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An identification request for CitrusPages.
« on: November 02, 2021, 12:36:50 PM »
An identification request from Thailand:
"In Vietnam we have a kind of big citrus fruit but we do not know its scientific name, could you please classify it for us.
Many thanks in advance .







I know we've already had this discussion for the Disneyland citrus fruit. But the answer was not obvious...

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Re: An identification request for CitrusPages.
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2021, 12:43:02 PM »
Sylvain, is a picture possible?

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« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2021, 03:44:25 PM »
Any idea what the name is in Vietnamese ??

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Re: An identification request for CitrusPages.
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2021, 05:43:20 PM »

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Re: An identification request for CitrusPages.
« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2021, 05:04:06 AM »
> Any idea what the name is in Vietnamese ??
No but I shall ask.

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Re: An identification request for CitrusPages.
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2021, 01:00:42 PM »

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Re: An identification request for CitrusPages.
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2021, 04:47:28 PM »
I don't speak vietnamese but I gathered some info from a reverse image search - these terms popped up
chanh yen
cy kỳ đ
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chanh yen khon lo
Cy "Thanh Yn" is citron tree in their language.

The fruit the woman in 3rd pic is buying seems to be a "Cy bưởi kỳ đ" - https://vietnamnet.vn/vn/kinh-doanh/thi-truong/qua-ky-da-khong-lo-713448.html and also in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y51fUwP3IMI

https://nongdan24g.wordpress.com/2015/07/13/chanh-3kg-gan-nua-trieu-chuoi-nang-2kg-hut-ba-noi-tro-viet/
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https://khoahoc.tv/qua-chanh-khong-lo-nang-3-5kg-o-lam-dong-34842
partial translation: "According to Mr. Bui Van Sang - owner of Muoi Loi flower garden, this is a variety of Yen lemon (also known as Thanh Yen) originating from India, Burma, and the Mediterranean region." - the farmer in this article is the one used in that etsy link above
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https://eva.vn/nha-dep/phat-sot-voi-nhung-loai-chanh-doc-nhat-vo-nhi-hut-hon-cac-ba-noi-tro-viet-c169a290814.html
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EDIT: pretty sure its some sort of citron - http://cayhoacanh.com/cay-thanh-yen-huong-vi-kho-quen/

Besides what Millet showed (vietnamese giant lime) I also did a simple reverse image seearch on the 1st image (the 2nd one with the rounded fruit) and one result that popped up was "balang", a sort of iranian citron
https://paradisenursery.com/product/balang-tree/
https://iranicaonline.org/articles/balang-citron-the-fruit-of-a-species-of-citrus-tree-citrus-medica-cedrata

LONG LINK incoming
https://www.google.com/search?sa=X&hl=en&q=qu%E1%BA%A3+chanh+to+nh%E1%BA%A5t&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&tbs=simg:CAES8wEJvZbM2po-bfMa5wELELCMpwgaOgo4CAQSFIYDrj6INs0VlzuLIq8w8RmoLdU0GhpKwjdZFkAgLrnGnr6q6ARYCBq8ICBPDfwflSAFMAQMCxCOrv4IGgoKCAgBEgQuibUFDAsQne3BCRqHAQoZCgZjaXRyb27apYj2AwsKCS9tLzAyMDU0eAoYCgVnb3VyZNqliPYDCwoJL20vMDExamJuCiAKDW5hdHVyYWwgZm9vZHPapYj2AwsKCS9tLzA4dGxiagoWCgRwZWFy2qWI9gMKCggvbS8wNjFfZgoWCgR0cmVl2qWI9gMKCggvbS8wN2o3cgw&fir=YnR2ggqRrd6yuM%252CPRXWlc7jVVZxNM%252C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kRxIrF_Ny1efsSQcq1lOC2DInosNQ&ved=2ahUKEwi63cCwhf3zAhX0TDABHYoACiIQ9QF6BAgHEAE&biw=1398&bih=770&dpr=2#imgrc=MqCImr2fBf8DWM
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Re: An identification request for CitrusPages.
« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2021, 08:34:54 PM »
Yes it seems its name is Kỳ Đ.
It is called pummelo, lime, lemon or citron.
In some video we can see the leaves. Short not winged petiole and articulate leave.Then it is not a pommelo nor a citron.
Lemons originate in Mediterranean region.
The last possibility is lime...
Now we need a proof. 

