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Tropical Fruit Discussion / A walk through our "food forest"
« on: January 03, 2014, 10:51:23 AM »
http://youtu.be/SzlPIGWZhEI

The “forest” is still very young, in the video we walked from the ornamental part to the old peach orchard, while filming the new trees planted just months ago.

Almond, pomegranate, fig, guabiju, feijoa, persimmon, guava (will be difficult to survive the winter), raspberries, apple, hazelnut, kiwi and so.

At the top is still much work: ants eat non-native trees, they must be watered when droughts, and when sorghum grows too tall we must be weeding it along with the thistles.

You can help our project by sending seeds of fruit and edible leaves trees that can withstand -5 ° C or so (zone 9b).

This is a social, nutritional and medicinal project, we think it will feed 10 people with 1/2 acre of fruit trees and edible leaves in 10 years from now, and the forest will sustain by itself alone, almost without work (now it is a lot of work... ): others have done it in England (Martin Crawford), Australia (Geoff Lawton), and many traditionally in India and elsewhere (amazonas!)

Hope you like it!

http://bosquedealimentos.org/2014/01/paseo-por-el-bosque-2-de-enero-2014/

Then we will do a better HD video.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / we added 7 new native fruit species
« on: December 29, 2013, 12:40:05 PM »
We added 7 new species to the native fruit collection .

* Ubajay ( hexachlamis edulis )
* Black ñangapiré ( eugenia repanda )
* Anacahuita / myrtle/arrayán ( Blepharocalyx salicifolius )
* guayabo blanco ( Eugenia uruguayensis )
* cambuizinho - vermelho ( Myrcia selloi )
* guayabo Colorado ( Myrcianthes cisplatensis ) : brother of guabiyú
* Murta ( Myrceugenia glaucescens )

The age of these trees varies between 2-5 years.

Of these, the best known in Argentina are the arrayán and Ubajay , but almost no one really knows them. The rest, absolutely nobody knows: it's so ridiculous!

Photos at:

http://www.huertasurbanas.com/2013/12/29/7-nuevas-especies-de-frutales-nativos/


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Dream
« on: December 26, 2013, 12:41:33 PM »
Today I had a dream, perhaps the first about rare or tropical fruits.

It was something simple, nothing spectacular, but I was very happy during sleep.

The dream was that I had a kind of a tree that would give fruit for the first time, it was a mix between abiu and black sapote (I've never tried any of these fruits).

I remember I went to the patio, the tree was about 3 m tall and had black, spherical, bright fruit on the grown, like a bowling ball ... some were cut in half on the floor (like a kind of black abiu), and other hanging.

It was just that, and I woke up happy, I do not remember if I tried the fruit, but the dream perfectly recreated the experience of trying something extraordinary for the first time.

Anyone else?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Could it be a "big" fruit guabiju?
« on: December 17, 2013, 04:45:36 PM »
Hi

I found this image on the web




Dont you think their fruits are bigger (more than 2cm) than normal (less than 2cm)?

This is a photo of more normal guabiju fruits:


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / anti freezing cloth as shade cloth...
« on: December 14, 2013, 08:59:39 AM »






Hi, I dont have a good greenhouse yet, so I'm experimenting with a laundry room (humid and hot!) that gets a lot of sun at a time in the morning/noon and then nothing.

If I let pass the sunlight through the window, it will kill the young seedlings, so I put a blanket anti-frost as shade cloth, I see no harm in  eugenia candolleana or anywhere else: maybe I am  a bit crazy, or is it a good solution?

What I love about this white blanket is that it provides good light when the sun goes to another spot, however partial shade (black blanket) gives too much shade.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Red Jaboticaba suffers if I put it out at once
« on: December 13, 2013, 01:50:28 PM »
Hello

Inside my house , temperatures vary between 25 º C and 30 º C , now we are 27 º C inside and 33º C outside , and I have some hybrid Jaboticaba inside here happily growing under fluorescent light.

It's the end of our spring and we are experiencing a heat wave, with maximum sun. External temperatures range from 18 º C at night  and 33 º C during the day. The days ahead will be even higher, reaching 39 º C, as they say.

Then I took several seedlings to a small (1x2m) "light patio" near the bedroom that gets some sun only at noon , and the rest of the day is in the shade. The idea is that smaller seedlings are always in the shade but with heat , and the more developed take some sun : have not had any problems with the 20 cm chirimoyasl, also P. cattleianum (little and not so little ones) , Feijoas , pitangas, guabiju, tamarindos, vexators and stuff , but the  Jaboticaba hybrid  is complaining when taking it out.

