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Mango Family Tree-Need Feedback/Review
« on: August 24, 2020, 07:57:18 AM »
I would like to introduce everyone to the Mango Family Tree.. Please be kind and review and make suggestions..

These are based on guesses and what the Zills and others believe is the seedling or propagating parent. This was a fun project.

I have linked most to a source that has photos and descriptions of the mango variety.

I have gotten approval from the website owner to link to the site.

Mango Tree PDF

https://drive.google.com/file/d/17JUZhNkotWhwgx_R5SVpEcBmFZj9CZ2g/view?usp=sharing

« Last Edit: August 27, 2020, 03:36:30 PM by georgemessiha »

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Re: Mango Family Tree-Need Feedback/Review
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2020, 12:36:34 PM »
WOW! Beautifully done!! Thank you for doing this and sharing.
« Last Edit: August 24, 2020, 12:40:04 PM by roblack »

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« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2020, 01:19:45 PM »
This is outstanding and thank you for sharing!

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Re: Mango Family Tree-Need Feedback/Review
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2020, 02:08:45 PM »
I would like to see some sort of evidence backing up the claim that Alphonso is possibly the parent of Julie.

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Re: Mango Family Tree-Need Feedback/Review
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2020, 05:56:50 PM »
Yes really hard on eyes, I had to enlarge many times but when I finally saw the lineage lines and varieties it feels overwhelming. Where did Julie come from if not Alphonso, any other Indian mango? Probably crossed with Stringies from Jamaica?
Also interesting to know Pickering has Irwin and Turpentine in it. The flow chart certainly needs validation and some correction from the experts here but I think it does feel like someone has put a lot of work into this and I highly appreciate this love for the mangoes.

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Re: Mango Family Tree-Need Feedback/Review
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2020, 06:32:10 PM »
I liked it .
Pretty interesting

I will explain a little confusion though
, and how I found the answers

I am only saying this with the most enthusiasm , and not any negativity
I did enjoy what you have done as someone that enjoys reading on plant , and grape progenies myself.

After your post it would of been nice to link up the variety page of the Site that gave permission
to search these easier

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I have gotten approval from the website owner to link to the site.

Mango Tree PDF

https://drive.google.com/file/d/17JUZhNkotWhwgx_R5SVpEcBmFZj9CZ2g/view?usp=sharing

After showing the PHP
https://www.tropicalacresfarms.com/mangos

This is what I started writing before I realized I could of went to the variety list
I did quickly search the site, but I missed that, and focused on the PHP.

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A lot of clicking though
I would of liked to open in new tabs
 to look at multiple mangos
 to save time, and scroll through each one.
On individual pages more quickly . On the PHP

I did search on tropical Acres farms  (site) though
(what your PHP was named )
I searched

mango tree family
Popped up some
https://www.tropicalacresfarms.com/search-results-page/mango%2520tree%2520family

Until I realized they had a Variety page

I do Respect  all the work you put into this
Just pointing out of people not familiar or not familiar for some time
(as I have read the history of that farm place before many months ago,
but do not grow mangos so may have skipped that section on varieties or forgot
how to Navigate the site -- like I said focused on the PHP ..)

(like I said It can Look at that, and open up Multiple tabs on Tropical acres
and read the links faster )

I read up on brooks  by the way interesting it's the second mango around 1910's

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Re: Mango Family Tree-Need Feedback/Review
« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2020, 06:43:43 PM »
Yes really hard on eyes, I had to enlarge many times but when I finally saw the lineage lines and varieties it feels overwhelming. Where did Julie come from if not Alphonso, any other Indian mango? Probably crossed with Stringies from Jamaica?
Also interesting to know Pickering has Irwin and Turpentine in it. The flow chart certainly needs validation and some correction from the experts here but I think it does feel like someone has put a lot of work into this and I highly appreciate this love for the mangoes.

Here is a post I made a few years ago about the possible origins of Julie: http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=12

There has never been any evidence that is a descendant of Alphonso. It is also most likely not from Jamaica.

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Re: Mango Family Tree-Need Feedback/Review
« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2020, 06:50:29 PM »
I may have not been familiar with that site
 older pictures looked like I saw them some time back
Thanks though.

If I were tasting mangos or wanting to breed with them
 I sure would read about the different ones ,
but looks interesting for others , but maybe some day.

(fruit out of stock for shipping (8/24 at this moment.)

