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Po Pyu Kalay and Taymour have officially joined the party. I found some much better quality lemon zest but so far am still chasing highs from years ago with them.Taymour just might be thE finest Egyptian Mango there is. And Iíve had a good few. Itís got a sweet aroma and subtle hints in and overall but fine flavor profile. A ripe one feels like eating a succulent candy. They tend to get spots when ripe for me so far, remaining fine on the inside. Itís in my top 20 mangoes (at the high teens) for a reason.

Iíve worked with 230 plus mangoes since 2010 and PPK ranks #2 all time on Futureís Fave Fifty. Itís that good. As soon as you cut a ripe one it introduces itself, bleeding juice and citrus perfume. And the taste doesnít disappoint. Iíve like an Orange crush ice cream on steroids. Small fruit, big punch.

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Welcome to Volume 12.

Caveat: itís not 2012 anymore and time to detail each and every mango just isnít there like days gone by.  But, I will chime in on whatís hitting the mark in 2024, and what isnít, plus end with a top 10 for the year. Let the games begin.
I'm hoping you have an opportunity to try P22 lot of hype lot of chitter chatter. I will get to sample it the first time probably in July because my brother from another mother has that tree. So far buttercream has been the best but I've had some really good Carrie and some sweet tart from Area 51 Palm City. From my own trees which is still early I'm just starting to pick Dwarf Hawaiian. I had a early bloom M4 drop that I had finny for probably 7 days. Totally expected to be sour immature but was pleasantly surprised at how delicious it was. No note of coconut as of yet but I'm pretty stoked about M4. I have Dot and OS sitting on the counter so stay tuned things are cranking up in 9B. There's a good chance I will get to sample Black Julie for it second season of fruiting. Oh yes and Super Julie was superb




You are on to a good thing. P22 is a Futureís Top 50 mango. I have a source who says he has it and thank goodness as I havenít had the privilege in years. The last time I had it I shared some with a friend. It was among about 6 mangoes. We ate and ate but when they got to this oneÖthere was a big pause. After the silent savourriny they asked, whatís that mango?  It stands out. Looking forward to getting my hands on it again.

Also, I note you are an hour from me. We should consider connecting.
Sounds like a plan I'll contact you when the Marc Anthony is at Peak. Last season was not it's best flavor-wise. They seem to be bigger this year so hopefully we can get a good sampling for you. We can come down your way or you could come up here. Actually was visiting the mother tree today we had a small sampling of what I recently got from Palm City.





Marc Anthony seedling of Bombay


Black Julie seedling of Jamaican Blackie potentially pollinated by Julie. Seed brought from Jamaica 15 years ago by my brother🙂

Good man. PM me your contact info. Iím an hour north of you for the next little while. Trekking south and back every 10-15 days or so.

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Welcome to Volume 12.

Caveat: itís not 2012 anymore and time to detail each and every mango just isnít there like days gone by.  But, I will chime in on whatís hitting the mark in 2024, and what isnít, plus end with a top 10 for the year. Let the games begin.
I'm hoping you have an opportunity to try P22 lot of hype lot of chitter chatter. I will get to sample it the first time probably in July because my brother from another mother has that tree. So far buttercream has been the best but I've had some really good Carrie and some sweet tart from Area 51 Palm City. From my own trees which is still early I'm just starting to pick Dwarf Hawaiian. I had a early bloom M4 drop that I had finny for probably 7 days. Totally expected to be sour immature but was pleasantly surprised at how delicious it was. No note of coconut as of yet but I'm pretty stoked about M4. I have Dot and OS sitting on the counter so stay tuned things are cranking up in 9B. There's a good chance I will get to sample Black Julie for it second season of fruiting. Oh yes and Super Julie was superb




You are on to a good thing. P22 is a Futureís Top 50 mango. I have a source who says he has it and thank goodness as I havenít had the privilege in years. The last time I had it I shared some with a friend. It was among about 6 mangoes. We ate and ate but when they got to this oneÖthere was a big pause. After the silent savourriny they asked, whatís that mango?  It stands out. Looking forward to getting my hands on it again.

