The Tropical Fruit Forum
Tropical Fruit => Tropical Fruit Discussion => Topic started by: Shovel n Seed on January 19, 2023, 09:42:45 PM
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Knowing everything you've learned, where in florida would you live in order to grow sub-tropical fruits without covering for cold. So take into account soil, hurricane damage, water etc. I just want to grow jabos, mangoes, eugenias and such without a greenhouse. And I don't want to live in a big city. The country is great.
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What's wrong with a greenhouse? Then all your problems go away :D
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Nothing is wrong with a greenhouse but all things being equal id rather grow in a climate where I didn't need one.
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Meritt Island is a good option. It is further north to encourage cooler temps for a good bloom, but the water all around moderates the lows from what I hear. It would not be a country setting. If you want country, you might have a look around the south side of lake Okeechobee. They used to say that to get any effect you had to be able to see the water. That land is pretty jealously guarded, though, I think. Maybe some other people have more recommendations?
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I've been basically everywhere in the state. If I could move down there my dream place would be somewhere near WPB give or take 50 miles north or south and inland a bit more cause it's too expensive. Warm enough to escape hard frosts. Greenhouse is such a limiting factor lol. Another place I'd consider is Pine Island...but then they just got decimated by the hurricane so maybe not. Homestead is too far south now and I hear people saying it's hard to get good blooms on mangoes now but that place is so beautiful. Or maybe I could find a place even more inland but exploit a microclimate like lake okeechobee. Who knows. It really depends on microclimate.
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I've been basically everywhere in the state. If I could move down there my dream place would be somewhere near WPB give or take 50 miles north or south and inland a bit more cause it's too expensive. Warm enough to escape hard frosts. Greenhouse is such a limiting factor lol. Another place I'd consider is Pine Island...but then they just got decimated by the hurricane so maybe not. Homestead is too far south now and I hear people saying it's hard to get good blooms on mangoes now but that place is so beautiful. Or maybe I could find a place even more inland but exploit a microclimate like lake okeechobee. Who knows. It really depends on microclimate.
The whole state is too expensive right now. Not that long ago land was $5k-$6k/Acre. You would get trampled to death before you got back from putting the sign out at the road if you offered land at that price today. :o
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I've been basically everywhere in the state. If I could move down there my dream place would be somewhere near WPB give or take 50 miles north or south and inland a bit more cause it's too expensive. Warm enough to escape hard frosts. Greenhouse is such a limiting factor lol. Another place I'd consider is Pine Island...but then they just got decimated by the hurricane so maybe not. Homestead is too far south now and I hear people saying it's hard to get good blooms on mangoes now but that place is so beautiful. Or maybe I could find a place even more inland but exploit a microclimate like lake okeechobee. Who knows. It really depends on microclimate.
The whole state is too expensive right now. Not that long ago land was $5k-$6k/Acre. You would get trampled to death before you got back from putting the sign out at the road if you offered land at that price today. :o
Well hopefully when it's my time to buy land there it is still available! I realize even if it's only one acre I could probably grow most of what I want. Although I'd love to get several acres and plant all the fruits.
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Surest way to avoid the worst impacts of a hurricane is to not be near the coast, waterways connected to the coast, in a trailer, or in the midst of a bunch of tall trees.
Mangoes are probably the most cold sensitive of the fruits listed. How far north are people growing without cold troubles, and what varieties fare best?
I liked Merritt Island and the surrounding area when living in Melbourne for a few years. Good surf, great restaurants, and beautiful ecosystems. Vero may have some cool areas to grow, more inland. Will ask my friends near Okeechobee and Clewiston how the fruit trees are holding up and producing. West Palm Beach area or a little north of there might be worth looking at.
Down here in the burbs south of Miami, only cold protection needed is for small seedlings so far. But the most tropical plant I grow is g. mangostana (and just added breadfruit). But, lots of mangoes and lychees are appearing to flower and fruit less over the years. When you do pick your spot, pick some mangoes wisely based upon how far north or south you are, and also zone push your favs.
Homestead and the Redlands are agricultural areas south of Miami.
Hialeah has great soil, at least at my mother in law's. Digging a hole for her reticulate was like spooning butter.
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Any fans of Martin County?
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St Lucie County is good if your closer to the river, intercoastal, or ocean 5mi or so. I grow all types of tropicals and subtropicals outside and get little to no leaf burn recently. Coconuts and mangos grow really well. Soil is sandy slightly acidic with a couple chunks of clay scattered at deeper depths.
