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What kind of avocados would you buy?

Hass
28 (13.2%)
Reed
47 (22.2%)
Nabal
23 (10.8%)
Sharwil
47 (22.2%)
Gem
20 (9.4%)
Carmen
11 (5.2%)
Lamb
7 (3.3%)
Pinkerton
29 (13.7%)

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Re: Avocado poll
« Reply #50 on: January 06, 2022, 12:37:33 AM »
Yes they will flower but they will also make leaves and push new stems.  Yes remove flowers on any tree that is too small too hold fruit. IE just grafted this year. 

For me it gets too hot here in March and April so its better to graft now.  If you live somewhere cooler, you have more flexibility in when you choose to graft your avocados. 
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« Reply #51 on: January 06, 2022, 05:27:54 PM »
Yes they will flower but they will also make leaves and push new stems.  Yes remove flowers on any tree that is too small too hold fruit. IE just grafted this year. 

For me it gets too hot here in March and April so its better to graft now.  If you live somewhere cooler, you have more flexibility in when you choose to graft your avocados.

Thank you. I grafted a couple seedlings in mid November and now the buds are starting to come alive.  I read your posts on avo grafting s along with illustrated pictures.  They are very helpful.

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« Reply #52 on: January 06, 2022, 05:49:10 PM »
i looked up oxnard on the map.  its very close to the ocean so you can graft probably anytime you want.  its best to use budwood from late winter though I think.  theres been studies done by old time ca avocado growers where the tried grafting all times of year and saving scions for 6 months and trying it vs the fresh stuff.  and the result was scion wood taken in january or february worked best even when used much later in the year and compared to fresh cut summer scion. 

i looked at the thermometer today it was 84 here!
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« Reply #53 on: January 07, 2022, 12:57:44 AM »
84...wow
It's like mid 60s here.
Thank you for looking my place up and the advice.  Will graft a couple more avos tomorrow since the scion buds I have are really plump and swollen.

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« Reply #54 on: February 05, 2022, 10:16:20 PM »
Kahalu is a small kid in comparison with my Lolo avocado.

Yeah the lolo killed the kahalu I tried. 
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« Reply #55 on: February 26, 2022, 06:22:33 PM »
I was out in Morro Bay for lunch today and decided to stop by Morro Creek Ranch to buy some avocados. $1.50 for either Hass or Lamb Hass... haven't bothered to stop there in a while since Righetti or others in Arroyo Grande seems better (CalPoly's was even better).

I just thought of you Mark! Seems like they have the better stuff on site vs mail order!





COVID must be over now cause there were so many tourists at the warf! Friends said business is good again and hopefully the spending continues even though prices have to go up due to increasing costs, food and labor.

Saw some people buy a live dungeness crab for $35!!! ($20/LB). Even cooked rock crab claws were $15/lb.

Brad's got the right idea with his Amazon Avocado forest :)

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I just wish there was a way to buy Cali avocados mail order.  Used to buy from Morro Creek Ranch Avocados many years ago but got a shipment of some really nasty fruit one year and quit. 


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« Reply #56 on: February 27, 2022, 03:24:21 AM »
Have you tried the Brogdon? Iíve heard good things. Iím looking for any cold hardy varieties (I guess pretty much all Mexican?) that taste ok or better...

I understand commercial and even small farm applications, but Iím curious as to why backyard growers donít cocktail more trees? Too unreliable? Uneven growth? I would like some zutano etc. blooms but I donít want to sacrifice an entire treeís space to have it, Iíd rather just have a couple branches.

Iím on your page Brad, prefer to grow hardy seedlings out and top work later, the problem is that weather is too unpredictable here in gulf Texas. Everything I got from you last month I topworked then we hit 26 for 4 hrs. I wrapped them up, maybe one bacon and one zutano made it... the rest are toast. By late March-April it will be way too hot. I prefer November grafts, I guess Iím going to have to cold frame and Macguyver heat for better success

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« Reply #57 on: February 27, 2022, 03:41:36 AM »
The weather here is crap too.  Its 90F and super dry windy one week then the next is cold and wet and frost.  Very difficult to do avocado grafting outside exposed to the elements here as well.  Stone fruit and annonas etc are much more forgiving.   Avocado grafts hate the dry air when they push through the tape or frost.  Real PITA. 
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« Reply #58 on: February 27, 2022, 03:55:07 AM »
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« Reply #59 on: February 27, 2022, 01:55:16 PM »
I saw that pretty avocado picture on page two of your survey. Just out of curiosity do you know how big the adult tree is?

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« Reply #60 on: March 06, 2022, 09:10:38 AM »
I was out in Morro Bay for lunch today and decided to stop by Morro Creek Ranch to buy some avocados. $1.50 for either Hass or Lamb Hass... haven't bothered to stop there in a while since Righetti or others in Arroyo Grande seems better (CalPoly's was even better).

I just thought of you Mark! Seems like they have the better stuff on site vs mail order!






Seems that way!   Years ago all I got was black, rotting fruit with strings. 


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« Reply #61 on: March 06, 2022, 09:14:17 AM »
Have you tried the Brogdon? Iíve heard good things. Iím looking for any cold hardy varieties (I guess pretty much all Mexican?) that taste ok or better...

