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Tropical Fruit Discussion / White Sapote bombs
« on: January 16, 2023, 11:26:58 AM »
Rain has helped harvest white sapote fruits. Mainly Pike and Vernon.  Rotting well, smell of vinegar, don't walk there.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is my white sapote sick?
« on: January 10, 2023, 12:16:28 PM »
The tip of the leaves being necrotic is usually a consequence of accumulated salts either from fertilizers or inherent dissolved solids in irrigation water. Transpiration takes the H2O out leaving the dissolved salts behind. The concentration of dissolved solids is usually greatest at the leaf tips.  Looks like the remainder of the leaf is healthy. The leaf petioles appear limp, if so that would indicate a root problem affecting the entire plant. During the quiescence time in the winter for plants they cannot utilize much nutrition nor water.  I would suspect that if you let the plant dry out, divert rainwater, by the middle of July you will have a happy plant.  Report back and let us know.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is my white sapote sick?
« on: January 09, 2023, 06:52:08 PM »
Recent fertilizing?  Have not seen that before, resembles avocado starting to drop last year's leaves, but the leaves look fresh.  I barely water my white sapotes, not at all with the recent rains.  The trees here (similar to your climate) are pretty bullet-proof, more like weeds. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: macadamia tree in container?
« on: January 09, 2023, 06:46:47 PM »
No reason to not try!  So many successes are atributed to just doing it.  Report back on your results and techniques.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: macadamia tree in container?
« on: January 09, 2023, 02:05:38 PM »
What Scott said! 

I have around 39 mature macadamia trees and have potted many for sharing. In my experience, they just don't like pots.  Poor ragged little trees just take off when planted in the ground.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Frost hardiness data for White Sapote?
« on: November 28, 2022, 09:05:23 AM »
Unfortunately, the NWS does not reflect accurate historical weather as all weather is local.  Our NWS tends to use data collected on sensors close to the ocean and surrounded by grass not at all reflective of the Nipomo area. I did the local weather daily for two newspapers for years  from data recording thermometers installed when we first moved to the area.  Still record daily temps as part of efforts to grow those plants that we probably shouldn't.  We are surrounded by commercial avocado groves (mostly on hills) and I have vivid memories of black skeletons remaing of groves after some of the old freezes.  They have all been replanted, but facing issues with water now.  I vividly remember the temp that took down my largest cherimoya: 25 degrees.  I have kept that in mind as a limit.  I started some Costa Rican seedlings collected from mountain tops that experienced frost/freezing and they have grown out and sustained growth with colder temps.  But again, freeze duration, humidity, and plant maturity make a difference in cold tolerance. Where would the fun be if it weas all easy?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Frost hardiness data for White Sapote?
« on: November 27, 2022, 09:38:05 PM »
Had 4 in trunk cherimoyas cut down by freezes and also my lucuma knocked back to 3 inch wood.  Not much except new growth on white sapotes damaged.  Not happening any more as we have seen a change in winter temps (and rainfall, sadly)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Frost hardiness data for White Sapote?
« on: November 27, 2022, 09:02:54 AM »
I think our climate is similar.  My oldest white sapote is dangerous to walk under due to the many fallen fruits.  Multigrafted, the fruiting season is drawn out.  They are prolific fruiters here and I don't worry about frost or freeze with any of them.  About 40 years ago we had 17 degrees (killed lots of very old Eucalyptus globulus trees all over thge Nipomo Mesa, planted about 1906).  The oldest white sapote tree still shows a scar on one limb (about 10 in diameter) from that hit.  In our 50 years here, that was the only time it was that cold.  Our usual temps 30 years ago was always in the low 20s, now we barely make the low 30s.  I had similar experiences with macadamias, but they don't suffer either now.  Maturity helps, lost lots of small macadamias to freeze years ago.  Zone pushing is a moving target when the zone changes.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Frost hardiness data for White Sapote?
« on: November 26, 2022, 06:49:00 PM »
Have a number of White Sapotes here in Central Coast of CA.  Trees are over 30 years old and have taken 19, 20 degrees with no damage.  Smaller ones do indeed get hit, but recover.  Low temperature, duration, humidity, and plant condition factor in relative to damage.  Our summer nights are cool (45 degrees), daytime temps in 70s.  The trees never have a lush growth due to cooler temps.  A growth flush from warm days followed by a freeze would certaiunly be detrimental.  Most of our trees are multigrafted and the different varieties seem to tolerate our frosts/freezes easily.  In the past few years we have experienced very few frost/freezing nights due to global warming and infact rarely get apricots (a previous commercial growing area) as not enough winter chill.  Been at this location for almost 50 years and the winters are indeed changing.  Use to use smudge pots (return stack heaters) and covers, but now rarely see any damage now (probably will pay for this comment this winter!)