Also, I note you are an hour from me. We should consider connecting.

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I would enjoy your thoughts on Guava mango.  Got to try a perfectly ripened Guava mango this year for the first time.  I did not expect it to taste like an Indian mango, but thatís exactly what it was.  Fiber free, sweet with low acid and that Indian funk. Poly seed. Not sure how it got the name Guava as I didnít detect any flavor resemblance to a guava fruit.  A really good mango but not world class in my book, with acknowledgement that flavor preferences are subjective.

Guava has been incredible this year for me. The house has been bathed in mango aroma for weeks now so when a mango aroma catches attention for it, itís noteworthy. The texture, immaculate. The combination of sweetness and richness with a silky fibreless flesh. Itís really been tough to beat this year.

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So far we have been working with

- ***Guava
- Maha Chanok
- Carrie
- ***Phoenix
- ***Dot
- *Pim Seng Mung
- Coconut Cream
- Cac
- Sunrise
- **Buttercream
- Sunrise
- LZ
- *Angie
- Monty
- *Pickering
- Nam doc mai
- ***PPK
- Apricot
- Fruit cocktail
- ValCarrie
- Sia Siam
- Sugar loaf
- *Edgar
- Kesar
- Dupuis Saigon
- Taralay
- *Pineapple Pleasure
- *Ugly Betty
- *Taimour

One asterisk for the good, two for the great. Three for world class.

These have all been early season fare so to be sure, true ratings pro wonít kick in until July.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Futureís Florida Fruit Feast - Vol 12
« on: June 18, 2024, 05:44:20 PM »
Welcome to Volume 12.

Caveat: itís not 2012 anymore and time to detail each and every mango just isnít there like days gone by.  But, I will chime in on whatís hitting the mark in 2024, and what isnít, plus end with a top 10 for the year. Let the games begin.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2024 FL Mango Season
« on: June 04, 2024, 08:49:14 PM »
Future, I wrote about this 2018 tree in simon_grow's seedling mango thread. I'm not good at describing things so much. We got three mangos off the tree last year (first year holding fruit, second year flowering). Last year I would have classified them as Indian/Alphonso, this year Indian/West Indian. My girlfriend prefers them a little underripe for the tartness that stage provides. I like it more ripe. We both detect coconut undertones. This is the first year with a good crop, so I'm hoping it continues producing well moving forward (and no hurricanes or freezes, thanks) in order to fine tune when to pick and when to eat. I've only got a few fruit left and am having a couple other people try them/evaluate them this upcoming weekend. You won't be in Punta Gorda or West Palm this weekend, will you? I'd like to get your opinion of them.



Ah. Glad I caught up on that one. Sounds special. I will PM you.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2024 FL Mango Season
« on: June 03, 2024, 08:14:02 PM »
It's crazy what the sun does to exposed fruits. Last year we only got three mangos off Gift Horse (Coconut Cream Seedling), and all were green barely turning yellow. This year, most are staying green, but where the sun hits some, they're getting a pretty impressive blush:





Pickerings have been bland thus far, but these Gift Horses have been impressive. So much so that I'm going to plant another one in the yard.

I donít see a thread on this CC off type. Whatís the flavor profile?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Zill selling mangos this year?
« on: June 03, 2024, 07:34:04 PM »
I'm planning a trip to Florida but just heard from a friend of a friend that he's not selling to the public this year. Is that true?

I've got to get this sorted out before I buy my plane tickets.

I called and they indicate they will sell fruit in about 3 weeks time.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Zill selling mangos this year?
« on: June 02, 2024, 09:30:07 PM »
Whether Zills is selling mangos or not,
they are known to pick them really underipe (mature green)
I would suggest doing more research and maybe hit places like Tropical Acres etc.
When I got some from Zills, a few did not ripen and they just rotted.

To be sure, picking timing had plummeted in recent years. There has been a transition and quality has suffered. I would say you get mature green if you are lucky. Often itís way too early to ripen. Buyer beware.