New leaves, brownish color, start to get soft and the stem bends and leaves become very weak and listless if I put out , that occurs in a few minutes

See, 15:25hs



15:26hs



15:28hs



15:29hs



... if left them out some more minutes, they are made ​​a thread and look totally fouled .

Once back inside the room, recover quickly.

15:31hs



15:45hs


16:00hs




What is happening? Excess heat out? (temperature shock?) Excess moisture? They do not touch the sun and fell  ... green leaves do not decay.

I think I should take them out at night...



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / first uvaia flowers
« on: December 07, 2013, 11:01:52 AM »


it's fully populated with flower buds, it will be incredible, and the smell is way better than what I remembered from the last year (it flowered 3 times but did not seted fruit)

the perfume is really wonderful, I hope this tree gets bigger and bigger and will perfume the whole yard like an orange tree



http://www.huertasurbanas.com/2013/12/07/primeras-flores-de-uvaia/

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / i love this seedling
« on: December 05, 2013, 08:28:49 AM »

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Vitamin C in strawberry guava:326mg/100g?
« on: December 01, 2013, 10:22:06 PM »
"O araçá contém grande quantidade de vitamina C (326mg/ 100g da parte comestível dos
frutos), valor maior até mesmo do que a laranja e o limão, que são muito divulgadas como boas fontes dessa vitamina (ANDERSEN e ANDERSEN, 1998)"

http://www2.ufpel.edu.br/faem/agrociencia/v17n1/artigo08.pdf

"The guava contains large amounts of vitamin C (326mg / 100g of the edible part of the fruit), even greater value than the orange and lemon, which are widely known as good sources of this vitamin (Andersen and Andersen, 1998)"

Is this an error? Because most of the sites say that it has 37mg, not 326mg, see:

http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/fruits-and-fruit-juices/1928/2

and here:

http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/morton/cattley_guava.html

"Red or Yellow: ascorbic acid, 22-50 mg/100 g. "

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / strawberry guava overproduction?
« on: November 30, 2013, 11:47:48 PM »
Hi, I have 2 trees of psidium cattleianum (red strawberry guava), one (planted) already bore 50 fruits last year (may 2012), the other (poted) will do it for the first time this season.

I am concerned that the planted one is so laden with fruit because the tree measures just 1 meter tall, aprox; it's 4 years old.

Maybe it has more than 200 fruits that will be ripen in May:

should I remove some fruits so that the tree does not suffer from overproduction? Or the strawberry guava is used to support this charge?






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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Tasting my first (almost well ripen) tamarillo
« on: November 27, 2013, 09:53:49 PM »
Well, this time the tamarillo or tree tomato has matured over some hot or very warm days of our spring , also, it lived a frost winter ... it was a long maturation and I left it keep hanging on the tree all it wanted to ... they say that it rots in the tree if not take it out , but the reality is that the one I tested last August 26 during the winter was not good, then waited for this to fall, and it fell today.

It turned out to be orange and not red as I supposed .



One can see that the snails were eating out the link of the fruit with the tree: luckily, they did not continued. Another fact is that the shell was somewhere somewhat "dimpled " or weak.

The appearance is quite juicy :



 

I was afraid it was ugly as the previous one that had matured in winter with heavy frosts (which had left the plant without leaves!) , But in the end I was pleasantly surprised with a sweet, slightly acid, pleasant flavour. My wife tried it and found it tasty , even my mother liked it. I mean it's a totally feasible to be consumed daily as a family fruit.

 

Currently the plant has many flowers, has recovered extremely well from frosts and I had transplanted it to the front garden where temperatures do not drop below 0 ° C.

I hope the next fruit , this time matured during the hot seasons, will be even better : I'm sure it will . I spread various seeds to exchange with people from around the world and to plant some myself.



It is a fruit that is worth having because it provides a kind of tomato all over the year ... yes : no taste as a normal tomato, I 'd say it's something like a melon and some passion fruit. The skin is a bit hard , do not know how it would be cooked as tomato sauces for pasta in a  conventional style, this is something we will try next year.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / eugenia rostrifolia (batinga)
« on: November 25, 2013, 07:52:00 AM »
Hi, anyone growing this one? I  am interested in batinga because it's a myrtaceae :D, an eugenia, for sure it must be cold hardy to -6º C, and because it is beautiful:

see:

http://e-jardim.blogspot.com.ar/2008/11/eugenia-rostrifolia-um-show-de-cores-em.html



and here:

http://www.academia.edu/1308852/ALOUATTA_GUARIBA_CLAMITANS_CABRERA_1940_A_NEW_SOUTHERN_LIMIT_FOR_THE_SPECIES_AND_FOR_NEOTROPICAL_PRIMATES