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Meritt Island is a good option. It is further north to encourage cooler temps for a good bloom, but the water all around moderates the lows from what I hear. It would not be a country setting. If you want country, you might have a look around the south side of lake Okeechobee. They used to say that to get any effect you had to be able to see the water. That land is pretty jealously guarded, though, I think. Maybe some other people have more recommendations?
Just looking at a map it seems Merrit Island would be expensive but the south side of Okeechobee are where my thoughts keep drifting.
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I've been basically everywhere in the state. If I could move down there my dream place would be somewhere near WPB give or take 50 miles north or south and inland a bit more cause it's too expensive. Warm enough to escape hard frosts. Greenhouse is such a limiting factor lol. Another place I'd consider is Pine Island...but then they just got decimated by the hurricane so maybe not. Homestead is too far south now and I hear people saying it's hard to get good blooms on mangoes now but that place is so beautiful. Or maybe I could find a place even more inland but exploit a microclimate like lake okeechobee. Who knows. It really depends on microclimate.
Yeah Loxahatchee is inland from West Palm Beach Beach and I know a good amount of growers there that are killing it with all kinds of fruit, especially mangoes. Still really expensive there too. And i agree trying to find a microclimate but that's something you'll probably only find by personally exploring or knowing someone in that specific area.
Yeah Pine Island is a hard no lol I couldn't stomach that level of destruction. And doesn't homestead have high alkaline soil?
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Surest way to avoid the worst impacts of a hurricane is to not be near the coast, waterways connected to the coast, in a trailer, or in the midst of a bunch of tall trees.
Mangoes are probably the most cold sensitive of the fruits listed. How far north are people growing without cold troubles, and what varieties fare best?
I liked Merritt Island and the surrounding area when living in Melbourne for a few years. Good surf, great restaurants, and beautiful ecosystems. Vero may have some cool areas to grow, more inland. Will ask my friends near Okeechobee and Clewiston how the fruit trees are holding up and producing. West Palm Beach area or a little north of there might be worth looking at.
Down here in the burbs south of Miami, only cold protection needed is for small seedlings so far. But the most tropical plant I grow is g. mangostana (and just added breadfruit). But, lots of mangoes and lychees are appearing to flower and fruit less over the years. When you do pick your spot, pick some mangoes wisely based upon how far north or south you are, and also zone push your favs.
Homestead and the Redlands are agricultural areas south of Miami.
Hialeah has great soil, at least at my mother in law's. Digging a hole for her reticulate was like spooning butter.
I agree with avoiding the coasts and that was my plan, but Hialeah seems to close to Miami. No offense but I want nothing to do with that place.
I'll have to do more research on Homestead but I thought the soils were high alkaline.
But looking at a map last night I kept focusing on clewiston so I'll do my research there as well. Seems like a good spot if I could get closer to the lake
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All areas around the lake can be hit hard by hurricanes. Crime rate is particularly high in Belle Glade. Clewiston is also higher than average. Canal Point is a about average crime rate.
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South Floridians have their challenges maybe not as Extreme as The Californians but I would say invasive species fungal resistance aging infrastructure and lots of people. Other than where I live I find the Lake Wales ridge area to be beautiful. Higher elevation possibly less Frost
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South Floridians have their challenges maybe not as Extreme as The Californians but I would say invasive species fungal resistance aging infrastructure and lots of people. Other than where I live I find the Lake Wales ridge area to be beautiful. Higher elevation possibly less Frost
Honestly there are challenges to growing anywhere. I just want to not deal with the challenge of cold.
I'll have to research the Lakes Wales Ridge, I've not heard of that before.
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South Floridians have their challenges maybe not as Extreme as The Californians but I would say invasive species fungal resistance aging infrastructure and lots of people. Other than where I live I find the Lake Wales ridge area to be beautiful. Higher elevation possibly less Frost
Honestly there are challenges to growing anywhere. I just want to not deal with the challenge of cold.
I'll have to research the Lakes Wales Ridge, I've not heard of that before.
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I live in Miami near Homestead and the whole Miami area is very crowded. Even Homestead is very crowded. Yes there are farms/fields/groves, but it's still a very busy area and the city area of Homestead is very busy as well. The quality of life here isn't good but the weather is amazing.
