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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Red Ruby Longan
« on: May 07, 2022, 11:52:19 AM »
Palingkecil
How does Sakip taste? Sweeter and juicier than Kohala?

Sakip is super sweet. The flesh has a crunchy crisps to it and juicy at the same time with a very strong aroma. Grows extremely well like the Kohala. But, Taste way way better. I have a small air layer ready for sale if your interested, send me a PM.
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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Red Ruby Longan
« on: May 06, 2022, 12:30:58 PM »
I hear Sak-Ip is suppose to be one of the best tasting. My grafted branch had fruits last year but I did not compare the taste to my Kohala.

Please do a review on your Sakip's fruit this year, Kaz.
Btw, where did you get the Sakip scion?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Red Ruby Longan
« on: May 06, 2022, 12:29:52 PM »
I got 2 from lance- very slow growers
The Red Longan that you got, are they air layered or grafted from mature tree? Are they all seedlings?

Palingkecil, where do they have red longan for sale? Does the seller have  any information weather it's a seedling, air layered or grafted? If you want a variety that do extremely well and taste superior, I highly recommend Sakip. After tasting this one, you won't love your Kohala as much anymore.

I found many Indonesian nurseries have red ruby longan for sale on ebay, and they provide the phytosanitary certificate. All I need to do is get an import permit here, and for a $500 order they give a free shipment. I grew up in Indonesia, so Indonesian is my mother's tongue and they state their Red Ruby is grafted.

Now I am intrigued to find a Sakip longan. When I purchased my Kohala, I looked all over LA for other varieties rather than Sri Chompoo and Kohala, but it seemed like all the nurseries only carried these 2 varieties. My friend told me that Sri Chompoo is less productive, so I bought a Kohala.

How does Sakip taste? Sweeter and juicier than Kohala?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: annona flowers not setting fruit
« on: May 04, 2022, 11:23:56 PM »
How old is your tree? My Geffner did not produce fruit the first 2 years on the ground even with hand pollination.
In the 3rd year I got lazy and didn't do any hand pollination and it set 2 fruits by itself.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Red Ruby Longan
« on: May 04, 2022, 08:37:49 PM »
I got 2 from lance- very slow growers

Do you have them in the green house?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Red Ruby Longan
« on: May 04, 2022, 04:44:32 PM »
Anyone here grows Red Ruby longan?

I cannot find much information on this, only that it is native to Vietnam, has thicker flesh than other longan, and is really sweet (brix 21).

We love our Kohala longan, but what is better than a longan tree? 2 longan trees, especially if it is superior to Kohala.

However, there is no information about cold hardiness, disease resistance, etc. We are in zone 10A with Santa Ana wind, Kohala does extremely well here.
Before we buy this Red Ruby longan tree, we would like to know more about it.

Thank you everyone in advance.



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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Pawpaw in 9B
« on: May 02, 2022, 01:50:37 AM »
Thanks for a detailed reply.  Where did you buy that from?

I got mine from this nursery:

https://restoringeden.co/product-category/fruit-trees/pawpaw/

They always sell out fast, you have to order around September/ October. According to many reviews, Wabash produces big and delicious fruit without aftertaste, and it clearly grows really well in warmer zones.
If you don't mind a little bit bitter aftertaste close to the skin, Sunflower pawpaw is the other variety that does really well in the hot area.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Pawpaw in 9B
« on: May 01, 2022, 04:39:13 PM »
A while ago I read in one of pawpaw grower forum about Wabash pawpaw.
One grower in Texas swears that Wabash is the best and the most productive pawpaw for warmer zone. Additional bonus, according to him Wabash is self fertile, because when he only has one Wabash he gets plenty of fruit. He tried growing other varieties, but only Wabash thrives.
Based on his testimony, I purchased a Wabash and a Shenandoah.
I am in zone 10A, with dry and hot wind.
Both trees planted in ground 2.5 years ago from skinny sticks out of a 4" pot .
Wabash almost get full sun with just a bit of shade, Shenandoah get about 40% shade.
They are 10ft apart. My Wabash is now almost 6 ft tall with 4 branches, and Shenandoah is only 3 ft tall with 2 branches.
Wabash thrives here. On the first year I give extra water (3-4 times a week), but now I only water them once a week.
They both are growing, but Wabash is clearly a champion.
Time will tell if I will get any fruit.

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No certification required for sending seeds to CA. I would like a 10 pack and hope you'll reconsider.

