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Aiptasia904

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Zone pushing suggestions for North FL 9a
« on: August 21, 2022, 11:09:51 AM »
Hello again. I have a number of tropicals growing out in containers which are small enough to move inside when the weather threatens below 50f. (10c.). Being in a subtropical zone where the cold can dip to below 20f. three or four times a winter (-6 c.), I'm looking for some suggestions of rare fruit trees that might be able to survive cold snaps in this range in ground. Either deciduous trees or tough cold hardy evergreens.

I already have a lot of subtropicals like pineapple, pitaya, persimmons, citrus, etc. that are doing really well in ground and seem to thrive with no problems tolerating cold snaps. I'm looking for suggestions of something unusual that can stand the cold nights in the winter and not be overly damaged too bad.

Suggestions?

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Re: Zone pushing suggestions for North FL 9a
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2022, 12:02:10 PM »
I'm 9b California. I don't see under 20f, but I do see 25f sometimes.

Things that do really well without protection, some are big some are small:

Guabiju
Cherry of the rio grande
Eugenia calycina
Sabara jaboticaba (reds and others are more cold sensitive) 
Campomanesias
Citrus

If you are growing dragonfruit without issues I don't think you're going under 20f. Mine get burnt or damaged under 32f and I have to cover them.

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Re: Zone pushing suggestions for North FL 9a
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2022, 02:01:11 PM »
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Re: Zone pushing suggestions for North FL 9a
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2022, 02:27:31 PM »
Florida is different from Cali. It can get really cold at night, as soon as the sun comes up it's warm. It can freeze at night, be 80 during the day then freeze again. So different plants react differently.

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Re: Zone pushing suggestions for North FL 9a
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2022, 04:55:45 PM »
I'm in Arlington, here is what im growing that does well throughout winter:
Starfruit
Lychee
Ice cream Bean
Tamarind
Barbados Cherry
Surinam Cherry
Peanut Butter Fruit
Cherry of the Rio Grande
Cedar Bay Cherry
Mysore Raspberry
Curry Leaf
Strawberry Guava
Jujube
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Jaboticaba
White Sapote
Grumichama
Yellow Jaboticaba
Moringa
Pitangatuba
Cinnamon
Allspice
Kwai Muk
Avocado
Indian Olive
Pineapple
Pawpaw

Here is what has struggled:
Banana
Mango
Jackfruit (some defoliated, some took no damage)
Hog plum
Star apple
Achacha
Mexican/Thai Guavas
Papaya
Lemon drop mangosteen
Seashore mangosteen
Strawberry fruit
Coffee
Black pepper
Vanilla
Yucca
Naranjilla
Tamarillo

Do you actually get below 20 in OP? We don't get below 28 really here...

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Re: Zone pushing suggestions for North FL 9a
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2022, 07:24:31 PM »
@HibachiDrama - Do you have the lychee, ice cream bean and tamarind in ground? Have you protected them during the winter? How long have you had them?

Thanks!

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Re: Zone pushing suggestions for North FL 9a
« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2022, 12:25:50 AM »
Everything on that list is in the ground. The ones you asked about 2/3/1 years respectively, no protection since I planted them. The first two spent a season in a pot growing from 3g to 15g, but the tamarind I planted immediately. I did protect several on the struggle list like the Garcinia. I have a guarana growing in the ice cream Bean and it dies back pretty bad every winter and will come back very slow from roots or a single branch, so the ice cream Bean is taking the cold and just tolerating it... It up to about 25' now.

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Re: Zone pushing suggestions for North FL 9a
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2022, 07:36:51 AM »
I'm in Arlington, here is what im growing that does well throughout winter:
Starfruit
Lychee
Ice cream Bean
Tamarind
Barbados Cherry
Surinam Cherry
Peanut Butter Fruit
Cherry of the Rio Grande
Cedar Bay Cherry
Mysore Raspberry
Curry Leaf
Strawberry Guava
Jujube
Che
Jaboticaba
White Sapote
Grumichama
Yellow Jaboticaba
Moringa
Pitangatuba
Cinnamon
Allspice
Kwai Muk
Avocado
Indian Olive
Pineapple
Pawpaw

Here is what has struggled:
Banana
Mango
Jackfruit (some defoliated, some took no damage)
Hog plum
Star apple
Achacha
Mexican/Thai Guavas
Papaya
Lemon drop mangosteen
Seashore mangosteen
Strawberry fruit
Coffee
Black pepper
Vanilla
Yucca
Naranjilla
Tamarillo

Do you actually get below 20 in OP? We don't get below 28 really here...

Thank you for replying HibachiDrama. This is exactly what I was looking for. I'm in Orange Park and have a creek that feeds into Dr.'s Lake that runs across a portion of my property so there's a part of my 3/4ths of an acre that's in a micro climate. I have a few of the plants on your list but this is going to help me know what to put in the ground and what to keep in containers.

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Re: Zone pushing suggestions for North FL 9a
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2022, 11:00:58 AM »
HibachiDrama, I'm surprised to see Cinnamon on your list of plants that do well through the winter.  I thought they would die off in your winters once temps dipped to mid 30s.  Is it well protected by larger trees or bushes?
I would love to grow it here in SoCA but I figured the lack of humidity and cool winters would doubly kill it.  Any SoCA growers successfully growing Cinnamon?  Maybe along the coast?

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Re: Zone pushing suggestions for North FL 9a
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2022, 05:30:08 PM »
HibachiDrama, I'm surprised to see Cinnamon on your list of plants that do well through the winter.  I thought they would die off in your winters once temps dipped to mid 30s.  Is it well protected by larger trees or bushes?
I would love to grow it here in SoCA but I figured the lack of humidity and cool winters would doubly kill it.  Any SoCA growers successfully growing Cinnamon?  Maybe along the coast?

There was a collector I bought some stuff off of in SD, he had a decent sized cinnamon tree. I think you're fine in SD unless inland or something.

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Re: Zone pushing suggestions for North FL 9a
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2022, 11:47:47 PM »
HibachiDrama, I'm surprised to see Cinnamon on your list of plants that do well through the winter.  I thought they would die off in your winters once temps dipped to mid 30s.  Is it well protected by larger trees or bushes?
I would love to grow it here in SoCA but I figured the lack of humidity and cool winters would doubly kill it.  Any SoCA growers successfully growing Cinnamon?  Maybe along the coast?

It is kinda under the ice cream Bean with a bay rum and allspice, I'll make sure to follow up with a damage report this winter.