Eugenia Burkartiana ( Rare Orange var.) for sale-Top tasting Eugenia!

[FV Fruit Freak]

Eugenia Burkartiana for sale. From Helton Josue’s Garden!!! This is the more rare Orange variety, NOT the black variety. These seeds go for $25-$35 each. Cost for seedling is $45 plus shipping. Over a year old. Has some cold damage but it’s pushing new growth as you can see in the close up picture. This is said to be one of the best Eugenias to eat out of hand. Reportedly has a sweet berry like flavor with minimal acidity. It is native to Joinville, Santa Catarina, Brazil and reports indicate it can handle temps down to 32 degrees Fahrenheit.

[RevivalR00ts]

You positive that’s burkartiana?

[RevivalR00ts]

This is burkartiana

[FV Fruit Freak]

Ya man 100% Positive. Seeds were purchased from the man himself Hapa Joe in June 2022. In case you didn’t know he actually goes into the jungle and collects the seeds HIMSELF, so these cane directly from the source, no middle man. So how would you like to pay Jeremy?  😉

[RevivalR00ts]

Ya man 100% Positive. Seeds were purchased from the man himself Hapa Joe in June 2022. In case you didn’t know he actually goes into the jungle and collects the seeds HIMSELF, so these cane directly from the source, no middle man. So how would you like to pay Jeremy?  😉

So I confirmed with Joe that yours it NOT the same as what’s being sold on eBay by both Kam and Steven as Eugenia burkartiana. Yours from Joe is what’s pictured.


Lol and yes, by the pure definition of middle man, you absolutely purchased from a middle man. But anywho, now there are some questions as what Helton has described as burkartiana is different than whatever source Kam and Steven are getting as Burkartiana.

[FV Fruit Freak]

This is burkartiana

The leaves on yours look more rounded than Burkartiana, where’d you get it from?

https://swbiodiversity.org/imglib/h_seinet/seinet/ASU/ASU0034/ASU0034057.jpg

[Bush2Beach]

100%? haha, you have alot of faith in this man and his guide's identification skills. "in case you didn't know " shnarf shnarf shnarf, c'mon with dat.
I have never bought from these sellers but i do Pay attention. I think Kam's Id's are pretty 100 for so many species offered, the source and info is legit. I don't know who would win a frutas of brazil 100 question pop quiz but I get a feeling about who know's their shit and who is full of shit.

Ya man 100% Positive. Seeds were purchased from the man himself Hapa Joe in June 2022. In case you didn’t know he actually goes into the jungle and collects the seeds HIMSELF, so these cane directly from the source, no middle man. So how would you like to pay Jeremy?  😉

[SouthBayHapaJoe]

From Helton Josue website.
I trust him
https://www.colecionandofrutas.com.br/eugeniaburkartiana.htm

Helton has a Beautiful orchard and has written many books on fruit collecting and is one of the most respected fruit collectors in the world.  I'll be back there in a couple months visiting him for my annual meeting with him and my other Brazilian collector friends. but I can understand the frustration with scientific naming.

[FV Fruit Freak]

Ya man 100% Positive. Seeds were purchased from the man himself Hapa Joe in June 2022. In case you didn’t know he actually goes into the jungle and collects the seeds HIMSELF, so these cane directly from the source, no middle man. So how would you like to pay Jeremy?  😉

So I confirmed with Joe that yours it NOT the same as what’s being sold on eBay by both Kam and Steven as Eugenia burkartiana. Yours from Joe is what’s pictured.


Lol and yes, by the pure definition of middle man, you absolutely purchased from a middle man. But anywho, now there are some questions as what Helton has described as burkartiana is different than whatever source Kam and Steven are getting as Burkartiana.

Thanks for the heads up Jeremy! I didn’t realize I had the more rare variety from Helton Josue!!! Maybe I should charge more 

[RevivalR00ts]

Ya man 100% Positive. Seeds were purchased from the man himself Hapa Joe in June 2022. In case you didn’t know he actually goes into the jungle and collects the seeds HIMSELF, so these cane directly from the source, no middle man. So how would you like to pay Jeremy?  😉

So I confirmed with Joe that yours it NOT the same as what’s being sold on eBay by both Kam and Steven as Eugenia burkartiana. Yours from Joe is what’s pictured.