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« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2020, 10:11:06 PM »
Yes really hard on eyes, I had to enlarge many times but when I finally saw the lineage lines and varieties it feels overwhelming. Where did Julie come from if not Alphonso, any other Indian mango? Probably crossed with Stringies from Jamaica?
Also interesting to know Pickering has Irwin and Turpentine in it. The flow chart certainly needs validation and some correction from the experts here but I think it does feel like someone has put a lot of work into this and I highly appreciate this love for the mangoes.

Here is a post I made a few years ago about the possible origins of Julie: http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=12

There has never been any evidence that is a descendant of Alphonso. It is also most likely not from Jamaica.

Interesting forum discussion from 2012. Sheehan, did you ever hear back from the author of the article who claimed Julie was from Reunion? Many Indians travelled to the Caribbean in the early 1800s for the sugarcane plantations and i won't be surprised if it was a monoembryonic seed from brought from a fruit from India at that time. But i think Alphonso was discovered much later so Julie most likely existed before Alphonso.

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« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2020, 06:47:07 AM »
I'm reading a book on Keys history and an account from 1874 said they were growing (among other things) mangos, guavas, avocados, and sapodilla. I wonder what varieties of mangos, etc., they were growing then and from whence they came.

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Re: Mango Family Tree-Need Feedback/Review
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2020, 09:04:38 AM »
I would like to see some sort of evidence backing up the claim that Alphonso is possibly the parent of Julie.

Thanks for the feedback.. I have removed the link..

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Re: Mango Family Tree-Need Feedback/Review
« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2020, 09:08:50 AM »
You could do another version with bigger text, and a picture of the mango might be ok

Thanks for the feedback I made the text bigger I am looking at adding Images or info about Poly vs Mono seed type or Time of year the tree produces fruit.

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Re: Mango Family Tree-Need Feedback/Review
« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2020, 10:33:23 AM »
Chances are, that many or most of the mangos in the Keys in the 1800's were Chupeta mangos from Cuba;  later these were re-named: Turpentine.
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« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2020, 01:05:43 PM »
Awesome!  Thank-you for sharing.  I know that you put in a lot of effort on this...if it was easy, I'm sure it would have been done by now.  Thank-you again.

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« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2020, 09:12:22 PM »
What great and interesting information, Har! I had no idea the Turpentine Mango had such a far-reaching history!

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Re: Mango Family Tree-Need Feedback/Review
« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2020, 01:46:24 PM »
Thanks for the info and the Link.. I will include it in my next update..

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Re: Mango Family Tree-Need Feedback/Review
« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2020, 11:46:41 AM »
Thanks for the feedback perhaps I will color based on the Country of Origin..

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« Reply #17 on: September 03, 2020, 05:01:56 PM »
I am surprised at how central haden,keitt,kent,carrie and tommy atkins are. I am not a fan of any of those.

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« Reply #18 on: September 03, 2020, 10:08:19 PM »
Other descendents of 'Bombay' are 'Jakarta' and 'Zill'80'.  [The first name for Jakarta mango was "Bombay seedling."]

I believe that Tete Nene/Dwarf Hawaiian is a descendant of Julie.
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« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2020, 12:49:49 AM »
Great thread, thanks for putting all this together!

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« Reply #20 on: September 08, 2020, 03:54:31 PM »
From my own notes (largely based on the tropical acres farms site):

Dot: "Originally it was speculated to be a Carrie seedling, though USDA pedigree analysis estimated it was from ‘Zill’, to which it also probably bears more resemblance in terms of shape and ripening traits."

While Edward and Gary are the parents of Coconut Cream, they're also the parents of "Seacrest/Triple Sec" and of the appropriately named "Edgar"

E-4/Sugarloaf has both Edward and Pettigrew (or possibly Gary) in its parentage.

TAF lists Cecilove as a cross between Carrie and ZINC and Jakarta as Kent and (likely) Bombay. Also, Kent is a hybrid between Brooks and Haden.

Zill's O-15 is from Jakarta

Spirit of '76 is a natural cross between Haden and Zill


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Re: Mango Family Tree-Need Feedback/Review
« Reply #21 on: September 11, 2020, 05:15:45 PM »
Thanks I will add these soon and update.. Keep the comments coming.. Thanks for all the help..

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« Reply #22 on: September 11, 2020, 05:54:01 PM »
This kind of project is very worthwhile and it was well done. Haden being so central makes sense. Maybe the title should reflect hat is is mainly the Floridian branch of the family. One for Australia would look really different with KP at the centre of all locally developed varieties with numerous Asian and Floridian mangoes just appearing.

 

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