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Mango seed weevil has never been found in Florida

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#awesome

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Redlands Summer Fruit Festival 2024
« on: May 23, 2024, 02:47:45 PM »
https://www.miamidade.gov/fruitandspicepark/events.page

Saturday, June 22, 2024 - Sunday, June 23, 2024
11:00 AM - 6:00 PM

Summer Fruit Festival 2024
​​Showcasing local agriculture and tropical fruits that are abundant during the summer time. Vendors will be featuring tasty cuisine, arts & crafts, tropical fruit trees. We will have educational workshops, musicÖ

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I decided to add another row of mangos to the project so now weíre at 85 trees in all.  Hereís the updated list for anyone curious to follow along on the journey. 

Bottom bench row along fence (23)
Lemon zest
Harvest moon
Triple sec (Seacrest)
Fruit punch
Edward
O-15
Super Alphonso (India)
Alphonso
Kesar
Chok Anon
CAC
Rapoza
Juicy peach
Sunrise
Madmam Francis
Phoenix
Momi K
Haden
Keitt
Ewais
Mystery lost tag :( (maybe ataulfo)
Raw honey
Maha Chanok

Row 1 of mangos (along road) (22)
Valencia pride
Sweet tart
Orange sherbet
Lemon zest
Coconut cream
Cotton candy
Pineapple pleasure
Rapoza
Golden glow
Mapalehu
Brooks late
Lancetilla
Ceci love
Carrie
Pickering
PiŮa colada
CrŤme brŻlťe
Tymour
Cabeza
Ice cream
Peach cobbler
Juicy peach

Row 2 of mangos  (20)
Glenn
Fairchild
R2E2
M-4
Florigon
Fruit cocktail
Gary
Sugarloaf
Cushman
Venus
Duncan
Cogshall
Julie
Juliette
Nam doc Mai #4
Okrung
Angie
Rosigold
Pirie
White pirie

Row 3 of mangos (15)
Zillate
Orange sherbet
Orange essence
Pickering
Southern blush
Gold nugget
Butter cream
Manalita
Lemon meringue
Krook lom krom
Ugly Betty
Bennett Alphonso
Manzanillo
Spirit of 76
Vallenato

Row 4
Ah ping   
Ott
 
Row 5
Smith
Alampur beneshan









Whatís up KFF. Thatís a #remarkable list. Good luck with growing and Iím keen to see how they fruit and how they taste on a different terroir.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mangifera casturi
« on: April 23, 2024, 01:12:29 PM »
You plan on growing thisÖwhere in the UK?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Anyone here from Borneo or Malaysia ?
« on: March 30, 2024, 10:33:26 AM »
Weíre planning a trip next year to Borneo. Trying to get some insider info on best places and time of year to go.

Thanks!

Yearofthedurian.com is loaded with info

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Whats the "biggest" mango
« on: March 24, 2024, 02:42:51 PM »
Cat Saigon aka Golden Queen - Keitt x Ivory variety

This is the first Iíve heard of cat Saigon being synonymous with golden queen. For sure GQ is big. But lancetilla and VP and probably the true size kings. But, GQ is among the few big mangoes that pack a flavor worthy of Futureís top 50 mangoes. The best of the relatively big ones is easily Pineapple Pleasure.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Futureís Florida Fruit Feast - Vol 11
« on: March 04, 2024, 11:38:20 AM »
Were those Marc Anthony's poly?

Small delicious fruit. From memory - mono.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Futureís Florida Fruit Feast - Vol 11
« on: March 02, 2024, 06:47:24 PM »
Whatís in hand?