Yep, not bad, recommended by Pine Island Nursery.  Top worked it several times.  It's now holding a newly grafted GEM that is about to explode in blooms.

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« Reply #62 on: March 06, 2022, 09:20:59 AM »
GEM, Feb. 22.  Buds just now opening.  My 10' Sharwil has been blooming for weeks.  Flies really like it. Bees not so much.



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« Reply #63 on: March 06, 2022, 09:24:41 AM »
Brad, what do you know about maluma?  I've hooked up with a Aggie doctor in Weslaco who's an avocado specialist.  He raved about it.  He's working with Mary Lu regarding varieties suited for the RGV (Rio Grande Valley).  It was a shock to hear their low was only 21F during ice storm Uri.  Mine was 3F, 5 storms in all keeping us isolated and below freezing for many days.
     

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« Reply #64 on: March 06, 2022, 10:58:02 AM »
Mark the sharwil looks awesome.  Love how strong they grow.

Maluma, I think its just a hass thats left on the tree to full maturation but could be wrong.  I think its just a brand name for extra ripe hass.  There was a post about maluma here and it was fairly vague what their marketing people were actually selling.  I think maybe its a scam, but i could be totally wrong.  Most people have never had a really ripe hass fruit.  Blows away the junk thry sell at the supermarkets.

Theres also a hawaii one called malama, slightly different spelling.  Its supposed to be good.   Grows pretty weak here.  Something funny with the rootstock compatibility of my tree.  The portion below the graft line is about 2X the diameter of the grafted part?

Ill go and snap some pics of my new area today.  Had to put bags on over 100 grafts here because of excessive heat and low humidity last week.  Major work to get trees grafted over. 
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« Reply #65 on: March 06, 2022, 11:00:46 AM »
I saw that pretty avocado picture on page two of your survey. Just out of curiosity do you know how big the adult tree is?

Its big, the tree is around 50 years old.   The trunk was arou d 2-3ft wide and its taking up the entire backyard its planted in.
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« Reply #66 on: March 06, 2022, 08:52:21 PM »
Nice, wish I could grow one here. That would take one heck of a greenhouse.

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« Reply #67 on: March 07, 2022, 07:09:21 AM »
Thanks for the info Brad. I'll check with the specialist.  I may have gotten the spelling wrong. Whatever it is, he says it's a big hit in South Africa.  I searched and read a few threads on it here.  https://www.ctahr.hawaii.edu/oc/freepubs/pdf/CFS-AVO-3C.pdf

Sorry about that heat. I have a friend in Utah who says the lakes have all but gone dry.  Apparently north of you  got some really good snow about a week ago.  We too are in a designated "severe drought".  No significant rain for months.  So much for the incredible state wide wildflower crop this year.  My area is thick with them usually, both sides of the roads for miles and miles.

There's also a couple of branches of Lamb on that Sharwil, thanks to you!


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« Reply #68 on: March 07, 2022, 07:11:23 AM »
Nice, wish I could grow one here. That would take one heck of a greenhouse.

There are work arounds, choose "dwarf" trees and treat with a PGR like Bonzi. 

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« Reply #69 on: March 07, 2022, 10:14:04 AM »
you got the spelling right.  its called maluma.  but in the photos I saw it looked like regular hass.  they were touting their higher than average oil content from letting the fruit get extra ripe.
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« Reply #70 on: March 07, 2022, 10:28:37 AM »

Bluebonnets are awesome!  One of my favorite Texas things, along with BBQ.
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« Reply #71 on: March 07, 2022, 10:50:40 AM »
Thanks for the info Brad. I'll check with the specialist.  I may have gotten the spelling wrong. Whatever it is, he says it's a big hit in Australia.  I searched and read a few threads on it here.  https://www.ctahr.hawaii.edu/oc/freepubs/pdf/CFS-AVO-3C.pdf

Sorry about that heat. I have a friend in Utah who says the lakes have all but gone dry.  Apparently north of you  got some really good snow about a week ago.  We too are in a designated "severe drought".  No significant rain for months.  So much for the incredible state wide wildflower crop this year.  My area is thick with them usually, both sides of the roads for miles and miles.

There's also a couple of branches of Lamb on that Sharwil, thanks to you!



Mark, the one in the hawaii book is different than maluma.  I have one of those malama trees. 
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« Reply #72 on: March 07, 2022, 01:08:32 PM »
MALAMA   Malama is a new, high quality cultivar developed by the University of Hawaii> The fall ripening, pyriform purple fruits are thick fleshed and the flavor rich and nutty. Type B flower. (Frankie's Nursery, Waimanalo, Hawaii,1999)

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« Reply #73 on: March 07, 2022, 01:53:37 PM »
I think your Sharwils are so good . They have name recognition as well and your maybe the only one in CA that has them to sell.

Your the first person I have heard say Gem is precocious bearing.

This is a picture of my , uh seriously 10 year old grafted Gem.
I have always thought the allure behind this variety was the perfect initials of its patentor.
What makes it the B grades?



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« Reply #74 on: March 07, 2022, 02:05:28 PM »
It is Maluma, a sport of Hass with better attributes like longer hang time.  Popular in S. Africa.

 

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