I want to order too, but they confiscated the seeds I purchased from other state last time. Just worried they will do it again if I order this.
If they don't require certificate for seeds, why did the dept. Of agriculture confiscate it? It was annona seeds btw.

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Lara Farms also ships to California.

Thanks!
Unfortunately they only have jackfruit in their website. They have rare varieties jackfruit though.

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Hi,

Not sure if you know this channel, but it is from a very interesting gardner in So Cal you has many in ground Jackfruit and a champejack.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn96y0RO68E

I have a young jackfruit and if I am successful I might try a champedak, although I think it will be pushing it. My minimums do not get lower than 5C, but combined with the winter wet and wind it is a tropical killer.

Ciao

Thanks! I watched the video and it gives me hope!
Chempedak is super sensitive to cold, maybe try Jackedak or Chempejack instead. They fruit earlier and more cold tolerant.

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Hi PalingKecil,

I grew a Chempejack seedling from a seed I brought back from Costa Rica.  I planted it in the ground from a 1 gallon pot.  It grew well until the first winter.  It seemed like it did not like temperatures below 50.  It suffered and dropped most of its leaves.  I took it out of the ground and put it back in a pot in a shaded part of my yard.  It's still alive though, it seems (I did the scratch test).  If it grows back I will plant it in the ground again.  I really love Chempejack too.

Good to know!
I wonder if Cheena seedling is more cold tolerant than other Chempejack out there.
Chempejack is a lot smaller than Jackfruit, so it is a good chance we can keep it in 25 gallon pot and get some fruit if it is protected from the cold maybe.
Have you ever tried growing jackfruit? My seedlings grow super fast, like 2 ft in just 3 months, and then suddenly died one by one for unknown reason.

I have a few jackfruit seedling trees planted in the ground. Some of them are getting quite big.  Thatís strange how your trees die like that.  Do you grow them in pots or in the ground?  Iíve noticed that the jackfruit treeís root system seems very sensitive, much like avocado.  Iíve killed a few jackfruit trees trying to get them out of pots and into the ground.  Iíve given up on planting them in pots.  Now I just directly plant the seeds in the ground.  They seem to grow better this way, at least for me.

It might be the cold wind that just below 50 degree. I remember they start dying around November. The pots were in the open area without any protection. I grew them in pots and never move them around. Chempedak is even worse, they cannot stand below 60 degree. So i want to try Chempejack and Jackedak.
I just check that Everglades has Cheena, but they mention it is a jackfruit, not a Jackedak or Chempejack. Do you think they just made mistake in the category?

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I suspect CA is YMMV for things that are not explicitly banned, such as citrus.  I spent 15min checking the CA pest exclusion sites, and I can't find anything that covers sale of fruit trees, only "fruit" (of which artocarpus is allowed from all states) and "house plants" which my seedlings seem to meet the definition of according to https://www.cdfa.ca.gov/plant/factsheets/TransportingPlantsCA.pdf.  It says import of fruit trees is "strongly discouraged" but only citrus is banned.

It seems possible the CA rules are so strict they can confiscate anything because it doesn't meet some inspection, certification, or quarantine requirement that isn't obvious.  I'm curious to hear what Kevin's experience is.  I'm not exactly operating a commercial nursery here in my back yard so I don't think CA would spend any time threatening me...  more likely they would just destroy the package if they happen to open it and are displeased.   

I have no idea if Cheena tree is smaller than Jackfruit.  My in-ground jackfruit grows like crazy and I have to keep pruning it to keep it under 10ft tall.  The Cheena seedlings are probably becoming rootbound and need up-potting as I didn't pay much attention to them over winter. 

My kwai muk seedling came from 9waters on Etsy, I think it was $25 shipped.  No idea what variety.


It is very frustrating that we don't even know why they confiscate and destroy our plant or seeds. Seems like CA just want to enforce the Phyto certificate and all the permit so they can collect more money.
Well, one day I will move to Florida!

About the cheena, I read in many forums that it is pretty compact, and can bear fruit at 3 years old from seedling. I prefer chempedak, but it is impossible to grow here without a heated green house, so Cheena is the best choice for me for now.

I am interested on how fast Kwai Muk can bear fruit from seedling. How big is your Kwai Muk seedling now and how old is it?

