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Osage Orange interest: fruits or seeds
« on: October 07, 2020, 03:43:08 PM »
Hello, just throwing this out here, would anyone be interested in fresh Osage orange fruit or seeds?

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Re: Osage Orange interest: fruits or seeds
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2020, 04:47:44 PM »
Osage orange is a great rootstock for che...Other than that, it makes a great baseball ;)

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Re: Osage Orange interest: fruits or seeds
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2020, 08:53:57 PM »
Or small bowling ball. You could use them as paperweights as well

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Re: Osage Orange interest: fruits or seeds
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2020, 09:43:02 PM »
No No A Haloween Decoration
I have some dried still after 6 or more years it looks different every year more shrunken like a dried monkey brain or something
One I have dried Big but with density like styrofoam lightweight too..

I actually believe these to keep out roaches (and spiders) We do not have them ,
but I saw something, and am convinced ,  but it is a long story.
 (about traveling, and roaches getting into stuff or buying stuff with roaches )

A lot of Centipede (picture below) do lay their eggs in them though or eat them (good for eating garden pests)
A lot of baby new born ones were coming out of the rotten ones by my stuff out side this spring I mean a lot.
(has nothing to do with my story of a repellent )

I think a cool redish brick like color could be made from the rotten fruit as well never tried a mortar on it though.

I have some too in Northern IL. (-20 F)
would like some in TX or Louisiana for che rootstock far south (new Orleans Louisiana or NOLA)



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Re: Osage Orange interest: fruits or seeds
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2020, 09:52:35 PM »
My New Orleans Friends would probably like a stout tree
this is why osage orange is used Che on it's own roots is suppose to sucker  lot

this makes me wonder though
IS this just one of those things spread all over the internet , and actually not true? (is this a copy/paste thing)

First people want to prune trees short into a bush
then a tall tree like Osage they want to use for rootstock.

I have always wondered will have to ask around.
I wonder if you train the trees to a solid couple tree trunks if it will matter in the long run.

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Re: Osage Orange interest: fruits or seeds
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2020, 11:06:59 PM »
I need seeds, pretty desperately.  I was stratifying them in moist peat and someone threw them out or something.  I ordered another 500 from treeseeds.com in September and they never arrived, and even after I contacted them they still are not here.

I graft che onto them and would love to have some for spring 2021.  Its a longshot at this point, but maybe a heated mat and growing in controlled enviornment....

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Re: Osage Orange interest: fruits or seeds
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2020, 08:30:47 AM »
How much are you selling the seeds for? Might be interested in a handful. Good tree for hardwood posts etc. Also would want to graft che to a few someday.
Trying to grow it all!

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Re: Osage Orange interest: fruits or seeds
« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2020, 12:16:08 PM »
Seeds seem to be doing okay with my extraction method by freezing ,
I have found some that froze, and dried , and naturally freeze dried out side so tryin to replicate that
(from 10 OZ to 2 OZ. the largest I have is 1 1/2 pounds)

I already half froze, and smashed on the ground, and they turned soft
you do that when using hard fruit to turn soft for using in wine.

I re froze after letting them thaw I am trying to make them like the naturally freeze dried ones

I found this cool site
and have a few more about them

a quote from the site, and pictures of wood
http://osageorangefarm.yolasite.com/testimonials.php

 A new class of lectins has been isolated from Osage Orange- prenylated isoflavones. The prenylated isoflavones are pomiferin and osajin.


another good looking site mentioned a lot looking this fruit up, but looks to have changed to another site
 (as you can see if you look up the original site it is a furniture site,
 so found that off there other site this is the right site, but they are the same people)
https://hedgeapplefruit.com/

Oh, and do not forget this wood burns hot
some people claim it could even wreak a cast iron wood burning stove

some more on eat the weeds as well
https://www.eattheweeds.com/maclura-pomifera-the-edible-inedible-2/