Lol and yes, by the pure definition of middle man, you absolutely purchased from a middle man. But anywho, now there are some questions as what Helton has described as burkartiana is different than whatever source Kam and Steven are getting as Burkartiana.

Thanks for the heads up Jeremy! I didn’t realize I had the more rare variety from Helton Josue!!! Maybe I should charge more 

After talking with a couple trustworthy sources, this one that you’re offering should not be referred to as burkartiana but unicamp instead.

[nattyfroootz]

Truthfully have a hard time trusting ID's unless its from a source that has background in botany/systematics.  I think there's a lot of people in the fruit world that are basing IDs on sight alone whereas it is a much more complicated process than that. I.e. a lot of the psidiums that have gone around/are in my collection have very dubious ID's

[RevivalR00ts]

Truthfully have a hard time trusting ID's unless its from a source that has background in botany/systematics.  I think there's a lot of people in the fruit world that are basing IDs on sight alone whereas it is a much more complicated process than that. I.e. a lot of the psidiums that have gone around/are in my collection have very dubious ID's

Totally hear ya. I definitely could not tell you what is what, but from a standpoint of keeping consistency of what is what going around, those are the names that have been stated. So I guess until proven otherwise, it’d make sense to maintain those names.

[Timbogrow]

Pitangao Amarillo da unicamp

[Timbogrow]

25$ on bellamytrees.com

[FV Fruit Freak]

Ya man 100% Positive. Seeds were purchased from the man himself Hapa Joe in June 2022. In case you didn’t know he actually goes into the jungle and collects the seeds HIMSELF, so these cane directly from the source, no middle man. So how would you like to pay Jeremy?  😉

So I confirmed with Joe that yours it NOT the same as what’s being sold on eBay by both Kam and Steven as Eugenia burkartiana. Yours from Joe is what’s pictured.


Lol and yes, by the pure definition of middle man, you absolutely purchased from a middle man. But anywho, now there are some questions as what Helton has described as burkartiana is different than whatever source Kam and Steven are getting as Burkartiana.

Thanks for the heads up Jeremy! I didn’t realize I had the more rare variety from Helton Josue!!! Maybe I should charge more 

After talking with a couple trustworthy sources, this one that you’re offering should not be referred to as burkartiana but unicamp instead.

You can’t just go around re-naming stuff dude...Who are your trustworthy sources? I assume they are more trustworthy than Helton Josue? He’s the one who identified the seedling I’m selling. Anyways the fruit from the seedling I’m selling has actually been tasted by Hapa Joe at Heltons place and he’s confirmed the taste is excellent, he described it as slightly tart but juicy.”

Also Anderson Tropicals has the same picture of the fruit being posted and it’s listed as Eugenia Burkartiana (Pitanga Acerola) He was selling seeds for $25 each and he’s sold out, so I guess a lot of people have the wrong thing, according to you. Isn’t Anderson Tropicals a trusted source? I guess you need to call him out too.

[Bush2Beach]

True True we have to be consistent and maintain the existing name until informed otherwise by a taxonimist.
How are your “Belize Blackberry Szyizyum doing? Haha, I think that one got sussed out what it actually is. There sure are a hell of alot more species available than a few years ago. Thanks Sellami>kameron for showing there’s money to be made and ennough interest for a profitable biz.

Truthfully have a hard time trusting ID's unless its from a source that has background in botany/systematics.  I think there's a lot of people in the fruit world that are basing IDs on sight alone whereas it is a much more complicated process than that. I.e. a lot of the psidiums that have gone around/are in my collection have very dubious ID's

Totally hear ya. I definitely could not tell you what is what, but from a standpoint of keeping consistency of what is what going around, those are the names that have been stated. So I guess until proven otherwise, it’d make sense to maintain those names.

[RevivalR00ts]

Ya man 100% Positive. Seeds were purchased from the man himself Hapa Joe in June 2022. In case you didn’t know he actually goes into the jungle and collects the seeds HIMSELF, so these cane directly from the source, no middle man. So how would you like to pay Jeremy?  😉

So I confirmed with Joe that yours it NOT the same as what’s being sold on eBay by both Kam and Steven as Eugenia burkartiana. Yours from Joe is what’s pictured.