Honey kiss
orange sherbet
Maha Chanok
Crystal
zinc
Beverly
Venus
mallika
Jakarta
Graham
ivory
sweet tart
white pirie
Sunset
nam doc mai Sia tong
lemon zest
cotton candy
m4
rosigold
Neelam
Lil Gem
Ppk
Step
Keitt
Golden Nugget
Mangifera lalijiwa
Banganapalle
Nam Doc Mai
Kiewya
Marc Anthony
Harvest Moon
San Felipe
Kent
Keitt, Lil Gem, Orange Sherbet, Nam Doc Mai, Golden Nugget, Mallika

Time to post details escapes me but better late than never

And the 2023 winners were

10 M4 - on a good year it could win it all
9 Beverly - growing on me
8 Cotton Candy - a top 10 all time sugar bomb
7 Sweet Tart - a top 10 all time great
6 Maha Chanok - tasted particularly orangey this year. It normally isnít as big a winner for me
5 Marc Anthony - a new to me variety. Small but man, flavor profile is awesome. Worth planting.
4 Venus - aptly named, delicious
3 Lemon Zest - not a great year for the goat mango
2 ZINC - consistently delightful year after year
1 Orange sherbet - simply amazing

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: mango owais ???,
« on: February 24, 2024, 02:47:28 PM »
so i bought my first mango tree and its a keitt and i will plant this beauty in a 30 gal grow bag (i dont have room for now till i will buy a land this a dream for now lol)

anyway i want to get owais mango since egyptians mango work good where i live (im not for usa)

what do you think good or bad mango???

Itís in Futureís top 50 mangoes. Nuff said.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Futureís Florida Fruit Feast - Vol 11
« on: August 05, 2023, 08:18:46 PM »
New additions thanks to some good contact suggestions plus a trip to Meritt Island.

Marc Anthony
Harvest Moon
San Felipe
Kent

Plus more Keitt, Lil Gem, Orange Sherbet, Nam Doc Mai, Golden Nugget, Mallika

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Future in the near future should be M4 available in Martin County

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Do tell more.

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Whatís in hand?

Honey kiss
orange sherbet
Maha Chanok
Crystal
zinc
Beverly
Venus
mallika
Jakarta
Graham
ivory
sweet tart
white pirie
Sunset
nam doc mai Sia tong
lemon zest
cotton candy
m4
rosigold
Neelam
Lil Gem
Ppk
Step
Keitt
Golden Nugget
Mangifera lalijiwa
Banganapalle
Nam Doc Mai
Kiewya

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Yes, it is totally worth it to grow mono versions of Polyembryonic varieties. This applies only if you have the space to experiment. The mono version of Polyembryonic varieties have approximately 50% of its genes from the maternal parent so if those genes happen to have some beneficial traits from the mother tree, you could get those traits in the fruit of that seedling. Same goes with regular mono varieties.

With the mono version of Polyembryonic varieties, there is the possibility that the single seedling is selfed, it pollinated itself when the fruit was formed, or it was pollinated with another variety(zygotic). In either of these scenarios, there will be a mixing of the genes.

For Lemon Zest as an example, if the seedling was a result of selfing, you know that there is citrus in the genotype/phenotype and selfing may or may not enhance those traits. You could get fruit or growth characteristics that are better than the parent but you could also enhance the bad traits as well!

If the LZ seedling was cross pollinated with another variety, you could a seedling that produces completely different fruit but it could also be very similar to the original parent type fruit depending on what genes are dominant. I know nothing about mango genetics so other factors can play a role in this respect.

Iíve actually been planting E4, Sweet Tart and Lemon Zest seedlings in hopes of growing and fruiting a zygotic seedling (non-clone) in the hopes of getting a better version of the fruit/tree.

It would be awesome to get LZ that is precocious and highly productive without spraying. An E4 that has less fiber and changes color when ripe would be great. Sweet Tart, hmmm, not much Iíd change but who knows, maybe it could somehow taste better or grow even more vigorous for me.

Simon

Well, said Simon. Chris at Truly Tropical recently fruited a lemon zest seedling. It appears to have some very interesting traits. It retained the lemon flavor, but also is productive and late season and appears so far to be disease resistant.  Has OS shape. Now I just need to convince her to change the name from Lemon-esh to something more sexy.

Off types from astounding poly fruit hold real promise.

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Iím new here :) are you hosting a feast?

Hi there. A forum search on ďFutureís Florida Fruit FeastĒ will find a decades worth of annual south Florida premier mango reviewsÖand growing.

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