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Sumo Citrus
« on: December 24, 2020, 10:27:40 PM »
Season start in 10 days.
Do you guys pick and eat on the spot?
Or pick and eat 3 days later after vitamin C lowered?
Or store 20-40 days like in an article about Japanese secret aging?

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Re: Sumo Citrus
« Reply #1 on: December 25, 2020, 02:31:31 AM »
I picked 3 fruits already and ate 2 last week and 1 this week. They tasted good to me, sweet but with a little acid.
I will probably wait on the other fruits until end of Jan.

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Re: Sumo Citrus
« Reply #2 on: December 25, 2020, 07:57:52 AM »
Yes I'm waiting until February to pick and eat the 4 fruit on my tree.

I'm not familiar with the aging concept with citrus.

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Re: Sumo Citrus
« Reply #3 on: December 25, 2020, 12:09:51 PM »



Tree in a 15G pot
First time fruiting
Only 3 fruits so I’ll wait until February like you all.

Last year season started in April.
Season very early this year

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Re: Sumo Citrus
« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2020, 05:30:14 PM »
Seanny, nice fruits. My in-ground grafted sumo gets a bunch on the one branch and it looks like some more are ripe. I usually can tell by checking the weight of my fruits, if its heavy it is good to go. I will pick a few more and wait for end of Jan to pick the rest. I'm interested in seeing what the inside of my strange octopus sumo fruit but will let it go to the very end of season.

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Re: Sumo Citrus
« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2020, 05:31:33 PM »
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Re: Sumo Citrus
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2021, 04:51:25 PM »
2022 season starts in 15 days.
Anyone eating it now?



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Re: Sumo Citrus
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2021, 07:51:04 PM »
I've been eating them for weeks.  They were sour for a while but are sweet now, I expect the will continue to sweeten for weeks

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Re: Sumo Citrus
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2021, 01:53:56 AM »
I have been picking some for the last 2 weeks as well but still not sweet, more acid than sweet even though fruit looks ripe color. Last year the best tasting for me was in Jan-Feb. March was to late and fruit was not as juicy.

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Re: Sumo Citrus
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2021, 02:40:35 PM »



I cut 1 try.

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Re: Sumo Citrus
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2021, 11:27:49 AM »
I have been picking some for the last 2 weeks as well but still not sweet, more acid than sweet even though fruit looks ripe color. Last year the best tasting for me was in Jan-Feb. March was to late and fruit was not as juicy.

VI 860   SHIRANUI MANDARIN that i grafted in june 2020. I tried first fruit on 18th of dec. The color had not fully turned. I just wanted to try it to see how it changes over the coming months. No seeds found on this particular fruit. Very acid with a brix of 13. I expect allowing acidity to settle for a month would produce a very good fruit. Texture was “meaty” the individual vesicles are distinct and produce a unique experience compared to other mandarins and oranges. Definitely looking forward to the remaining fruit in a month or so.   

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Re: Sumo Citrus
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2021, 02:01:10 PM »
I’m glad I read this thread. I planted a shiranui this year but since it is mandarin, I assumed it would ripen when my other satsumas and Changsha mandarin ripen in late November and December. So, I should wait until January or February for my shiranui fruit, huh?

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Re: Sumo Citrus
« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2021, 02:19:01 PM »
Yes, I have several grafted sumo scions on many of my trees and some are 4 yrs old. The taste of the fruits will get better on the older trees. I do see half of my grafted sumo with fruits which may look ripe (fully colored orange) but if you taste them now it is still not sweet. It's edible but just a little sweetness and mostly acidic. Here's another fruit I picked a few weeks back that looks ripe, let it sit on the counter for 2 wks to see if it gets sweeter but not really. Still needs to hang on the tree until Jan-Feb here for me in SoCal.

My older branches have much larger fruits and they are still green, probably will not turn color for another month. If I wait until end of Jan to mid-Feb the fruits taste seems to be the best. Last year I waited until March but the fruit was past it full ripeness and it wasn't as good as the ones from Feb.


Here's the flat sumo fruit I picked, no seeds, and ate on 12/17/21. Still not sweet, but more acid taste as Goyo said.











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Re: Sumo Citrus
« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2021, 05:02:49 PM »
My Sumos are just stating to show some yellow they are still about 90% green.