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Hi PalingKecil,

I grew a Chempejack seedling from a seed I brought back from Costa Rica.  I planted it in the ground from a 1 gallon pot.  It grew well until the first winter.  It seemed like it did not like temperatures below 50.  It suffered and dropped most of its leaves.  I took it out of the ground and put it back in a pot in a shaded part of my yard.  It's still alive though, it seems (I did the scratch test).  If it grows back I will plant it in the ground again.  I really love Chempejack too.

Good to know!
I wonder if Cheena seedling is more cold tolerant than other Chempejack out there.
Chempejack is a lot smaller than Jackfruit, so it is a good chance we can keep it in 25 gallon pot and get some fruit if it is protected from the cold maybe.
Have you ever tried growing jackfruit? My seedlings grow super fast, like 2 ft in just 3 months, and then suddenly died one by one for unknown reason.

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I have a bunch of cheena seedlings growing.  My jackfruit and cheena grow like weeds, my champedaks died, kwai muk struggling, marang doing okay.  Not sure how a PA greenhouse compares to southern CA though.

I keep hearing mixed reviews, that cheena is great or that it is worse than jackfruit or champedak.  I'm trying to decide if I should plant one in ground or instead plant another artocarpus.  And also I hear that cheena and jackedak are different hybrids.

If you decide you want to try cheena I'll sell you one for much cheaper, PM me.  I don't believe there are any shipping restrictions from PA->CA for artocarpus.



Hi Brian,

Thank you for sharing your experience!
Yes, i am interested to purchase some cheena seedling and kwai muk seedling too.
I read in the older post here that Kwai Muk is doing good here in So-Cal and can bear fruit.
Do you know what variety is your Kwai Muk seedling from?
Top Tropicals claims that their Kwai Muk is Jesses de La Creme variety which is very sweet and productive.
They also states that their Jackedak is from a superior a seedling from Cheena, which happens to bear fruit at age 3 and super productive.
I want to check if there is no restriction to ship Atocarpus from your place to CA, because recently CA is going crazy to confiscate not only plants but seeds too! I purchased some annona seeds from Mexico and Puerto Rico, and they were all confiscated.

Kevin Jones, from Alabama, is no longer ship plant to Ca due to it's crazy restriction. It just started on 2020 after Covid, because before that, I purchased plants and seeds from Mexico, Puerto Ricco, even Thailand, and all arrived safely. I think somehow the CA officials have too much time in their hands since Covid, because they cannot go out visiting people's orchards, so they spend their time to confiscate and destroy our mail order stuff.











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Chempedak is my favorite childhood fruit after mangosteen, but after I killed several numbers of seedlings, I am moving on and want to try to grow chempejack or jackedak instead.

Top Tropicals is the only one certified to ship to California. They have this variety:
4692 Jackedak Cheena, Jackfruit x Chempedak (Artocarpus x integer)

However since they have minimum order of $200 to ship to Cali, plus another $120 shipping fee, this is not a cheap purchase and I want to know the odds of getting any fruit here in Los Angeles area. I am in Sun Valley, zone 10A.
Mangoe, lychee, and longan grow well here, but I have killed numerous amount of soursop, jackfruit and chempedak.

I am planning to put the Jackedak in the ground, next to the wall, a mango tree, and a pommegranate tree to shelter it from cold wind and gives it more 'micro climate' condition.

Will anyone who has experience growing Jackedak or Chempejack in So-Cal please share here?

Thank you!


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Wax apple varieties
« on: March 10, 2022, 03:29:14 PM »
In my home country, Indonesia, we have red, pink, green, and white wax apple.
In my experienced, the white one is the sweetest and biggest compared to others. It also has thicker flesh.
But it is very hard to find even in Indonesia now.

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Pleasant tasting Pitangatuba does exist.
I had one. My toddler killed it.
I purchased it as a seedling from eBay seller. Seller name is 9water.
It was 4 years old when it first bore fruit. Only 2 fruits, but they were big, lot or flesh, juicy, sweet with just a correct amount of tanginess. It had tropical flavor and apricot after taste. It was so good that i transfferred the tree into the ground, but my son pulled it out without me realized it until the next day.
I want to buy another seedling from 9water, but it took 4 years to bear fruit...

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Atemoya pinks mammoth and African Pride
« on: December 22, 2021, 04:22:23 PM »
Can anyone share how is Pink Mammoth compared to KJ Pink?
KJ Pink supposed to be the bud sport of PM, does it mean it taste better or maybe more productive?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Unknown White Sapote with black mold?
« on: December 14, 2021, 08:28:21 PM »
Hello everyone,

We just purchased an old house, and it has an old white sapote tree in the back yard. The tree is about 30-40 years old, but it is only 15-18 ft tall.
So I assume it is a dwarf variety. It is not Suebelle, because I have a Suebelle, the leaves shape is different, and Suebelle's leaves are fuzzy on the backsides.