Jaboticaba, I know last year was horrible but overall is Miami/Homestead still too far south to get good mango blooms? Summer 2021 was still a great year for mangoes, I had many Glenn & Pickering mangoes.
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We need to add a poll to this post!
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Why do you say quality of life is no good? Seems like lots of good food can be grown, excellent recreation , multi cultural society. What is not to like?
If it's not very busy, your'e in the sticks and not much of anything happening surrounded by all the same ol same ol.
I live in Miami near Homestead and the whole Miami area is very crowded. Even Homestead is very crowded. Yes there are farms/fields/groves, but it's still a very busy area and the city area of Homestead is very busy as well. The quality of life here isn't good but the weather is amazing.
Jaboticaba, I know last year was horrible but overall is Miami/Homestead still too far south to get good mango blooms? Summer 2021 was still a great year for mangoes, I had many Glenn & Pickering mangoes.
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Why do you say quality of life is no good? Seems like lots of good food can be grown, excellent recreation , multi cultural society. What is not to like?
If it's not very busy, your'e in the sticks and not much of anything happening surrounded by all the same ol same ol.
I live in Miami near Homestead and the whole Miami area is very crowded. Even Homestead is very crowded. Yes there are farms/fields/groves, but it's still a very busy area and the city area of Homestead is very busy as well. The quality of life here isn't good but the weather is amazing.
Jaboticaba, I know last year was horrible but overall is Miami/Homestead still too far south to get good mango blooms? Summer 2021 was still a great year for mangoes, I had many Glenn & Pickering mangoes.
No matter where someone lives there are losers and fantastic people. I could easily fit in within an urban environment. I love people and their stories, the different food but I've spent a lot of time in big cities and now having lived out in the country, west of gainesville, I can't go back to how busy a city is. I love the slower pace. To be abbot 45 minutes away away from a good size city is about perfect for me.
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I live in Miami near Homestead and the whole Miami area is very crowded. Even Homestead is very crowded. Yes there are farms/fields/groves, but it's still a very busy area and the city area of Homestead is very busy as well. The quality of life here isn't good but the weather is amazing.
Jaboticaba, I know last year was horrible but overall is Miami/Homestead still too far south to get good mango blooms? Summer 2021 was still a great year for mangoes, I had many Glenn & Pickering mangoes.
I wouldn't even consider Miami just bc how busy it is there.
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I live in Miami near Homestead and the whole Miami area is very crowded. Even Homestead is very crowded. Yes there are farms/fields/groves, but it's still a very busy area and the city area of Homestead is very busy as well. The quality of life here isn't good but the weather is amazing.
Jaboticaba, I know last year was horrible but overall is Miami/Homestead still too far south to get good mango blooms? Summer 2021 was still a great year for mangoes, I had many Glenn & Pickering mangoes.
Well,
not my direct experience but just with warmer winters in general it's harder to get blooms on mangoes and stuff as they need some sort of stresser to bloom. Of course it's not game over theres plenty of mangoe trees everywhere. Just some years production may go up/down...
If I had to go to move to FL I'd also consider south of tampa area. I feel like tampa is too cold unless you're in the city, near water, or near a good microclimate. Since OP wants to be out of city, it's probably better to go further south.
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Any fans of Martin County?
Anyone been to Indiantown lately? Anything good about that area? Not too far from the lake.
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Any fans of Martin County?
Anyone been to Indiantown lately? Anything good about that area? Not too far from the lake.
Coming back from West Palm Beach avocado Road love Nursery we made a pit stop there at Subway they have a excellent California guacamole sandwich. John 51 I give you credit for putting the Lake Wales Ridge on my radar 🙂
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Quality of life here a bit south of Miami is quite good for adults, probably a little less so for kids. I only drive to work once every week or 2 though, and work from my back porch garden area. I usually don't have to deal with the bad traffic. So my experience is not typical in terms of traffic.
Better money opportunities here for many people (depends on what you do), although costs of living and real estate are high.
There's lots of cool stuff to do here. I can go snorkeling, diving, kite surfing (haven't tried yet), biking, kayaking, fishing, and adventure out in the boonies or the Keys (not far). South Beach and Key Biscayne are close, as is downtown. Concerts, plays, museums, art galleries, and events. This weekend we have Chocolate Fest at Fairchild, and Chinese New Year fest at Smorgasburg, the mass food truck event they have every weekend around the graffiti Walls of Wynwood.
Restaurants! Many good ones.
Oh, and lots of growers nearby, with all kinds of fruits and ornamentals.
