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Citrus General Discussion / Re: rootmaker pots
« on: May 02, 2014, 12:40:55 PM »
The website has pretty good info: http://citrus.forumup.org/viewtopic.php?t=8229&highlight=rootmaker&mforum=citrus

I ordered the 100ft roll from a hydroponics website and repotted all of my trees in them.  100ft should make around 25-30 1ft-diameter pots which are about the size of a 5-gallon nursery pot, maybe larger.  I zip tie sturdy landscape fabric to the bottom after assemblind the pots because I move them around a lot, but it seems once the roots take hold you don't even need a bottom. 




They are fairly expensive, I think I paid around $350 for the roll.  I'm not sure how much normal pots cost because all of mine were from other purchased orchard trees that I saved, I've never actually paid for pots aside from these so who knows.  They are sturdy and reusable and once the trees outgrow the assembled pots it looks like you can just join two pieces together to make a larger one.

They sell individual pots of all sizes but I've never tried them. 

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: What is it for citrus?
« on: May 02, 2014, 12:16:36 PM »
I'm not very good at identifying these but it does look very much like a ponderosa lemon I once owned.  They are really cool trees, the fruit is huge. 

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Citrus General Discussion / rootmaker pots
« on: May 01, 2014, 06:31:32 PM »
I have to say I'm really sold on these.  Millet sent me a sample last year and it clearly fixes the circling root problem.  Thanks again, Millet.

# This is a moro blood orange on unknown rootstock from Home Depot.

Here is the tree last summer as purchased:



And today:


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Citrus General Discussion / Re: New To Citrus
« on: May 01, 2014, 05:15:50 PM »
If you're patient, it sounds like you will get what you want:

"According to Dr. Carl Campbell at the University of Florida Extension research center, almost any sweet orange will come true from seed, as well as key limes, grapefruit, tangerine and tangelo. Two varieties that will not come true from seed are the temple orange and pomelo (Grapefruit grandfather). Meyer lemon also falls under this category. "  from http://thecitrusguy.blogspot.com/2010/08/to-seed-or-not-to-seed.html

But it might be a decade.  If you can find a grafted tree you get fruit within a year or two.

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I just received a tree from them and it was exactly as advertised.  Details here: http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=10129.msg133620#msg133620

I ordered direct from the lemontreecitrus.com site, not through Amazon.  Maybe the florida recall incidents were just a supplier issue after all.  My tree appears to have shipped from Lousiana, according to the tracking info.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Nippon Orangequat
« on: May 01, 2014, 05:08:48 PM »
Here it is.  It looks very nice.  No damage and good roots.  Total cost was about $70 shipped ($40 tree, $30 shipping).





Thanks very much Dave for finding this!

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Nippon Orangequat
« on: May 01, 2014, 02:44:18 PM »
I finally got a hold of Ruth at Harris Citrus on a number that an employee gave me.  She said they have Xie Shan grafted but they won't be ready for sale until July-August. 

Also, my Nippon Orangequat should be arriving from Lemoncitrustree.com some time today.  According to the shipment tracking it came from New Orleans, LA.  I'll post a picture when I get it.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Hydrogen Peroxide
« on: May 01, 2014, 11:51:05 AM »
The second link Chas provided shows the results of an experiment adding different levels of H2O2 to sweet potato seedlings.  Looks like small concentrations increased root growth in the test case, though it was only a 6 day period.  Would be nice to see a longer term study.


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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Hydrogen Peroxide
« on: April 30, 2014, 03:44:25 PM »
They've definitely had plenty of water since they arrived.  I'm wondering if either they dried out too much during shipping, or if the <55F temps we've been having the past few days are preventing the roots from hydrating the rest of the plan.  I've seen this before but it never lasted more than a day or two and I'm going on five days now...

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Hydrogen Peroxide
« on: April 30, 2014, 02:18:51 PM »
I have no doubt that his methods are effective,  I just like to see how each part of the care regimen contributes individually... for science!

It's definitely possible to grow container citrus in zone 6.  Since I build my attic greenhouse my plants have done extremely well.  To the point that I'm dissapointed how trees from the nursery look in comparison.   

Here is a 3yr Nordman Seedless Kumquat I just received from FourWinds last Friday:

This new tree looks very limp.  Hopefully its just shipping and transplant shock and it will perk up soon.

And here is a 3yr Nordman Seedless Kumquat that I ordered from FourWinds *last year* that I just pulled out of my greenhouse the same day the new trees arrived:




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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Hydrogen Peroxide
« on: April 30, 2014, 01:59:51 PM »
Ah.  It sounds interesting but I would want to see side-by-side proof before I do the additional work.  The more trees I have the lazier I need to be!  This sounds like an easy experiment to run on two trays of seedlings, though.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Hydrogen Peroxide
« on: April 30, 2014, 12:39:24 PM »
What's the intended purpose of the hydrogen peroxide?  More oxygen availability in the water?  Killing microbes in the growing medium?

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: What to plant outside - 7B?
« on: April 24, 2014, 11:16:23 PM »
Brian ... that four winds website has Poncirus needing protection at 24°F / -4.5°C. As we all know that's not true. Couldn't link to citrustreesnola site for their info.

Cheers, Barrie.