Recently after a rainy day, the tree blooms and now has clusters of small fruitlets (see picture). I am very excited to try the fruit, and want to improve the tree's health so it will hold all the fruits to maturity.

The previous owner never take care of this tree, it was never watered, and surrounded by big clump of birds of paradise (I will get rid of them).
The leaves of this white sapote are full of black spots that look like black mold. Please see the pictures.
Should I spray the leaves with copper mixed? Should I fertilize the tree so it will get stronger and can fight the disease by itself?

Any input will be highly appreciated!










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Palingkecil, I will need to send you one of my Melon guava fruit next year when it ripens. I think it tastes good, smooth, not crunchy, strong fragrance, but it has many seeds. Since I have some Mexican Cream plants now and one tree has 1 fruit so I will be able to taste it in a month to see if it tastes the same as my Melon guava or better.

The picture of your Melon guava looks mouthwatering, Kaz.
I tried to find Melon guava at Lowes and Home Depot, but seems like no one has it anymore. You got lucky!
My friend has Jalisco Red, but this year is only the first year it bears fruit, so he said it just taste so so, he prefers his Ruby Supreme.
But I suspect the fruit quality will improve as the tree gets older.
If next year my fake Peruvian guava bears more fruit, I will send some to you. The fruit tastes so much like Mexican cream, but bigger in size.
This year I only get 2 fruits, because lack of watering. I never fertilize any of my guava trees, do you fertilize your guava?




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I've lived in Taiwan before, and I ate tons of guava over there. People sell guava on the street as snacks that anyone can grab anytime.
As far as I remember, Crystal is good, but not creamy at all. It is more to crunchy type. I don't remember eating Emperor, maybe I did but just did not find it memorable.
The most tasty guava in Taiwan for me was Milk guava. Yes, they call it Niu Nai Pa Le in Mandarin, translated as Milk guava.
It is not creamy nor crunchy, just in between. Not super sweet, but enough sweet with no tartness or any other aftertaste. It has few seeds with very sweet soft inner part.
I actually been trying to find this variety here, but no one ever heard of it.

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I have some fresh Vermilion Suriname cherry seeds from a tree that produces very delicious fruit. Also some Pierce cherimoya seeds.
First come first serve. Pick up in Sun Valley, or send me a stamped envelope, I am not going to post office since the wait has always been too long.

Thanks

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango: Lemon Zest tasted chalky?
« on: November 12, 2021, 02:54:46 PM »
So last night I finally ate a large LZ ripen properly -- not wrinkled skin but fully turned yellow outside and same as inside with same color. It tasted very good with intense sweet and tart, but the tart is a little less than Sweet-tart mango, no chalky taste at all and firm flesh (I wish Peach Cobbler has this firm flesh). A lot of flesh to seed ratio. All of the early flowers got PM and I cut them all off in mid April and these last flowers -- end of April early May) gave me about 7 large fruits this years.

LZ tasted much better than Edward grown in my yard.

Brian, next year you probably could trade LZ fruit with Vinay.
He gave me one picked ripe from his tree. I waited 3 days before I cut it open. It does have lemon zest smell when I cut it, but strangely not when I eat it.
The fruit is beautiful, skin is completely yellow, the flesh is more orange color. No chalkiness, no resin or any other complexity to me
Fiberless, silky, but it is sweet beyond words. No tartness at all. I can only ate a few pieces because the sweetness is nauseating to me. My 2 years old really liked it and cleaned it up.
I prefer Sweet Tart for more balance flavor. I love super sweet fruit, like sapodilla and white sapote, but this one tasted like a pure sugar to me.I have a sweet tart tree already and considering to get a lemon zest tree, but after the experience I will just graft one branch.
It is good, but way too sweet for me.

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Here's my white crunchy guava, has seeds, no taste last year. I may let this fruit hang until it falls off to see if it gets any flavor.

Does anyone recognize this fruit ?
Is this the Vietnamese white guava ?







This looks like Vietnamese Giant Guava from Mimosa. I had the tree, but did not like the fruit. It is crunchy and only mildly sweet. I like creamy and super sweet guava.

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