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i started searching about green sapote; it took little time to get confused, as here https://www.raindanceseeds.com/rare-plants/green-sapote-pouteria-viridis the fruit in the photograph are quite yellow tending to orange and not green. MAYBE, is it green when not fully RIPE? Although Roman said that the green sapote is the hardiest sapote, Wikipedia says " it does not tolerate hot or cold conditions". Excuse me saying that Wikipedia is often not reliable or at least inaccurate because it is subject to blind copying. Simply the fact that green sapote is hardier than the mamey sapote, agrees to Roman saying that green sapote grows well in zone 9b (in fact, being near the sea makes my microclimate milder than 9b). I m now looking to what size it should be pruned so as to fruit well.

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thank you so much, Roman!
i had not made the comparison to the green sapote; i had only compared to Manilkara sapote (sapodilla) and in fact i had bought a sapodilla from Italy which died before completing a full year in my yard - i must have done something wrong and as usually i do not like to try again with a species that has failed with me.
I am now sure that the mamey tree would not be bothered by the cold here, but the fruit would be in great dangers: from cold, wind, crows, maybe even seagulls; also, fruit falling to the ground would be another danger if they fall from very high; picking with a pole would also be difficult if the fruit grows on high.
The green sapote would probably not attract crows or seagulls, if it is true that birds are attracted to warmer and darker colors only.
So now i have made up my mind. Currently i cannot grow the mamey sapote, unless in the future when i hopefully construct a non-heated but covered structure that would protect the trees from wind and birds. And here an important question has arisen:
WILL THE MAMEY (and the green sapote) FRUIT WELL IF KEPT PRUNED LOW (to about 4 meters height)?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Pouteria sapota production with chill hours?
« on: January 21, 2024, 07:51:11 AM »
Hi everyone,
i have been reading for days about Pouteria sapota, it is generally described as tropical, some sources say no frost tolerance and moderate wind tolerance, but here https://www.monaconatureencyclopedia.com/pouteria-sapota/?lang=en i found that an adult tree can withstand slightly below zero for a short time, and this seems to be the case at my place, coastal Greece, frosts are not expected, and even if there is frost once or quite rarely twice a year, it will not last more than 2 consecutive nights, in other words it is just like zone 10 so an adult Pouteria sapota will not be damaged by frost; on the other hand, we do have chill hours, typically above +6 C during night, a few times i recorded +4 C this year so far, the place is generally not windy, but sometimes there are whistling winds from the sea SE. At daytime it rarely goes below +9 C (well, other years might be colder).
In short, i am sure that Pouteria sapota can survive in my yard, but, given the chill hours, will it bear fruit to be worth the price, as it is bitterly expensive to buy a Pouteria sapota little tree here. Seeds are cheap, yes, and AFAIK seeds produce stronger trees, but will seeds produce (after how long time) a self productive and satisfactorily productive tree?
Your advice please!

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Thank you all, very useful theory and detailed practical information.
At present it may sound like "the fish are in the sea and the frying pan is on the fire", but if you know about pollination of Annona crassifolia, information would be much appreciated.

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Hi, i went to a garden supplies shop to ask about Gibberellic Acid (GA), they did not sell that, but the shop keeper told me that GA is dangerous as it may "burn" the seeds. So i ordered some GA from the internet, and as i do not understand the terms like "1000 ppm", please somebody explain in plain terms, when i have a sachet with 1 gram of GA, i dilute it in alcohol and then in how much water so that it does not damage the Annona crassiflora seeds but stop their dormancy to make them germinate?

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they need to be treated with a solution of gibberellic acid in water at 1000 ppm for one or two days.
As i m not familiar with gibberellic acid solutions, if the solution contains too little GA, i suppose it will not work. If the solution is too dense in GA, will that be bad for the seeds?
This sachet here https://www.ebay.com/itm/333653972174 contains one gram of GA; i dilute it in alcohol, then to how much water to make the seeds germinate?

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thank you Jal and tru! I have vermiculite but not gibberellic acid, i must search to buy.
tru, i suppose "by a window" means a source of warmth, not light, since you say "inside of something that blocks light".

