling in.  The trees were always putting out some new growth, but not like this.  Hoping to get them into the mounds next month sometime. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Pulasan in Thailand
« on: August 29, 2023, 06:56:40 AM »
Received a box of pulasan today.  First time trying pulasan from Thailand.  The larger and darker pieces tasted much better and gave me a small reminder of the awesome fruits we had in Puerto Rico. 

I understand that the farms need to pick all they can, when they can, but I would have preferred that the fruit had been allowed to stay on the tree to get darker, sweeter, and develop more complex flavors.  This fruit is normally much better than the best rambutan.  No contest in my opinion.  I think these could have been better if on the tree longer.  PR fruit definitely better, but we got to pick and eat those right at their peak.  That's hard to beat.  But now I have a shit ton of seeds to plant for grafting and other experiments!  Got another box ordered coming from a different farm.  Supposed to be bigger fruit and hopefully kept on the trees a bit longer.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Foreign mango familiarity
« on: August 27, 2023, 08:01:00 PM »
Thank you Brev!  I've been leaning towards those last three.  I agree.  Sweet is good, but it has to have some complexity and excitement!  The Po Pyu Kalay is Lemon Meringue, and I do have this one growing.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Foreign mango familiarity
« on: August 25, 2023, 08:32:34 PM »
Durian note??  I like durian, but that would be the last thing I would want in a mango!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Foreign mango familiarity
« on: August 24, 2023, 09:21:50 PM »
So here I am living in Thailand with no access to Zill mangos besides the ones I came here with.  There are some folks here selling trees from Myanmar, Taiwan, India/Pakistan, Israel, Malaysia, Indonesia, and Philippines.  I'm looking for a couple that has the flavors/complexities of some of the upper tier Zill mangos or at least could compete with them.  Anyone familiar with the following?  Keep in mind that the spelling might be off and probably is on some, but these are the names I've pulled.  Thanks!

Sein ta lone/diamond/guava - myanmar
ah ping - taiwan
harum manis - taiwan?
chaunsa/chonza - pakistan
Anwar Ratol -pakistan
Sai-Ci Mango or Si-Ci - taiwan
Bangana palli - india
Hong Mi Huang - Taiwan
Sanlin/salin/sallin - Taiwan I believe
Guimaras - philippines
Sai-Ci Mango or Si-Ci Mango - Taiwan
Ping Guo Wen or Phing Ku Win - Taiwan
Maya - Israel

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mangosteen grafting questions
« on: August 10, 2023, 04:41:25 AM »
I agree with Peter on all his points.  I've witnessed first hand grafted trees versus seedling trees and there is just no contest.  These trees were at Ian Crown's farm in PR.  Same age or older grafted trees were much much smaller than seedling trees.  They also fall way short on production versus seedlings.  Grafted trees much older than some of the seedlings still cannot compete.  Don't get me wrong...they were all lovely trees.  Their shapes were very nice, very short, round, compact, and I don't believe ever have been pruned...a perfect option for a backyard or greenhouse.  I just don't think they are a winner for a farm.

As for grafting, here in the Asian countries, it looks like they only graft onto mangosteen.  Probably don't figure it worth the risk of any delayed compatibility issues.  The goal is to get fruit on the tree as soon as possible.  This is what gets people excited and makes the sale...even though the tree might only put out 1-3 fruit for several years.  I'm sure it also is plays a role in why the tree is normally so stunted.  Would I have purchased one if available when I had the greenhouse?  Damn right I would!  If someone made these available to people in the states, at a reasonable price, they'd make a killing.  For those doing their own grafting, if you can get the scions, graft away on any garcinia you can.  You might come up with a winner...but hedge yer bets and have some nice mangosteen seedlings available too.

Sasa and José Pabón from Puerto Rico.  Big and tasty and doesn't suck the moisture out of your mouth like many do.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafted garcinias
« on: July 10, 2023, 07:49:12 AM »
This was my Luc's grafted onto Imbe.  Probably 7' wide and 10' high in this pic.  Did incredibly well on Imbe.  The Imbe was an old, very large tree that I cut back and grafted onto.  The Luc's spread in all directions and needed pruned often in order to keep it off the glass and to give room to walk past.  Unfortunately we moved before it started blooming.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Nice dwarf mulchi harvest
« on: July 08, 2023, 06:24:40 PM »
Very nice!  Loaded.  How long did it take for the tree to first fruit?  Was hoping I could acquire this here in Thailand, but no luck so far.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Puerto Rico Durian season
« on: July 03, 2023, 09:28:51 PM »
Very nice!  Really early.  I don't think most will be ready till end of July.

A lot of people squeeze/pinch the blooms and have good luck getting pollination.  Google it to get more info.  Hopefully it helps.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tropics in Ohio?
« on: June 27, 2023, 06:34:00 PM »
True...most things started flowering in late winter, very early spring.  Ants did most of the pollination for achachairu...if it even needs it.  The gold nugget jack was just a poor performer for me and we did not like the soft flesh when it did fruit.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tropics in Ohio?
« on: June 27, 2023, 08:16:55 AM »
Thank you for the kind words W.  Stinkfist...First thing I'd do would be to sell the passionfruit on Marketplace.  I had no room in my greenhouse for these crazy, non-stop growers.  The Achachairu shouldn't be much of an issue.  Just don't go transplanting in too large of a container for these.  Should be plenty of conversations on this forum and on FB.  Give them as much light as possible during winter.  You might start looking into supplemental lighting. 

Finding plants has always been difficult to impossible.  Even seeds are very hard to obtain...just keep an eye open for Hawaii suppliers.

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