Yeah that does sound off.  I'm sure there's better info out there.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Nippon Orangequat
« on: April 24, 2014, 11:14:50 PM »
To order from Mckenzie you have to call or email him anyway. He will email you back and let you know if he has something. I've ordered from him and he sends good trees in pots.

Yeah, he replied quickly but said he didn't have any at the moment.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Nippon Orangequat
« on: April 24, 2014, 03:22:42 PM »
I ended up ordering the Orangequat from the site you mentioned, I will let you know how it turns out.  Thanks for digging that up!

I also called Harris back today.  Same guy but I asked about Xie Shan and he said somebody would call me back tomorrow about it.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: What to plant outside - 7B?
« on: April 24, 2014, 12:39:47 PM »
Ok, so what are my best shots here for minumum protection? The satsuma? The sudachi or yuzu?

Check out this page, it has a table of some of the more hardy citrus:  http://citrustreesnola.com/about.html.  I've seen other charts like this online if you search around.

FourWinds has one:  https://www.fourwindsgrowers.com/our-citrus-trees/citrus-variety-info-chart.html

I keep all mine in containers in a heated greenhouse in the winter so I am not sure how difficult it is to maintain them in ground in a cold climate.  I think the yuzu and kumquats are the best shot outside, but I expect you'll still have to protect them some nights.  I use a wireless temperature sensor with an alarm in my greenhouse.  I would look at it occasionally at night and after a while you get a very good idea of what temperature your growing area will be given a certain outside temperature. 

The weather forecast is sometimes inaccurate by 5+ degrees on top of that.  You can look up historical low temperatures in your area on weather.gov.


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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Nippon Orangequat
« on: April 23, 2014, 11:33:09 PM »
This site seems to have a sketchy reputation but if they are the only source I might order one from them.  I'm going to try to reach out to the only other potential seller I found (http://mckenzie-farms.com) but who knows how often the site is updated they might not actually have any.

I'm gonna sleep on it.

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You're right, I really need to try some figs.  I think I've only ever eaten one in my life and I forget how it was. 

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I bow to your superior drawing skills!  ;)

In zone 6, I don't blame you for no in-ground citrus, but how about a persimmon tree?

I've tried them twice from the grocery store and both times I didn't like them.  Skin is a bit too chewy, inside too squishy.  Too sweet, not tart enough.  Also I read they can cause intestinal blockages because of some persimmon-specific phenomenon I can't remember the name of.

I plan to try more varieties if I see them for sale because everybody tells me how great they are but my experience has been all bad.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Cold Hardy Citrus
« on: April 23, 2014, 02:57:01 PM »
Outdoors??   It gets down to around -10F in our zones!  I didn't think any citrus would survive that low.

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Hah you do that too?  :)




No in-ground citrus for me, though.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Citrus limonia "rangpur"
« on: April 22, 2014, 10:08:50 PM »

Without denying its high ornamental value... I think there has been said enough about its taste. :P The best among these uses is as an exceptionally vigorous rootstock! :D

Igor

I haven't heard much about the taste, actually.  What does it taste like?  Lime?  Kumquat?  I'm genuinely surprised that most people don't like fresh kumquats or calomondins, they are really good. 

snhabegger, I heard that kumquats don't do well on their own roots.  This is a shame because I'm constantly pulling tiny kumquat seedlings out of my pots because I eat the fruit and spit the seeds into the containers (I don't have a trash can in my greenhouse).  The fukushu ones look really nice, too.  I'd have a hundred of them if I didn't pull them.




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Citrus General Discussion / Re: minneola tangelo in container
« on: April 21, 2014, 03:04:24 PM »
Yes, gibbereilllic (GA3) acid works great.  I use it most every year, both on my citrus and grapes. Two things to consider when using GA3 acid to pollinate your citrus.  The percent of active pollination is very high, so the tree will set a LOT of fruit when sprayed with GA3.  Much more than a tree being pollinated by natural means.  Therefore, you will get many more fruit, but because of the great number, the fruit will be smaller in size.  However, if you thin the tree a little the tree will produce the normal size for the cultivar.   Use a 1 percent solution.  If you don't want to by GA3 you can use tomato and pepper set.  In most brands, the active ingredient is GA3.  To be sure, check the ingredients on the label.  Spray at full bloom.  - Millet

Thanks for the info, I will check out the sprays available locally and thin out the fruit if it gets out of hand.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: minneola tangelo in container
« on: April 20, 2014, 06:19:03 PM »
I've never used gibberellic acid so I have to obtain and mix it I guess.   

The pictures are in order, it isn't the same pot.  I moved it from the pot it came in to a larger rootmaker pot.  I had good luck with the one Millet sent me so I'm repotting them all in these this spring.  The square container is just what I was using to mix the potting medium up.

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Citrus General Discussion / minneola tangelo in container
« on: April 20, 2014, 05:33:13 PM »
I just tried these for the first time this winter and they were probably the best store-bought citrus I've had.  I happened to find a grafted tree for sale locally when I was out yesterday and bought it.  I was looking into the variety online today and read that 1) it grows large, fast 2) it may require a pollinator.  I need to keep it under 7ft tall in a greenhouse in winter and it isn't likely to be pollinated in there if it blooms in winter like the rest of my greenhouse trees did.  I read in a CGF thread that you can spray gibberellic acid on it during bloom as a substitute for pollination.  Is this as straightforward as it sounds?






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