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Hi! I have bought some Annona crassifolia seeds from rarepalmseeds.com and have tried to germinate them. Previously, i ordered 3 seeds of Annona crassifolia from tradewindsfruit but they were seized at the Greek post office so i lost them and wasted the price. That is not fair, because seeds from tradewindsfruit are sanitized and they pose no danger whatsoever, but they fell to the wrong hands and i cannot help with it. In the past i had received from tradewindsfruit, and even now others receive here; it depends on who will be the clerk at the customs house, and we have no way to find that out.
Now i have the seeds from rarepalmseeds, but rarepalmseeds has a bad habit of keeping their seeds until sold out, so you often buy old seeds. Now, Annona crassifolia seeds have a reputation of being hard to germinate, and in fact none of them has germinated so far. I asked the seller at rarepalmseeds and even they don't know about sprouting Annona crassifolia - they only buy and resell, they advised me to ask at a forum - that is HERE. Has anyone here sprouted Annona crassifolia? Your advice please! The fact that the seeds are difficult to germinate may also mean that the seeds are durable over long time, so it would not be too bad if they sell old seeds in this case - however some other Annonas like Annona montana have short-lived seeds. Anyway, nobody knows better than experience. Waiting for information, thank you!
Also, information on pollination of Annona crassifolia would be much appreciated.

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Hi! the ubajay i got from you has sprouted, i noticed only today. I try to choose the best spot for it, so please tell me, can it grow in the shade? Are the roots deep, or wide, or aggressive, or what? How tolerant is it of drought? What kind of soil is worse and what kind is better for it?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / help to treat papaya disease
« on: June 10, 2022, 08:58:23 AM »
Hi, you can see the pictures in fb page here https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1644130822629124&id=100010966652076
the papaya leaves have stopped growing, they are yellowish, thick and rigid. My friend suspects ringspot virus. The tree has been sprayed with insecticide.
Your suggestions please if it can be healed. Or, would it be better to completely destroy the diseased tree so the disease does not spread?
Thank you!

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i was interested about that too, then i thought it is not safe to grow in 9b zone, even though it is really 10a almost always. I suggest you may ask this seller on Etsy https://www.etsy.com/people/Arvice30 he has answered me similar questions, he has knowledge about such things and is willing to reply.

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Hi! i found some information on the internet, rather ambiguous and contradicting, about Kadsura coccinea. Anyone share personal opinion about it? I know it suits my climate, but how big (long) the vine grows, how big the fruit, what about its pollination, and its value as food.
From experience please, not pasting from sites.

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Hi! the seeds that your partner in USA sent me on April 19, arrived here in Greece yesterday, May 6.
Chañar, super sweet Atemoya, Aratiçu da praia, and Ubajay.
No complications at the post office nor unduly delay. A seamless transaction. This is to say Thank You.

Please let me know when you have new seeds of other plants, for example Jua açu, Inga, or Annona montana.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / information about Annona senegalensis
« on: October 18, 2021, 04:24:05 PM »
Hi, i read about https://www.tradewindsfruit.com/annona-senegalensis-wild-custard-apple-seeds this tree which is said to be great not only for its fruit but also for its flowers and leaves and every part of it. I m still puzzled, because Annonas in general are thought to be dangerous because of annonacin in their leaves, seeds, or peel; also, such a small fruit 5 cm at most, may have very little to eat if it is full of inedible seeds. So, is it worthwhile? Any experience about it?
Thank you!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Trying to find a Tamarillo tree
« on: June 26, 2021, 11:26:37 AM »
it is ridiculous to search for it in Belgium or Europe, America is the richest place in plants. Me living in Greece i can only get plants from Europe, that is mostly Italy and Holland. Don't worry, only persevere, tamarillos are easy plants to grow. I know sibundoyensis is not currently available at tradewindsfruit, but just keep watching that site, it is a reliable site, they only sell live and viable seeds, i buy from them since years and i can give my word for them. Of course, there are nurseries too selling living plants in America, countless times i have found plants sold on line by American nurseries but i was disappointed because normally they do not send plants overseas. For me you sound like the Chinese proverb "holding a lantern and searching for fire". Persevere for three years to have tamarillos in your place, it will reward you, betacea's flowers are so lovely scented! By the way, have you seen huertasurbanas in this forum? Based in Argentina, he sells many good seeds, i recommend his annonaceae.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Trying to find a Tamarillo tree
« on: June 25, 2021, 02:26:27 PM »
Hi, i have grown Cyphomandra Corymbiflora from seed, it grows big but the fruit is not really interesting, it is the size of olive with the taste of cooked eggplant.
Then i bought two little trees from Belgium https://www.andrewsgarden.be/en/special-plants/tamarillo-hybride-cyphomandra-betacea/a-680-35 it is orange color fruited, the leaves are big and glorious and the flowers have a lovable scent, the fruits ripen further if kept after fallen unripe.
I have tried to grow https://www.tradewindsfruit.com/cyphomandra-sibundoyensis-forest-tamarillo-seeds the seeds sprout easily, but no seedlings survived.
Also i bought Casana (cyphomandra cajanumensis) from New Zeland, https://www.edible.co.nz/ all the seeds sprouted, but no seedling survived the winter. Most of them died because they needed a sunny position, protected from animals and insects, also protect from snow during their first year.
So far, only betacea has been satisfactory, but try your luck also with sibundoyensis, it makes quite a bigger fruit that commercial tamarillo (betacea).
All these kinds are easy to grow if you apply basic common sense and wonderful when you see them growing adult, and they all survive a few degrees below freezing after their first year; so  persevere and i m sure you will succeed. Note, the snow may leave them bare branches with tips "burnt off" but they regrow glorious!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: red jaboticaba, quick to fruit
« on: June 25, 2021, 02:05:17 PM »
Açu Paulista seeds have been offered here on the forum for less than that. I got my seeds last summer from another forum member. Keep an eye on the Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade section and some Açu Paulista seeds will probably come up for sale in the near future.
Also, Açu Paulista is not the same variety as the red jaboticaba.

