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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Questions from a total grafting neophyte.
« on: November 14, 2012, 09:01:56 AM »
I am also still a noob in grafting. I did about 40-50 so far and have some questions as well.

The knife has to be bevelled at one side, but i bought 2 grafting knifes allready that are only bevelled 1 side. So i  made my own from the vile of a victorinox which is bevelled 1 side now.

I grafted a mahanChanok which is alive for 10 months on the host but it has only 2 leaves and nothing happens. To force it growing i took one leave off but in 30 days still nothing happens. What can i do to make it grow? The tip of that graft is dead wood so it only has 1 leave now and a healthy stem.

I use small mango-trees for grafting (many different species) but how can i force them to make good buds? They are in small growers bags of plastic so i can easy tie them to a bamboo stick for approach grafting but actually i want to go for the real grafting ways like side veneer or cleft grafts. I tried that many times but they always die. I never used the paper, only bind the branch to keep it in the shade.

When i wrap them in plastic totally they turn black and die. Water can come in i guess so how can i prevent that so they stay dry?
I also always get very small crawling insects under the plastic so how can i close it well so nothing can come in my grafts?

I use some plastic film from the gardenshop which is transparent and stretchable. They dont sell parafilm here.

I was thinking to put my sciontrees in pure vermiculite to let them start making fat buds that i can use as scions. Is that a good idea or does anyone have a better plan? My trees are now like 30 cm with 2 branches from 10cm. I can buy new ones easy but like to use what i got.




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What fruit do you hate the most?
« on: November 14, 2012, 07:35:51 AM »
I also dont like some jackfruits. Actually i don't like all of them except the Ped Raa Chaa variaty which is very popular now in Thailand. It is sweet, cripsy and doesn't smell and no rotting aftertaste.

I wonder if it is the same as the Bangkok Lemon that you floridians love to grow. I asked many bankokians about that one but nobody heard of it.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What fruit do you hate the most?
« on: November 14, 2012, 01:58:00 AM »
For me the cantaloupe, guave and papaya are the ones i would not eat more then a few pieces of. Durian i have to try again without smelling it.

But there is so much fruit that i have never seen or heard of, i hope they will be on some tv-program soon on a discovery channel.
I saw the trailer of the "fruitpickers" here on the site, is that a new program that will be on discovery-channel? If so i will sure watch it.

In Thailand i will not eat apples anymore but there sure are nice ones in other parts of the world.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: A durian tour in Thailand
« on: November 12, 2012, 05:38:36 AM »
Well i will try it and see what happens. Maybe i will check the roots under the wall or concrete after some years by digging the soil away.

I will take a look at a mature tree first how the roots will grow before i plant mine, thanks anyway.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Ants, to kill or not to Kill
« on: November 12, 2012, 05:26:50 AM »
In the past i got them away with feeding them dry yeast mixed with fruit-jam. They like to eat it and it kills them.

My flowering mangotree is also full of ants now but i dont see the problem yet. I had the mango leaf-cutting weevil  ( Deporaus marginatus ) who ate my new flushing grafts but i sprayed something against them today.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: A durian tour in Thailand
« on: November 11, 2012, 09:33:34 AM »
To please my wife we bought a small durian tree yesterday. I forgot the species but my wife loves it she said.

My question is can i keep the tree under 3 metre and of course i want it to fruit. I can also put it in a big pot but full soil sounds better.

It will get full sun almost the whole day. The place i have in thought is between a wall and concrete floor and is about 1.5 metres wide. Will that give problems with the roots breaking the wall or floor or how can i prevent from that?

We grow it just for fun, not to get the most or best fruits of the world.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: A durian tour in Thailand
« on: November 11, 2012, 01:41:36 AM »
I only like the durian chips which are very tasty and crispy.

I heard from my wife that the Nonthaburi durian (Kaan yao-species) is the most highly priced in thailand. If you want one you have to order it in advance and prices go up to 2-300us$ !!  for 1 fruit. It has to be grown in Nonthaburi or it is not the one that they want to pay for. How they can check if it is really grown in Nonthaburi i dont know.






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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Planting instructions
« on: November 11, 2012, 01:25:06 AM »
I would like to know how to plant a grafted mango tree.

The graft-joint is usually still covered with plastic and i read somewhere that you should not take that tape off. Also you should not plant the tree deeper then that plastic because the stem might start rotting then.

Can anybody tell me how they do this?

Bangkok,  Some trees, when buried too deep, the roots will sufficate from lack of oxygen.  It is not easy to correct if the tree is too low and the graft is underwater when it rains.  Avoid spots where water stands after raining or mound soil higher than that level if you must use that spot.  Soil can always be added around the tree if it is too high.  I dig the hole, larger than the container. I put most of the soil back in the hole, leaving enough room for the container the plant is in.  I put the tree in the hole, still in the container, to verify that the soil level in the container is a few centimeters above the normal soil level on the ground.   

Grafting tape can be left on for months.  Some types will fall off from sun exposure.   Three months after grafting, it is probaby ok to remove the grafting tape.  If you need to remove it, be very careful not to cut or rub the bark. 