Think I need a mountain home too, but I really love it here.
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Knowing everything you've learned, where in florida would you live in order to grow sub-tropical fruits without covering for cold. So take into account soil, hurricane damage, water etc. I just want to grow jabos, mangoes, eugenias and such without a greenhouse. And I don't want to live in a big city. The country is great.
I am a 5th gen Floridian and have lived from Land O Lakes in Pasco County, to Placida in Charlotte County. To your question I would suggest that a great location would be east/northeast of Punta Gorda, east of 17 rural and quiet, homesite acreage available.
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I live near where Calusa is suggesting, and while I agree the area is nice, we had freezes last year and frost this year, so covering for cold may be necessary if you settle here. Just the same, I love it here.
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I live near where Calusa is suggesting, and while I agree the area is nice, we had freezes last year and frost this year, so covering for cold may be necessary if you settle here. Just the same, I love it here.
So not a lot of devastation from H. Ian?
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I'm in an area of east Seminole Heights, Tampa (Zone 9b). My neighborhood sits on a broad-topped hill so much of the cold air seems to run down to lower areas of a nearby neighborhood. This seems to minimize the coldest air settling on the ground in my part of the neighborhood unless a hard freeze is predicted.
But the effect is that many of my orchids or my tropical fruit trees (which are still in pots) tend to be spared the worst of the cold if they are near or under tree canopies in my yard. Of course they must be moved indoors or covered if it goes much colder thatn 32º for more than an hour or two.
The only things that got damaged in this year's two Xmastime cold snaps (we got down to 33 or 32º for one night) were my bananas (burnt leaves) plus A. reticulata, A. diversifolia, my small sugar apple, two ilamas and my biribá and an achiote all defoliated. Everything else seems to have slid through with no apparent damage. A seedling mango 'Pickering' also defoliated but the stem/trunk is still green. Several green sapotes were fine and two canistel 'Trompo' had their leaves turn yellowish green but that seem to have recovered. Several pomgranates and a fingersop and several guavas were also unaffected.
So Shovel n Seed, the Tampa area may be a place to consider. There is even at least one neighborhood (near McKay Bay in Tampa) which, not unlike the Pinellas peninsula, may verge on being zone 10a. Gibsonton just a few miles south of Tampa along US 41 might also offer some warmer areas.
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johnb51, there's been a bit of damage, including some manufactured homes being completely destroyed (still other manufactured homes that already went through Hurricane Charley have minimal damage from Ian) . Most non-metal roofs seem to have damage around this area. A lot of trees damaged or downed. But heading east/northeast on US 17, Arcadia had some serious flooding post-hurricane, so even if the winds don't get ya, something else might.
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You are gonna pay $500,000 for a property because it's Florida so you can grow mangos or whatever when you could go to Georgia or Alabama and buy the same place for $150,000 or maybe $200,000. People are selling farmland here like crazy and building condos. You might do ok in Ocala which is still country and relatively cheap or the panhandle.
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Even on a 1/4 acre lot you can grow a massive amount of fruit, more than enough to feed a family.
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Knowing everything you've learned, where in florida would you live in order to grow sub-tropical fruits without covering for cold. So take into account soil, hurricane damage, water etc. I just want to grow jabos, mangoes, eugenias and such without a greenhouse. And I don't want to live in a big city. The country is great.
I am a 5th gen Floridian and have lived from Land O Lakes in Pasco County, to Placida in Charlotte County. To your question I would suggest that a great location would be east/northeast of Punta Gorda, east of 17 rural and quiet, homesite acreage available.
I will def have to scout this area!
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Naples/collier. This town used to big fishing/agriculture/cattle. Grandparents had lots of mango avocado and citrus. Its the memories of being a kid with mango sticky face and peg with rotten fruit that I wanted my kids to enjoy that and planted a fruit tree forest...Very expensive but it's the last place to be impacted by economy, first to pull out of recession and there's lots of work to pay the bills and buy plants. I'm 6.6mi from the ocean just to the east of i-75 in the estates. Born and raised here, lived through Florida with work but this place always sucked me back in. Was blessed with an opportunity to buy a property before the pandemic and property value soared. Never dreamt that in a million years but here I am.......shovelseed - jabo45 what tree do you want planted and I'll throw one in for you.