"The forest was humid, 40 ha in size, and surrounded bycorn crops. “Batinga” ( Eugenia rostrifolia) was the mostcommon tree in the canopy, and its fruits, probably eatenby the howlers, also mature during the summer (usuallyin February). Some of the trees reach 16 m in height. "

The only photo of the fruit I found is this:

http://www.ufrgs.br/fitoecologia/florars/open_sp.php?img=8001



Plantarum: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/3TtEI9Vyd8mFTWBAqIoDOQ

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Sete capotes flowering
« on: November 21, 2013, 05:05:46 PM »
It has many buds this time... last year the first flower opened on November 16 and I think that flourished in 2 batches more, this year the first flower occurred five days later, the smell is very good, similar to roses.

Hopefully this time will give some fruits? how about campomanesias and fruit setting?.... the plant is 2m tall.



http://www.huertasurbanas.com/2013/11/21/sete-capotes-floreciendo/

An important data: it showed great cold hardiness,,, at -3º C it was not damaged at all.

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http://www.huertasurbanas.com/2013/11/21/tasting-my-first-surinam-cherry-eugenia-uniflora/

I feel that It’s the “end” of a long journey that began when I had a space to garden and became interested in indigenous fruits for its ease of cultivation (not ants, no pests, no diseases, do not die with our frosts, drought resistance, adapted to the regional ecosystem and promote it, give pleasant smell beautiful flowers and foliage, its fruits are very nutritious with high concentrations of vitamins and antioxidants, etc..). These unique features make them a part in the food sovereignty of a nation.

This specimen planted in the garden had been purchased as “red pitanga” but was mature in black (color that has the best reputation in the species).

So you could see the fruit on the tree today, November 21:




The pitanga or ñangapirí has ​​been a great mystery to me for over a year or more: I’ve read all about it, I’ve gotten many little ones and cultivated some plants from seeds, and I have received several comments in English, Spanish and Portuguese, some negative (more negative) because the fruit to be obtained from seed is very variable.

This particular went through the colors: yellow, magenta, red, dark red and black.

 



(November 16, red)

 

When came off today (3 days after arriving to the black color) my face broke into a big smile, at last I would unveil the mystery: would the pitanga fruit worth?



 

I took some photos and took the small fruit into the house. There are varieties 3 or 4 times larger than this, but to me that does not matter a lot: while it is tasty, size does not matter at all.

I cut with a sharp knife and it “bled” immediately casting a surprisingly fluid and attractive red, you could almost smell the sugar.



 

It took my mouth eagerly, not wanting to lose the opportunity to try something that seemed so weak yet voluptuous for its colors, shiny black skin, spilled red juice on the plate.

It was like a quick shock of sweetness and some acidity, reminded me of other “berries”, maybe raspberries or blackberries, but rather to some jam (something very sweet and already cooked) of such fruit. Anyway it does not tastes like anything I had tried before.

As a result of an only small piece, the experience passed quickly: I can say it has its own personality, I was not displeased at all (only the sepals of what was the flower are bitter, but we can avoid eating them), my fingers were stained with a violet color (easily dyed).

The taste did not remember any other fruit in the family Myrtaceae that had tried before: no red arazá (strawberry guava) reminded me, neither the Guaviyú (size and similar color), nor the feijoa or guava. That is neither good nor bad, but it shows that the fruit has its own personality. Also, some people says it tastes like tangerine, but I dont think that about this.




In all, what struck me most was that its unique touch of bitterness between such sweetness is what it makes it special to me: should try many more pitanga fruits to really understand the taste and conclude that it is a spectacular fruit, with an only one so small it is impossible to give a final conclusion; only 2 fruits left in other tree that will be tested in a few days to look if they are similar to this, then I have to wait several months to test a ñangapirí again.

So: give me more of that!!!