My tree was planted last year and grows well so i will never take it out the soil anymore. The thing is added mulch under the mangotree and i keep the mulch away from the stem for funghi-precautions. I was thinking to put yellow sand around the trunk to make it same level with the mulch as sand does not have funghi like mulch can have, that was my thought. If i apply sand then it will be higher then the graftingtape. This tree is about 3-4 metre high so that graftingtape must have been there many years i guess.

I also have many small mangotrees that i use for scions, they are all grafted on a rootstock and that graft is 10 cm above soil level. I want to take it off so the joint can harden, i think that is no problem but i just want to be sure.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Ants, to kill or not to Kill
« on: November 11, 2012, 01:12:12 AM »
I just removed a nest of weaver ants in my mango-tree. After that i found our that they are very usefull for protection against bugs. Now i m looking for a nest to place it back in the tree but i have to find a way to move the nest without getting bitten. :P

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Planting instructions
« on: November 10, 2012, 12:14:03 AM »
I would like to know how to plant a grafted mango tree.

The graft-joint is usually still covered with plastic and i read somewhere that you should not take that tape off. Also you should not plant the tree deeper then that plastic because the stem might start rotting then.

Can anybody tell me how they do this? 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Introduce Yourself
« on: November 09, 2012, 08:42:15 AM »
Oh now i see, quick reply is to reply on a post...i have to learn all options.

Murahilin i dont know yet, i tried one approach-graft to a thin mango-branch (I took the whole stem from the maprang with 4 thin branches on it and keep it in the sun) Also i made 2 side veneer grafts.  The veneergrafts were having a swollen bud but very thin, like 3-4 mm so it was hard to do that while mosquito's were biting me nonstop. They are under the leaves so in pretty much shade.

I also will try the lalee jewo soon but i have to buy it first. My thai wife don't know the kuini but if there are more thai fruits that i can graft on the mango then let me know i will buy them and try it. I am sure when my mango has many different fruits the whole neighbourhood will come to see what the strange foreigner made out of his mangotree. So far nobody believes me that it is possible.




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Introduce Yourself
« on: November 09, 2012, 05:30:57 AM »
Mike i rarely come in the skytrain-area. Chatuchak is too busy and too hot for me so i only go there if i really need something that is only sold there.

If you want to buy tropical plants then come Saturday 26 January –Saturday 2 February 2013 because then there is a huge agriculture fair at the kasetsart university in Bangkok.
http://www.grad.ku.ac.th/eng/calendar/2012%20Academic%20Calendar%20for%20Bangkhen%20Campus.pdf check this site for the final date because they might change it. It is about 30 min. by taxi from Chatuchak weekend market (skytrain station Mo Chit). Smart people dont come in the weekend because it will be very very busy.

On this fair there will be fruit and plantsellers from all over Thailand. If you need rare species you might find them there. It sure is worth a daytrip for collectors/tourists.









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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Introduce Yourself
« on: November 09, 2012, 04:27:28 AM »
Thanks Mike.

I know much better places to buy plants then Chatuchak market. I buy where the salesppl from Chatuchak also buy, the wholesale shops who dont speak english at all, nothing is labeled and they all look at me like which western soccer-team is in our country now? Anyway who comes to Bangkok should visit Chatuchak market in the weekend (full market) and on friday only plant-market.

I will help anybody with my knowledge of Thailand, i live in Bkk for 9 years now and speak a little Thai, i am Dutch by the way. I also have stayed in Cairns at the Esplanade when i was travelling there many years ago.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What's the stupidest mistake you've made?
« on: November 09, 2012, 04:02:56 AM »
I used to graft scions on my tree's which were not flushing neither had the scions swollen buds. I still had a succesrate of about 30-40%. After that i started approach-grafting which gave me a higher rate of succes. The grafts took but some of them are still dormant for 9 months now.

I taught myself how to graft with help from internet, i didn't know this forum untill a few days ago.

My stupidest mistakes are cutting off the wrong branch while approach-grafting on the big ndm-tree. Last week i sprayed copper but i used a double dosis by accident. (Fungaran should come with a measurement-spoon is my opinion).

Anyway my tree's are fine and flushing/flowering non-stop last months.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First Mango Bloom for Upcoming 2013 Season
« on: November 09, 2012, 03:46:30 AM »
I have 2 NDM tree's. 1 is flowering like crazy (they keep on coming)  since 3 weeks now and the other one has no signs of flowers yet. Tree's around the neighbourhood have no flowers yet but i dont know what species they are. My grafts are less then a year old and do not flower yet. The mango's are about 2cm in diameter now. I have the flowering tree for 10 months now and it is 3-4 meter high.

I sprayed with copper 2 times  but it rains every few days so i wonder if it helps. Not much anthracnose untill now, do i have to pick the infected or misformed leaves off?

My small Chocanon tree had flowers 3 months ago but they all fell off.  Chocanon can flower like 4 times a year here in the tropics. I ate some chocanons yesterday but they are far not as sweet and nice as a NDM.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Introduce Yourself
« on: November 09, 2012, 03:36:40 AM »
Hi Everybody,

I am a mango-lover from Bangkok Thailand. I have 2 big NamDocMai tree's which i converted into multi-grafted tree's. I have about 10 species growing on them and since yesterday a graft of sangaria (ma-prang in thai) on it.

I also graft citrus on my pomelo-tree and i have plumeria's with loads of different flowers.

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