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This is a Florigon?
« on: May 26, 2014, 07:40:45 PM »
I know where I bought this tree a few years ago and I bought a Florigon. It has had some problems but has nice mangoes hanging this year. From what I see on the internet it is a green mango that turns yellow at ripeness. Mine don't look like this. 



Wood is propping up a branch. Fig leaves also seen


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Re: This is a Florigon?
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2014, 07:47:21 PM »
Looks exactly like my Cogshall, but what do I know?

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Re: This is a Florigon?
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2014, 08:34:47 PM »
Those are certainly not Florigon. In the picture I can't really see the shape too well but it could be Cogshall.

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Re: This is a Florigon?
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2014, 08:38:23 PM »
My Florigon's do not have that amount of blush color in them.  They remain green until getting some yellowing as ripening occurs. I would think these are not Florigon.
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Re: This is a Florigon?
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2014, 10:20:26 PM »
Thanks guys! You would know! It must be something else. I'll take better photos when they are ripe.
I have been looking at these mangoes for a few weeks and not knowing what to think. Bought as Florigon but fruits are not what Florigon looks lije when I look at internet images

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Re: This is a Florigon?
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2014, 10:26:09 PM »
Whatever they are, they are lovely. :)

BTW Zands, your Sweet Tart budwood took really well. My VP top-worked tree has not produced this season, I assume because of the grafting work in the Fall, but I look forward to tasting Sweet Tart in 2015!

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Re: This is a Florigon?
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2014, 12:27:12 AM »
Zands - can you take a cloe up picture of that graft.  It could just be the perspective of the picture but it looks like something odd is going on with a branching at the base of the tree, possibly even below the graft.
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Re: This is a Florigon?
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2014, 07:16:19 AM »
Zands - can you take a cloe up picture of that graft.  It could just be the perspective of the picture but it looks like something odd is going on with a branching at the base of the tree, possibly even below the graft.

Very perceptive. Three years ago this tree died all the way to just above the rootstock. Last year Cookie monster took a good look at the graft area and said the new re-growth was from above the graft. IOW not from the rootstock/   This re-growth being where these purplish mangoes are from

But I will take  a few close ups of graft area for you to check out. And if the mangoes are actually growing from the rootstock.....What kind of rootstock mango looks like the mango photos I have posted????  Rootstock turpentine? mangoes look small and ugly I thought
« Last Edit: May 27, 2014, 07:26:36 AM by zands »

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Re: This is a Florigon?
« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2014, 12:17:32 PM »
zands, have you tasted florigon?
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Re: This is a Florigon?
« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2014, 04:02:34 PM »
Just to give you an idea more or less, here is a pic of turpentine mangoes.



Did Jeff graft that tree himself?
Jeff used a glenn rootstock for my carrie mango.


« Last Edit: May 27, 2014, 04:04:09 PM by Tropicalgrower89 »
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Re: This is a Florigon?
« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2014, 04:23:59 PM »
Just to give you an idea more or less, here is a pic of turpentine mangoes.



Did Jeff graft that tree himself?
Jeff used a glenn rootstock for my carrie mango.

Oh no, not a Glenn...you havent heard what happens with Glenn as rootstock?
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Re: This is a Florigon?
« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2014, 05:22:47 PM »
hahaha!
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Re: This is a Florigon?
« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2014, 05:24:08 PM »
Whitman's book clearly states that any FL-grown mango seed will work as rootstock, except of course, Glenn
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Re: This is a Florigon?
« Reply #13 on: May 28, 2014, 10:46:18 AM »
"Whitman's book clearly states that any FL-grown mango seed will work as rootstock, except of course, Glenn
 ;)"


Please enlighten us that are not familiar with the reason why "not" Glenn? Just curious  ;)

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Re: This is a Florigon?
« Reply #14 on: May 28, 2014, 10:50:55 AM »
My experience is that Glenn is a good rootstock.

The late Vivian Murray, from Treehouse Nursery in Pine Island, used to use Glenn as the rootstock for her mango trees.

Even better, Glenn is a great inter stock. Turpentine + Glenn + whatever you want on top.  It works like a charm!

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Re: This is a Florigon?
« Reply #15 on: May 28, 2014, 11:08:03 AM »
"Whitman's book clearly states that any FL-grown mango seed will work as rootstock, except of course, Glenn
 ;)"


Please enlighten us that are not familiar with the reason why "not" Glenn? Just curious  ;)

I was just joking--sorry to mislead you.  Chris Rollins told us last week that any FL-grwn seed can be used, but the nursery trade uses turpentine b/c it's vigorous. 
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Re: This is a Florigon?
« Reply #16 on: May 28, 2014, 11:09:32 AM »
My experience is that Glenn is a good rootstock.

The late Vivian Murray, from Treehouse Nursery in Pine Island, used to use Glenn as the rootstock for her mango trees.

Even better, Glenn is a great inter stock. Turpentine + Glenn + whatever you want on top.  It works like a charm!

Berto, what is the purpose of using an interstock, or 2 rootstocks?  Does it dwarf the tree?  Thanks!
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Re: This is a Florigon?
« Reply #17 on: May 28, 2014, 11:10:06 AM »
zands, have you tasted florigon?

No but I bought it because Florigon is an early mango.

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Re: This is a Florigon?
« Reply #18 on: May 28, 2014, 11:15:27 AM »
haha.  me too.  I saw a video of Har at truly tropical (on another youtube channel), and he sold me on them with his description (though i forget now, why exactly--besides of course, being early).  When I bought the tree, Mike (Bender) commented that it was a good one that's often overlooked.  Definitely looking forward to trying one soon!  Time will tell.
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Re: This is a Florigon?
« Reply #19 on: May 28, 2014, 11:16:19 AM »


Berto, what is the purpose of using an interstock, or 2 rootstocks?  Does it dwarf the tree?  Thanks!

My guess is for a cocktail mango tree. That Glenn is good for top working into a cocktail. Like  a gin fizz or a bloody mango Mary.

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Re: This is a Florigon?
« Reply #20 on: May 28, 2014, 11:20:40 AM »
haha.  me too.  I saw a video of Har at truly tropical (on another youtube channel), and he sold me on them with his description (though i forget now, why exactly--besides of course, being early).  When I bought the tree, Mike (Bender) commented that it was a good one that's often overlooked.  Definitely looking forward to trying one soon!  Time will tell.

Plus it has a cool 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) name.   You know the name comes from Florida + Saigon. That its parent (or one of them) is a SE Asian mango. 1924 without going to wikipedia
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Re: This is a Florigon?
« Reply #21 on: May 28, 2014, 04:03:23 PM »
Just to give you an idea more or less, here is a pic of turpentine mangoes.



Did Jeff graft that tree himself?
Jeff used a glenn rootstock for my carrie mango.

Oh no, not a Glenn...you havent heard what happens with Glenn as rootstock?

Don't scare me like that again. lol  ;)
Alexi