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Re: Sumo Citrus
« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2021, 05:19:45 PM »
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Re: Sumo Citrus
« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2021, 08:00:59 AM »
Yes, I have several grafted sumo scions on many of my trees and some are 4 yrs old. The taste of the fruits will get better on the older trees. I do see half of my grafted sumo with fruits which may look ripe (fully colored orange) but if you taste them now it is still not sweet. It's edible but just a little sweetness and mostly acidic. Here's another fruit I picked a few weeks back that looks ripe, let it sit on the counter for 2 wks to see if it gets sweeter but not really. Still needs to hang on the tree until Jan-Feb here for me in SoCal.

My older branches have much larger fruits and they are still green, probably will not turn color for another month. If I wait until end of Jan to mid-Feb the fruits taste seems to be the best. Last year I waited until March but the fruit was past it full ripeness and it wasn't as good as the ones from Feb.


Here's the flat sumo fruit I picked, no seeds, and ate on 12/17/21. Still not sweet, but more acid taste as Goyo said.








Hi! Shiranui/sumo fruits can be flat? I have one growing like yours and think i was cheated because i never saw any flat sumo... it's the first fruit...

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Re: Sumo Citrus
« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2021, 06:54:25 PM »
Yes, I have many different sumo/shiranui budwood cuttings that were ordered in different years from the UCR budwood program and the ones I recently grafted in 2019 and 2020 have mostly flat fruits like in the photos above. But on the same grafted branches there are also some fruits with the big neck. Most of my older grafts from 2017 all have fruits with the big neck only.
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Re: Sumo Citrus
« Reply #17 on: December 21, 2021, 08:33:03 PM »
Some of the neck on the Sumo comes from one it parent the Ponkan mandarin.
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Re: Sumo Citrus
« Reply #18 on: December 22, 2021, 05:24:48 AM »
Thank's! It's just the first fruit, so it's too soon to take any conclusion... i will post pics of the fruit when he gets matured...  ;D

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Re: Sumo Citrus
« Reply #19 on: December 22, 2021, 11:21:50 PM »
Ate mine.
More sour than sweet.

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Re: Sumo Citrus
« Reply #20 on: December 23, 2021, 12:35:56 AM »
I just picked another flat shaped sumo today and tasted it since it felt like it was ripe (softer than others). It turned out to still be more acid than sweet. I also noticed there is something different about these flat sumo fruits. I found 6 seeds in one fruit which is not normal for sumo. Maybe the UCR trees have some bad varieties mixed in with the real ones. I have never seen 6 seeds in one sumo before (the ones with bump/neck). I still have about 8 more fruits on the grafted branches from 2019 with the flat shaped fruits so I will leave the rest on the tree until my other sumo fruits (with neck) are ripe in Jan-Feb to compare the taste.


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Re: Sumo Citrus
« Reply #21 on: December 23, 2021, 02:12:36 AM »
My 2019 grafted branches have fruits with no bump and the one I ate today had 6 seeds. I will let these hang as long as possible (Jan-Feb) so I can compare the taste with my other sumo with bumps.

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Re: Sumo Citrus
« Reply #22 on: December 23, 2021, 02:14:42 AM »
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Re: Sumo Citrus
« Reply #23 on: December 23, 2021, 11:35:35 AM »
My fruit above had many seeds.
1 segment had 3 seeds.


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Re: Sumo Citrus
« Reply #24 on: December 23, 2021, 01:11:41 PM »
The fruit on my Ponkan tree (a parent of Sumo) has much more of a neck than SC400's fruit shown above.

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Re: Sumo Citrus
« Reply #25 on: December 23, 2021, 02:19:48 PM »
sc4001992,

Is it possible somehow it is mixed with Kiyomi?   Kiyomi fruits can get 200g seedless or, if pollinated,with some seeds.

The fruits on your pics do look similar to the Kiyomi pics on web.

My "sumo" fruits look very similar to yours but I will wait for one or two more months to pick up. 

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« Reply #26 on: December 23, 2021, 02:28:04 PM »
Millet, same here, my Ponkan fruit has more of a neck than these sumo fruits and the sumo branches are grafted on the Ponkan tree.



Eric, no I double checked my grafted labels, these are not Kiyomi, I have that grafted on this same tree so it's easy for me to compare the fruits side by side. Also the leaves and growth habit is different. I know these photos are all sumo, each branch I have labeled (9/2019, shiranui). No mistake this time, the last photo I took of the fruit comparision may have been a mistake but not these. If you look at the photos, it was taken on the rooftop where all the grafted fruits are accessible.