Lol and yes, by the pure definition of middle man, you absolutely purchased from a middle man. But anywho, now there are some questions as what Helton has described as burkartiana is different than whatever source Kam and Steven are getting as Burkartiana.

Thanks for the heads up Jeremy! I didn’t realize I had the more rare variety from Helton Josue!!! Maybe I should charge more 

After talking with a couple trustworthy sources, this one that you’re offering should not be referred to as burkartiana but unicamp instead.

You can’t just go around re-naming stuff dude...Who are your trustworthy sources? I assume they are more trustworthy than Helton Josue? He’s the one who identified the seedling I’m selling. Anyways the fruit from the seedling I’m selling has actually been tasted by Hapa Joe at Heltons place and he’s confirmed the taste is excellent, he described it as slightly tart but juicy.”

Also Anderson Tropicals has the same picture of the fruit being posted and it’s listed as Eugenia Burkartiana (Pitanga Acerola) He was selling seeds for $25 each and he’s sold out, so I guess a lot of people have the wrong thing, according to you. Isn’t Anderson Tropicals a trusted source? I guess you need to call him out too.

I think you’ve completely missed anything that I’ve said. I have not renamed anything and Steven Anderson of Anderson tropicals is one of the sources that I’m referring to and if it has not been updated already, he is updating that listing on his page to remove the name Burkartiana.

[andersst]

Hi all,

Just my point of view. I have spoken to many collectors and experts in Brazil. Many agree that the purple fruiting species is the true Eugenia burkartiana. I have chosen to start using Eugenia sp. "Pitangão Amarelo da Unicamp" (I need to update our listing, I do admit) to identify the yellow fruit Helton has provided to the community.

This is directly from his website:
"INDIGENOUS NAME:  PITANGA-ACEROLA (because it has a similar taste). It is also called the Yellow Pitangão of Unicamp."

Furthermore, if you refer to the botanical archives the leaves and native region of Eugenia burkartiana align with the purple fruit found by Fabio in Santa Catharina

https://powo.science.kew.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:98140-2

I think it is more important that the community is informed. Joe, Kam, and I imported the seeds around the same time, and at first, we all were following Helton's distinction. As Joe has stated Helton has vast knowledge and is one of the most trustworthy collectors in Brazil, but that does not mean he could be mistaken. But, science and botany are ever-evolving, and sometimes names need to be updated and the community informed (I have put this explanation in my eBay listings of Eugenia sp. "Pitangão Amarelo da Unicamp"). No one is intentionally naming species incorrectly. Both of these species are very special and should be in any serious Eugenia collection.

Another option is to distinguish based on the collectors:
Yellow fruit: Eugenia burkartiana "H. Josue"
Purple fruit:  Eugenia burkartiana "F. Longen"

I hope this helps!

[RevivalR00ts]

Hi all,

Just my point of view. I have spoken to many collectors and experts in Brazil. Many agree that the purple fruiting species is the true Eugenia burkartiana. I have chosen to start using Eugenia sp. "Pitangão Amarelo da Unicamp" (I need to update our listing, I do admit) to identify the yellow fruit Helton has provided to the community.

This is directly from his website:
"INDIGENOUS NAME:  PITANGA-ACEROLA (because it has a similar taste). It is also called the Yellow Pitangão of Unicamp."

Furthermore, if you refer to the botanical archives the leaves and native region of Eugenia burkartiana align with the purple fruit found by Fabio in Santa Catharina

https://powo.science.kew.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:98140-2

This is an ongoing discussion that I believe is still somewhat undecided. I think it is more important that the community is informed. Joe, Kam, and I imported the seeds around the same time, and at first, we all were following Helton's distinction. As Joe has stated Helton has vast knowledge and is one of the most trustworthy collectors in Brazil. But, science and botany are ever-evolving, and sometimes names need to be updated and the community informed (I have put this explanation in my eBay listings of Eugenia sp. "Pitangão Amarelo da Unicamp"). No one is intentionally naming species incorrectly. Both of these species are very special and should be in any serious Eugenia collection.

Another option is to distinguish based on the collectors:
Yellow fruit: Eugenia burkartiana "H. Josue"
Purple fruit:  Eugenia burkartiana "F. Longen"

I hope this helps!

I appreciate the clarification Steve! I think it’d be important to maintain ‘Yellow Pitangão of Unicamp." That will help to keep the distinction between the two.