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The Microclimate makes a big difference. Here in Highlands County the difference on cold nights can be 10F. The cold air usually arrives from NW. South to East of a large body of water the temperature is the highest. In low outlying areas the temperatures are the lowest. Last January it was 25F in some areas while at the lake it only got down to 35F. The official reading for that day was a low of 27F.
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I'm in Charlotte county. This place is not only not what it was ten years ago, it's not what it was two years ago. We had a massive influx of new residents during COVID. Real estate prices and over population is out of control. Many working people who lived here their whole lives are moving out and I will too.
If you go east of punta Gorda toward arcadia it's ok. Poor people are spilling out of port Charlotte into that area along with massive Hispanic immigration but not nearly as bad as the coastal areas.
There's a lot of woods there but you'll have non stop planes buzzing over head, lots of drug smuggling and dope heads and it's still over priced for what you are getting. If you absolutely must live in south Florida I guess it's as good a choice as any.
This is the border zone for mangos, coconut etc. Sometimes you can get them surving if you get lucky with warm winters until they are big. Fort Myers is where mango, coconut growing starts in full.
Naples is also an over crowded nightmare where you need to be a millionaire to buy land.
A tiny house in port Charlotte on a less than quarter acre lot which cost $80,000 in the year 2000 is over $300,000 now and good luck finding a house for sale because there's more people here than real estate.
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I'm no millionaire, dont insult me 😆 🤣 😂 I sweat like 6-600 shirts a day in the summer for these bill/taxes.
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The Microclimate makes a big difference. Here in Highlands County the difference on cold nights can be 10F. The cold air usually arrives from NW. South to East of a large body of water the temperature is the highest. In low outlying areas the temperatures are the lowest. Last January it was 25F in some areas while at the lake it only got down to 35F. The official reading for that day was a low of 27F.
You are spot on. Unfortunately, I don't think the land around thise lakes is any cheaper than SE Florida. For example 1 Acre tracts on Lake Placid are going for $250k right now. Yikes!
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I'm no millionaire, dont insult me 😆 🤣 😂 I sweat like 6-600 shirts a day in the summer for these bill/taxes.
You already own your property. Buying it now you have to be rich.
Your best bet would be to buy an empty lot that is "scrub jay". It's going to be dirt cheap, because you can't build on it without paying through the nose. The property must be kept wilderness to preserve the bird. You could still plant a garden on it so long as you left it in a relatively wild state. I don't think you are supposed to chop down any large oaks. Theoretically it should stay pretty desolate as scrub land is mostly sand dunes and grass with a few trees on it. The bird needs the open grassy area.
You could camp on the land and plant some mango trees or whatever it is you want. I bought a lot online trying to do this and it had no road, just dirt trails and the neighbor attacking me and chasing me off my own property (which he did to everyone who bought property there) and the police wouldn't help me. So beware of those type of scams too.
I just feel it isn't worth the huge expense. You can just grow stuff in pots or use a greenhouse. If you buy land in the Florida panhandle or southern Alabama or something and build a cheap greenhouse- it's only going to get cold a handful of days out of the year. Most of the time you could just open the green house up.
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I'm no millionaire, dont insult me 😆 🤣 😂 I sweat like 6-600 shirts a day in the summer for these bill/taxes.
You already own your property. Buying it now you have to be rich.
Your best bet would be to buy an empty lot that is "scrub jay". It's going to be dirt cheap, because you can't build on it without paying through the nose. The property must be kept wilderness to preserve the bird. You could still plant a garden on it so long as you left it in a relatively wild state. I don't think you are supposed to chop down any large oaks. Theoretically it should stay pretty desolate as scrub land is mostly sand dunes and grass with a few trees on it. The bird needs the open grassy area.
You could camp on the land and plant some mango trees or whatever it is you want. I bought a lot online trying to do this and it had no road, just dirt trails and the neighbor attacking me and chasing me off my own property (which he did to everyone who bought property there) and the police wouldn't help me. So beware of those type of scams too.
I just feel it isn't worth the huge expense. You can just grow stuff in pots or use a greenhouse. If you buy land in the Florida panhandle or southern Alabama or something and build a cheap greenhouse- it's only going to get cold a handful of days out of the year. Most of the time you could just open the green house up.
Yeah I have 10 acres west of gainesville in Trenton, FL. We bought in 2014 for 135k, and that's with the 3 bed 2.5 bath house. Even though it's my dream to be able to grow all these sub-tropicals outside, right now and for the foreseeable future just building a greenhouse makes the most sense.