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Interesting concept.  Had a good friend who was a serious "rare" fruit grower who told me that a transplanted plant needed to be oriented in the same direction relative to magnetic north in its new home.  He adhered to that idea with all his plants.  I try to do that, but oriented with the daily travel of the sun. I guess it ends up the same way. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: macadamia
« on: October 20, 2022, 08:40:05 AM »
Have not tried to root cuttings, yet.  Overdid the macadamia thing when told they would not grow here.  Once a new tree produces there are then lots of seeds to plant. I cannot remember time to production as I had grafted ones too.  Neighbor I supplied seeds just had first crop, about 5 years. I have, over the years, sent seeds around.  Hopefully they are trees now.  Baja CA has been my goto place for many years and fellow CRFG members have provided trees to the orphanage in Colnet.  Inspiring is to see the acreage of trees providing a cash crop to those dedicated folks.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: macadamia
« on: October 19, 2022, 07:49:20 PM »
We'll stay in touch and compare our progress.  TFF is a good site for staying in contact with other similarly inclined.  I don't try to sell any, just pass on items through local CRFG...long-time member.  If you happen to come our way, let me know if you have any rootstock available and I'll girdle some scionwood for you.  We are doing a scion exchange in Jan or Feb at Cal Poly SLO and I'll have some girdled scions there of selected trees.  Timing is under discussion now.  Date should be posted on website when a determination is made.  I also have too many avocado varieties-some 60 or so-and I'll cut scions for those for the scion exchange (not 60, but some uncommon ones).

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: macadamia
« on: October 19, 2022, 05:39:08 PM »
Our climates are similar and different from that in FLA.  We have done the Protea family also: Banksia, Leucospermum, leucadendrons, Protea flowers.  Many from sources in S. Africa and Aus, but Jo in Ventura (Australia Native Plants) has a great nursery for them too.

As to varieties, the seedlings, in many cases, can be superior to those grafted ones I have.  My best graft is called L-1 (sweet), another is Z-3 due to the nut crackout size, maybe Aus or NZ selections.  Cate does not do well for me here, but it certainly does well in San Diego County.  Couple of the HAES (Hawaii Agricultural Experimental Station) varieties (747, 752) are prolific, but nothing special.  I think I have been more rewarded by seedlings when grown out than variety selections.  Beaumont is a very good variety and a beautiful tree with the red veining pink flowers and drops nuts all year.
I grew out many seedlings to evaluate them and have been pleased with the nut quality.  I did graft selections onto many of the seedlings just to retain the variety.  Did take a number of trees down to an orphanage in Baja CA and they have been successful there and have been reproduced.  We are in sand dune sand 300 ft deep, pH is 5.0.  Earlier (45 yrs ago) I lost little macadamia trees to frost, but since they have matured and hardened off they experience no effects from the cold (and now with "global warming" we don't see the freezes anymore).  Trialing some mangos now, picked one fruit to save a overstressed little tree. This is a gamble.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: macadamia
« on: October 19, 2022, 03:23:59 PM »
You might have better results, and save some time, by planting a macadamia nut and letting it grow for a year.  The energy in the seed (nut) produces rapid growth, good roots, and is quickly adapted.  Within a year graft to your desired variety using scionwood that has been girdled, as mentioned before.  I have 58 macadamia trees here in Nipomo, half are grafted from HAES and Aus sources. They are about 25 years old or more.  Interestingly, the half of the trees that are planted seedlings (from different sources and ungrafted) do well and crack-out, production and flavor can compete with the grafted varieties.  Grafted trees produce sooner than seedlings, but that is variety dependent.  Here the tetraphylla group is far superior to the integrifolia group in production and nut quality (and the flowers on their racemes are pink whereas the integrifolia group has boring white flowers).  Hawaii tends to plant integrifolia varieties and they might be better with Florida's climate.  Great trees, few pests, worth growing.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: macadamia
« on: October 18, 2022, 08:47:33 AM »
How old are the cutting-grown trees? 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: macadamia
« on: October 17, 2022, 08:36:29 AM »
Then there is the question of quality of roots from a cutting compared to a grafted seedling.  I recall some information regarding cutting grown macadamia trees blowing over in high winds in Hawaii due to shallow roots.