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Re: An identification request for CitrusPages.
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2021, 08:24:54 AM »
For what its worth, my Viet colleague read over the article and when asked what variety they specifically refer to it as he said "They just called it "buoi", which is literally called Pomelo in English"

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« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2021, 11:13:47 AM »
Yes, but the shape of the leaves don't fit this.

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« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2021, 04:45:21 PM »
"They just called it "buoi"

In my experience it is hard to ask a native speaker about Citrus, as peoples knowledge varies so greatly, especially for more rare types.

It's my guess its possibly a Citron Pommelo hybrid ??
An image of the seeds would be helpful.

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« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2021, 07:44:37 AM »
Bưởi is pomelo and Bưởi Kỳ Đ is pomelo ky Da.

> In my experience it is hard to ask a native speaker about Citrus, as peoples knowledge varies so greatly, especially for more rare types.
That's true.

> It's my guess its possibly a Citron Pommelo hybrid ??
Don't forget, the leave is articulated and the petiole is not winged. It is nearer from lime or lemon than citron or pomelo.

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Re: An identification request for CitrusPages.
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2021, 09:25:36 AM »
They also refer to it as a "giant grapefruit", grown out of Tuyen Quang and Hoa Binh: https://vinlove.net/2021/02/13/giant-grapefruit-10-kg-fruit-hanoi-people-scour-to-buy-for-tet/



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Re: An identification request for CitrusPages.
« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2021, 05:11:14 PM »
I just got seeds of them...   ::)

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« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2021, 05:15:16 PM »
I just got seeds of them...   ::)

Can you post an image of the seed ??
Citron seeds are fairly distinct, and Pummelo seeds are fairly distinct so it may give some clues.

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« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2021, 02:20:42 PM »
I just got seeds of them...   ::)

Can you post an image of the seed ??
Citron seeds are fairly distinct, and Pummelo seeds are fairly distinct so it may give some clues.
Ok when they arrive i post pics

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« Reply #16 on: December 23, 2021, 05:17:14 AM »
I just got seeds of them...   ::)

Can you post an image of the seed ??
Citron seeds are fairly distinct, and Pummelo seeds are fairly distinct so it may give some clues.
Sorry i didn't remember about this thread...

The photo of the seeds... good seeds by the way...   ::)



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« Reply #17 on: December 23, 2021, 10:07:46 PM »
I just got seeds of them...   ::)

Can you post an image of the seed ??
Citron seeds are fairly distinct, and Pummelo seeds are fairly distinct so it may give some clues.
Sorry i didn't remember about this thread...

The photo of the seeds... good seeds by the way...   ::)



I realize that there has been quite a discussion in this already, but for what it is worth every lime seed I can recall seeing was tear drop shaped with no wing. I associate winged seeds with grapefruit, pomello, and oranges. I am thinking that this must be a hybrid citrus.

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« Reply #18 on: December 24, 2021, 04:16:29 AM »
Thank's!  :)

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« Reply #19 on: December 24, 2021, 03:37:35 PM »
The seeds don't look like pure Citron seeds, or even Lemon seeds.
Agree, It's more likely a hybrid, but that is expected.
I wonder what this fruit is used for ?? That's a lot of lime / lime juice in one hit.
The Alemow or Colo, Citrus macrophylla is cooked whole in stews in the Phillipines.

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« Reply #20 on: December 24, 2021, 05:18:39 PM »
The seeds don't look like pure Citron seeds, or even Lemon seeds.
Agree, It's more likely a hybrid, but that is expected.
I wonder what this fruit is used for ?? That's a lot of lime / lime juice in one hit.
The Alemow or Colo, Citrus macrophylla is cooked whole in stews in the Phillipines.
It's sweet. On contrary of pomelo they eat the flesh and white part... and skin to make tea. All fruit is used!   :P

 

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