thanks for the information. When your Açu Paulista trees fruit, please let us know, so we confirm that it fruits in 4 years from seed

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / red jaboticaba, quick to fruit
« on: June 23, 2021, 01:38:55 PM »
Hi! today i longed for this: https://www.tradewindsfruit.com/plinia-cauliflora-acu-paulista-seeds but i cannot afford it because i do not have any free space for it, maybe in the future... So, since i cannot have it, i let you know, so my friends, all fruit lovers here, have a chance to enjoy it! cheers!

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thank you Forester and Satya, i don't worry about the taste, there is no food that i cannot like except if unripe, but cassabanana is eaten unripe too. My only worry is about toxicity, are the leaves or seeds toxic? From what you have said, i understand it is not toxic. It must be like an ordinary melon which has bitter seeds and bitter sprouts, but still not toxic, and i do juice melon together with skin and seeds, it gets a touch of bitterness but no problem for me. So i believe i can juice cassabanana together with skin and seeds, without any problem of toxicity, and even eat the seeds from the unripe fruit. Correct me if i mistake it.

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Hi! Yucca capensis is nowhere in the forum yet, still i hope somebody knows about it.

Do you think it is self fertile or not? I can grow at least two of them together, will they set fruit then? What about a single plant?

I hope it is NOT like yucca baccata, that would be bad news as yucca baccata needs a special species of insect to cross pollinate and that special insect is obviously not available away from the plant's native range.

I have only seen the fruit of Yucca capensis in photos, is there anybody here who knows more about that fruit? Or about yuccas in general, aren't there self-fruiting species of yucca?

Thank you.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cassana (sicana odorifera) prospects
« on: June 07, 2021, 08:09:00 AM »
since nobody has replied and still this vine must be familiar to many people, i bring the questions again, so i do not have to experiment with myself to find how safe the plant is

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hi, i asked a similar question about persimmons and nobody answered. After much consideration i m thinking towards position of the trees. Is there enough water and good drainage? Is there plenty of sun? Maybe even overprotection from wind can be harmful. In the case of mango, could those be unpollinated fruits? I have never grown mango up to the fruiting stage, but others may confirm or reject, whether mango needs to be pollinated to set fruit. Other types of fruit set without pollination and hence without seed, but some fruit need to be pollinated. A neighbor has a passiflora caerulaea, its flowers rarely turn to fruit and those fruits are usually empty, skin only, rarely with one or two seeds surrounded by arils, but that does not make an eatable fruit. If that is the case, put a male tree in the middle of six females.

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Hi! i saw somebody on youtube who tried a cassabanana for the first time and said that the leaves and seeds are poisonous. Is there any truth in it? So, if i put whole pieces of a cassabanana in a juicer, will it yield some poison from crushed seeds or maybe from the fruit skin? And then, if you eat it still unripe as a vegetable, would you remove the seeds?
They say it can be grown in temperate areas as a long season annual, but let us suppose i sprout it indoors during April (north hemisphere) in 9b zone and after it sprouts i take it outside, will it grow to bear ripe fruit before winter?
And what will happen if i sow the seeds in June, will it have time to bear fruit?
Thank you for your experience!

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the only guy I know of passed away. There is a supplier in France but he never sent me a reply

Who is that supplier in France? Some address for them? Probably they do not send to America, but maybe to Europe...

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Hi! my persimmon makes lots of flowers, but every year (this year not yet) it drops lots of fruit while they are still unripe during summer. It still produces a good number of ripe fruit during winter. I m not sure what cultivar it is, it is the type that can be eaten only when fully mature, better maturing on the tree. Somebody told me the tree does so because it cannot keep all those fruit. I still don't understand much. If the tree cannot keep the fruit, then why does it make so many fruits to grow almost the size of a ripe fruit and then lets them fall prematurely? And, could the fruit still be preserved (until maturity) by means of adding some fertilizing material, or by means of more pruning? Or by means of what?
Your expertise will be greatly useful on this matter. Thank you!

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