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Don't think they (seeds) care.  When we used to get rain and damp soli, seeds germinated on their own.

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Kudos to old time CRFG member John Moore of Santa Maria who selected the Moore variety from many seedlings he grew.  Our New Zealand varieties Triumph and Mammoth are producing now and are having a good year.

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Years ago a CRFG group did a taste test of the yellow sapote (Casimiroa tetrameria) choosing  #6 and #7.  Of the two #7 was considered the better.  Taste can vary depending on stage of ripeness.  The results were written up in an old yearbook.  I had a seedling that produced fruits with an awful aftertaste.  It was grafted over to yellow sapote #7.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What is eating my white sapote leaves?
« on: September 29, 2022, 01:05:59 PM »
You can pick off earwigs.  Find their hiding places.  Or there is an earwig bait that can be sprinkled at the base of the trees (lightly).  Here we have masses hiding between fence cross boards and the post.  There are also stacked leaves, boards, etc. that they like.  Chickens are my solution, don't see earwigs now, but had lots of similar damage to yours before.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What is eating my white sapote leaves?
« on: September 28, 2022, 03:56:50 PM »
Go out and check the leaves at night with a flash light. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: White Sapote Questions
« on: September 22, 2022, 11:13:22 PM »
I have 4 grafted white sapotes that are dwarfed and at 15 years old or more, no larger than 8 ft, one is only 5 ft.  All produce normal sized fruit.  I have posted this before:  Using casimiroa tetrameria (yellow sapote) for rootstock, the white sapote (casimiroa edulis) is dwarfed and remains so.  Each is planted in the ground, but would be perfect size for a 15 gallon container.  I also have a collection of white sapote trees that tend to be very large.  I don't think one in a container would be happy due to their size. My Suebelle white sapote is about 10 ft tall, and has fuzz on the bottom of its leaves potentially indicating hybridization with a yellow sapote.  All of the yellow sapotes have the fuzz, and are sometimes called fuzzy leafed sapote. My yellow sapote on its own roots is about 15 ft tall, my Vernon white sapote is a giant 30 ft or more and equally as broad.  For yards with limited space, dwarfing might be a solution to be able to enjoy this excellent fruit.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tropical greenhouse white fly
« on: September 10, 2022, 01:42:22 PM »
Yellow sticky traps work in the greenhouse.  Here in CA, putting infected plants outside for a week allows natural predators to take care of the problem.

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Saw a black sapote grafted on a Fuyu persimmon at Leo Manuel's place.  Persimmon was dormant, but the black sapote was leafed out.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pineapple Guava propogation
« on: July 26, 2022, 06:37:12 PM »
I actually had a bunch of cuttings in a compost pile produce roots.  Try cuttings in milled peat moss.

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