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Hi, just the first fruit! When I bought the plant, they told me it was the red variety, but as it ripens, it's getting too dark (it was white, green, yellow, orange, magenta, red, purple...) and it does not lies into my hand when i touch it, so... I dont know how many hours/days should I wait, or I dont know what sign should I spect... I mean, maybe it's a "black surinam cherry"




more photos:
http://www.huertasurbanas.com/2013/11/17/6346/

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / What about grumichama cold hardiness?
« on: November 13, 2013, 03:40:54 PM »

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Termitas en flores de guaviyu

Hello, yesterday and today I saw some ants in guabijú flowers

what intrigues me is: what are they doing there? not seem to be eating anything,

I do not think they are cutting ants because these from the video have brown ass while cutting ants are the black ass ones. This ones dont use to eat almost nothing here...just walk back and forth

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / red jabo seedling, growing fast
« on: November 02, 2013, 09:49:23 AM »
Hi, thanks to the seeds of Oscar, 16 of 25 seeds germinated and this is the most advanced one

This Jaboticaba was placed in a ziploc bag being just a seed at August 1.
At October 10, two months and 10 days later, showed a root, signs of germination, then was transplanted to a pot and at November 1, after just 20 days of transplantation and 3 months after planting, shows some leaves and 3 stems:



http://www.huertasurbanas.com/2013/11/02/jaboticaba-hibrido-rojo/

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Hi

This is my first air layer:



We are in spring now, should I wait 6 months or so to separate it from the mother tree?

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Hi, I should take some photos to uvaia (many flower buds), black pitanga (some fruit bearing) and strawberry guava (too many flower buds), but I have a little baby and dont have enought time; I took some photos to feijoas, guabiju, red pitanga and sete capotes, here we are in spring, it's being a very fine season because of abundant rains:

First red pitanga (5 years old or so) to bear some fruit :-D, I hope it tastes good! maybe in 1 month will try them...



First flower of this feijoa (I have 3 feijoas planted, 2 of them gave excelent fruits the last season)





First flowers of this 7 years old (or so), +3 m tall guabiju:





I hope I can taste some guabiju fruit from this tree by january.

Yesterday I made a tea out of dried guabiju leaves and it was super wonderful!

Sete capotes: this is the second season that this tree is flowering, the last spring-summer it flowered 3 times, now it has a lot of flower buds:



I love campomanesia genus (the smell of the flowers of sete capotes is great! and very ornamental tree), I have this campomanesia guazumifolia, but also has 2 xanthocarpa (guabiroba) (1 of them almost dead, but the other one is fine) and 8 seedlings of campomanesia guazumifolia (chamba/palillo) growing very fast.

The 2 guavas are just sprouting leaves, a lot, the last season I tried 2 excelent yellow-pink guavas, I miss them very much :D

More photos:

http://www.huertasurbanas.com/2013/10/22/paseo-por-frutales-myrtceae-autoctonos/

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Are tamarillo leaves edible?
« on: October 10, 2013, 11:41:15 AM »
Just that, they smeel fine to me...

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Hi

All papers talk about 20 to 40 days to germinate...

Look:

www.huertasurbanas.com/2013/10/09/jaboticaba-rojo-hybrido-germinando/

I received these seeds from fruitlovers.com, Oscar , Hawaii. The instructions ( detailed and accurate ) speaks of maintaining a humidity of 80 % ( something I'll never know because I dont have a device to measure that) and temperatures between 29 ° C (day ) and 24 ° C (night).

I can not believe that in just five days some seeds are producing their first roots !



6 seeds were planted in soil in a normal germinator-pot , which I put into a canister airtight plastic that was not completely closed because it would have too much moisture , the thermometer reads 29 ° C , but sometimes the temp rises to 32 º C or more :



The other 19 seeds were introduced into ziploc bags with paper towel dampened : these are what allow us to see how the roots come out .



The seeds took two long months to get from Hawaii: departed on August 1 and arrived on October 4 , gone through different climates and perhaps even here in Argentina spent some cold , that I'll never know , but for the high power germination , guess they have not had many problems and , for now, I have to say that the work of Oscar is excellent .


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I have 5 guaviyús , one is 3 meters tall and is 6 or 7 years old , It never even gave flowers , I planted it the last year; and I have another 4 guaviyús in pots , 4 years old, approx .

Of the pots , I gave away 2 to the family and one was planted in the food forest we are doing with a friend. The other remains in my garden, into a nice pot.

All of them sprouted this spring , and even one that I have in a pot in my garden continued sprouting here in the fall and part of winter.

But, what I want to tell you, that surprised me a lot, is that the one who gave my mother dobre (the mother of my wife) rebounded with leaves that double the size of the other guaviyús , and already has 2 buds , while no other one has buds! In fact it's very rare because this guaviyú does not receive a lot of sun...

I have the hope that the large leaves are large fruit symptom , since I do not know for sure the size of the fruits of all these guaviyús .

Last summer I tried a few fruits I brought from Buenos Aires , from another big tree (8 metters tall?) in front of a square, and they were very nice, but tiny.

Cheers

Photos:

http://www.huertasurbanas.com/2013/10/06/guaviyu-de-hojas-grandes-primeros-pompollos/

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