The photo showing the Ponkan fruit is the main tree, and on this tree I have the Sumo, Kiyomi, and other varieties grafted on them so I know where each branch is grafted (also with tags).

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Re: Sumo Citrus
« Reply #27 on: December 23, 2021, 02:30:23 PM »
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« Reply #28 on: January 03, 2022, 02:41:50 AM »
This may explain why there seems to be different shaped Shiranui/Sumo fruits from the CCPP budwood order and why some have seeds.

They say in the description of Shiranui in the citrusvariety database that "DK, 02/09/2020: there are three accessions of ’Shiranui’ legally present"

https://citrusvariety.ucr.edu/citrus/CRC4249.html

Also if you read further into the notes, it states "TJSW, 12/12/2019:" they found many seeds in the fruits they grow.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dekopon


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« Reply #29 on: January 03, 2022, 10:23:06 AM »
Here's some shiranui/sumo fruits I picked this weekend. These are budwood that I grafted from UCR, VI-860, on 2019.









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« Reply #30 on: January 09, 2022, 06:22:01 PM »
 Last year my Sumo tree had 3 fruits.
Those fruits were seedless.

This year that same tree has 18 fruits.
I ate 1 fruit.
It had way too many seeds.

I may net tree this spring to see if fruits have seeds later.

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« Reply #31 on: January 09, 2022, 06:30:35 PM »
I picked more/most of the sumo fruits from my 2019 grafted branches since the fruit seemed to have a little give when you squeeze it. Most of the fruits did not have seeds, but they still do not taste good, not sweet yet. I will wait until mid-Feb to pick the last bunch from my 2017 grafted branches. I noticed that these sumo fruits do not get as sweet as the ones from the asian markets.

If I compare the taste of Ponkan with Sumo, the Ponkan is much sweeter (consistently) even though it has some seeds (3-6 in each fruit).
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« Reply #32 on: January 10, 2022, 06:25:42 PM »
Is the sweetness for Sumo a result of cumulative heat units like for grapefruit?
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« Reply #33 on: January 10, 2022, 09:58:37 PM »
I've eaten almost all of mine already, only a half dozen left on the tree.  They were fairly sour in December, but have been becoming sweeter since Christmas and now are quite good.  My waist-high tree had 30-40 fruits this season, it is quite productive.

I have been hacking back quite a few of my in-ground citrus trees (mostly blood oranges), but this one will stay another year and quite possibly for a very long time. 

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« Reply #34 on: January 11, 2022, 03:30:06 AM »
Yorgos, I read that the sumo farmers have another process they follow after the fruits are picked. They wait about another 30days to let the acid go away and then the sweetness comes out. But if you wait until its fully ripe on the tree then it should taste pretty decent. For me it would be optimum at end of Feb.

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« Reply #35 on: January 11, 2022, 02:03:07 PM »
sc4001992,

The potential downside to have the fruits hanging on tree is that it may supress the spring blooming.  This process may turn the tree into alternative bearing, which is often seen with late ripe citrus trees.  Gold nugget is typical this way.

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« Reply #36 on: January 11, 2022, 03:52:56 PM »
Eric,

I rather eat good tasting sumo than to pick it early and it isn't sweet and not worth eating yet.

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« Reply #37 on: January 11, 2022, 07:54:23 PM »
sc4001992,

I am with you for the taste of citrus fruits.   My gold nugget has about 300 fruits which are just about to turn color.   I remembered it will get sweet in March but really sweet in May or June. 
To reduce the alternative bearing, the fruits will have to be picked in March but the fruits will be bland.

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« Reply #38 on: January 12, 2022, 01:18:17 AM »
Seems like people in San Diego have fruits ripen later than here in Orange County. All my citrus completely ripens by March. I have been eating my Gold Nuggets now, also have hundreds on the tree. My Honey murcot and A. murcot fruits are all ripening now and it is sweet.

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« Reply #39 on: January 12, 2022, 07:41:18 PM »
In SD, due to the ocean - desert (~20 miles) with conflicting temperature and winds,  plus hills, canon, channals, each zipcode or sub-zipcod has micro weather which varies a lot and day to day.

I tasted a Gold Nuggets fruit today.  It is solid like a rock and has a trace of sweet with strong sourness.  Will be patient.

 

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