I'm actually constructing my first greenhouse now and will look into the NRCS program if I want more....ahh I guess the tropical dream will have to wait !
I do appreciate everyone's input!
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Just buy scrub jay land and grow your garden on it if you are willing to travel to harvest it.
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You could always buy somewhere that is marginal for Tropicals and wait for the zones to migrate to you with climate change ?
We haven't had as much frost here for years, which is great for those on the tropical subtropical cross over.
Unfortunately with the mild winters, fruit fly doesn't get a cold knock down so it is getting tough growing without screening.
I am in Australia, we also got an influx of fruit eating rainbow lorikeets about 5 years back from somewhere. Now large flocks all over town.
.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_lorikeet
Beautiful birds but they hammer fruit trees in flocks.
The local wild parrots were usually only visiting in pairs on this property, so only a few eating some fruit on the top of the trees, no bother.
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It has warmed up in Florida I think more to development (pavement, hot roofs etc) than global warming but maybe both. people forget Florida is subtropical not tropical unless in the keys or southern tip. Miami is basically tropical. Because of the warming people are now growing mangoes in Charlotte county but we're still in south Florida.
Personally I don't care for tropical weather.
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Every city on the south east coast of florida is more expensive than Naples lol. We have our dumps too but in general it's more to live over there. Naturally Naples is at the end of the line for everything.
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There's only one city on the southeast coast Miami. The higher end areas of Miami might be higher but Naples doesn't have ghettos. Everyone I knew who lived in Naples are millionaires with properties over a million. Other than Naples in the west being expensive and Jacksonville in the east being relatively cheap the east coast does cost more. That mostly is because east coast of USA went to that side of Florida and the Midwest moved to the west coast. But now we have so many new yorkers and seattle and California people moving to the west coast driving up prices. It's pricing out people from Ohio, Michigan etc who used to move here.
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Oh so just the city limits? Collier is one of the biggest counties so even though your far away from the city you still write naples fl as your address. Yes there is a ghetto closer than me to the city( I believe it's inside the city limits on Gordon river) and another latin area right on the bay closer than me to the city also on Gordon river which goes right to Port royal. Its the same thing everywhere just how you chose to make your life and view things.
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There's no ghetto in port Charlotte. They refuse to build affordable housing and tear down trailer parks and bann new ones. The so called ghetto here is the older part of town with freshly painted houses manicured lawns where a house can be found for $180,000 instead of $300,000. There's a lot of drugs in the area but not any serious crime but that describes most of the country maybe slightly more drugs than usual.
Sarasota is the same even the so called ghetto is nice and expensive there's not any real ghetto. Fort Myersband arcadia do have actual dumpy areas and a small section of punta Gorda is affordable housing which is still expensive but a bit dumpy due to the people. As far as I know Naples is the same there isn't any real ghetto. It's just a poorer part of town. Us low wages workers have to live somewhere and the problem is a lack of affordable housing. What little there is demand far outstrips supply and the county is trying to tear down those areas too.
What happens is we just have a massive homeless population due to lack of affordable housing and a worker shortage but at least crime is relatively low other than drugs.
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OK, they don't bother me anyway. I have my memories growing up in Golden gate back in the 80s-mid 90s and the cops chased a dealer through my neighborhood and he was ditching his stash, driving through lawns putting huge ruts, cops chasing behind as we were playing in the road/lawn watching the car drive like a maniac. So I'm not the one needing convincing here, there's some shady ass shit that happens everywhere and theres not just real and fake ghettos. Migrants are panhandling here too. Same things happen all over. It's not news anymore.
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Florida is the drug smuggling capital of the USA. Most people living here aren't aware. There's a lot of smuggling via boat and plane and murders related to it and a high rate of drug usage. But in terms of getting your car broken into or mugged it's rare. It's more high level crime where usually you won't notice. I really don't care much about victimless crimes. Though the murder rate is swept under the rug. There's even been a number of serial killers besides the gang stuff.
Few people here know this is outlaw motorcycle club territory along with new York mob retired here along with new York cops.
They never bother me. It's the welfare junkies and low iq teenagers that vandalize property and steal stuff. Cincinnati is an epidemic of car break ins and muggings. That's what I mean by real ghetto. Getting mugged, getting your car broken into, people who don't cut their grass and throw trash on the lawn. There's not a lot of places like that in south Florida. Fort Myers is the only area I know of with a noticable amount of ghetto.