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Re: Osage Orange interest: fruits or seeds
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2020, 03:14:05 PM »
Freeze dried fruit looks like this only 2 OZ, and not 10 OZ
This is naturally dried out doors

The second picture is also freeze dried, but the smaller one is over 5 years old put out for Halloween
ever year it looks different it is solid as a rock, and told my nieces it was a dried Monkey Brain








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Re: Osage Orange interest: fruits or seeds
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2020, 05:14:23 AM »
Dang guys. I apologize. I have not checked this board until now. I can source much more than 500 seeds if need be. On my campus there are about a dozen or so trees that’s produce fruits. The trees are in Nashville so they get temps up to the 90s and down to the teens. Very old trees. I can take a look when I get back to campus and if anything grab some next time it’s in season. I don’t really have a price point right now. Just PM me and give me a number. More than happy to meet the demand.

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Re: Osage Orange interest: fruits or seeds
« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2020, 12:05:10 PM »
Do not worry here   or D grower I am freeze drying fruit like I found naturally to save on weight.

Do you have 1 1/2 pound ones cool to offer scions if you have a tree to graft to on your property

I was just looking at how they  selected goldenrod to grow huge for latex at least the ford motor company did around the 1920's
would be cool to breed these bigger for landscaping interest think you could do it a lazy way
since plants are either male or female (diocieus) 
no cutting the male parts off hermaphrodite flowers to prevent self pollinating
 just throw your experiements into the wild, and select as time passes.

Do you have a way to separate seeds ?
online they say it is a messy job, but I do not think so pretty easy if you experiment.

https://sternrubber.com/blog/rubber-wizard-menlo-park



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Re: Osage Orange interest: fruits or seeds
« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2020, 02:59:36 PM »
I gathered some osage oranges from a tree near my office last year and let them sit outside all winter.  In the spring I tore the rotted fruits apart and planted 24 seeds or so.  Not a single one sprouted.  The fruit was very sticky and tough, it was difficult to extract the seeds.

If your freezer method works better let me know.

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Re: Osage Orange interest: fruits or seeds
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2020, 02:42:14 AM »
Sorry for all the editing, do not want to rewrite this post, and need to do some important thing tomorrow early, and sleepy)

Wow looks like I extracted latex (for bubble gum now I need to dry it, and see if it is still the texture of pine sap)

Yeah Brian since your not shipping I think your better off setting them in a oven on 150 to 200 to dry whole fruit.
or if you do not want to dry in oven first (let rot outside, dry in sun)

The fruit I had dried whole out side sprouted fine
I did leave seeds out, whole fruit (edit that rotted) I think after (that) you should dry fruit (in sun pressing into flat disks)

those I did grew ,
 but I cannot give a 100 percent positivity that soaking fruit to extract seeds is bad after they have rotted storing outside
since a mouse ate a gallon zip lock bag full, and I thought at least a few seeds would be left behind, but mine didn't sprout either.

Setting outside to rot, and drying fruit did grow for me
they were hard, and flat(ish) like pancakes so for that reason I am positive  they did rot as well but grew fine after drying.

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Re: Osage Orange interest: fruits or seeds
« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2020, 02:55:37 AM »


Yeah Brian since your not shipping I think your better off setting them in a oven on 150 to 200 to dry whole fruit.



I have not tried this yet, but have set even a wet cucumber to dry in oven takes about 8 hours for a wet cucumber, but they have less water
Not sure if the latex will do something ,
( but I am getting at better to dry, and store out side in cold for cold stratification dry maybe reason to break open to extract seeds or plant whole dry fruit)

I will see so report back (hopefully)

Since I am doing 10 different ones, some I am doing different So
Also setting in freezer I find good to take out after set in water that really gets them soft
No need to smash frozen  like I mentioned to bruise them, but if you have kids I don't fun to see who could bounce the highest
(note my water I used to soak had ice from outside pot do not know if that matters, and olive oil residue )