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Tomatoes reseeding in zone 6-7
« on: May 27, 2022, 02:41:42 AM »
Anyone ever encountered this. The other day i pulled out like 50 small seedlings of a black cherry tomato type ,that aparently overwintered in the soil from last years fallen spent tomatoes, there were many that fell and rotted on the ground.
The soil for most of the time had a somewhat thick layer of snow on top, yet i'm sure it froze at least one time to around 10 cm ar more.
No other tomato cultivars or scraps were grown or trown there ,so the seedlings are sure to be the black ckerry tomato offspring.
I have alot more to pull out this week ,they are really sprouting everywhere around, a total suprise for me....

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Re: Tomatoes reseeding in zone 6-7
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2022, 03:10:04 PM »
yes, tomatoes reseed here. sometimes peppers too

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Re: Tomatoes reseeding in zone 6-7
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2022, 03:22:52 PM »
Yes, they pop up everywhere.  Tomatos, squash, cilantro, onions, watermelons, cherimoyas, avocados,  sprouting all over the place. 
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Re: Tomatoes reseeding in zone 6-7
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2022, 03:31:16 PM »
So so much for the statement that tomatoes are tropical, i see a potential as a pest here if they can do this regularly ....

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Re: Tomatoes reseeding in zone 6-7
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2022, 04:06:57 PM »
So so much for the statement that tomatoes are tropical, i see a potential as a pest here if they can do this regularly ....

The secret is to eat 'em all up quickk before they can subsequently re-seed themselves a second or third season, leaving only enough to regrow that you'll want to eat the next season.

But since tomatoes are of tropical origin (México) the further south you are the more of 'em you will likely have to eat to keep 'em in check!  (Those tiny, almost-wild 'currant tomotoes' are really tasty but can be really prolific!)

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Re: Tomatoes reseeding in zone 6-7
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2022, 07:30:10 PM »
Yep. We call them volunteers around here.

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Re: Tomatoes reseeding in zone 6-7
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2022, 11:32:17 PM »
Very interestung! Most annual plants that can't survive freezing temperatures have seeds that will survive being frozen as long as they are completely dry. I know someone who stores all their garden seeds in the freezer--yes even beans and other tender plants like luffa. They even stored sugar apple seeds that way. I was shocked when those same sugar apple seeds sprouted after 6 months or more in the freezer! I don't have the nerve to pull stuff like that. With my luck I would stick them in there before they were completely dry and kill everything.  ::)

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Re: Tomatoes reseeding in zone 6-7
« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2022, 12:28:55 AM »
Very interestung! Most annual plants that can't survive freezing temperatures have seeds that will survive being frozen as long as they are completely dry. I know someone who stores all their garden seeds in the freezer--yes even beans and other tender plants like luffa. They even stored sugar apple seeds that way. I was shocked when those same sugar apple seeds sprouted after 6 months or more in the freezer! I don't have the nerve to pull stuff like that. With my luck I would stick them in there before they were completely dry and kill everything.  ::)

The had some giant seed bank in sweden or norway where they had millions of seeds stored frozen.  It was supposed to be the Noahs ark of seeds in case there was a major catastrophy and the world needed to replant.  Something happened with it and it flooded or something.  Would have to go check what went wrong.  But the point is they were freezing the seeds which makes them last much longer. 
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Re: Tomatoes reseeding in zone 6-7
« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2022, 01:34:18 PM »
That is the Svalbard Global Seed Vault. It is on an island in Norway. 
There was a higher amount of water than expected that got into the vault in 2016 but the seeds were not damaged.  It spooked authorities enough that they did some re-designing. 

It holds something like a million different crops. Pretty cool!

Too bad most of my favorites are recalcitrant, and can't be represented there...

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Re: Tomatoes reseeding in zone 6-7
« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2022, 03:55:21 PM »
Yes, tomato seeds readily sprout from fallen or discarded fruit in temperate areas, such as zone 7. In fact, this year, I have small tomato plants sprouting in an area that has not had tomatoes grown in it for two years, since 2020. So, those seeds have been in the ground for two winters.

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Re: Tomatoes reseeding in zone 6-7
« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2022, 10:46:26 PM »
At my old house there was a serious groundhog problem.  They would eat the tomatoes and you would find tomato plants growing in odd places from their droppings

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Re: Tomatoes reseeding in zone 6-7
« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2022, 08:46:00 AM »
Plantinyum I see you question if these could become A pest ?

If your up to it you could leave a few to see how they reseed or produce ?
What are your thoughts on that?

I too would love to try to determine what may be invasive responsibly (netting fruit running trials)
Maybe not by my own desires (of what others might do)

I do not have the land in this point in life .
(I know some native plants can be aggressive in t the native  climate
If I ever sell plants in a Nursery or even just have would like to let people know of the aggressive behavior - -
for instance native elderberry can spread -- would like to inform the people -- that is if I ever do sell  )

(edit oh, and educate myself with the arboretums testing plants as well  (Morten arboretum is close to me. in Chicago land. )

I have destroyed a few  invasive plants species , and also plan to warn others.

Very interestung! Most annual plants that can't survive freezing temperatures have seeds that will survive being frozen as long as they are completely dry. I know someone who stores all their garden seeds in the freezer--yes even beans and other tender plants like luffa. They even stored sugar apple seeds that way. I was shocked when those same sugar apple seeds sprouted after 6 months or more in the freezer! I don't have the nerve to pull stuff like that. With my luck I would stick them in there before they were completely dry and kill everything.  ::)

The had some giant seed bank in sweden or norway where they had millions of seeds stored frozen.  It was supposed to be the Noahs ark of seeds in case there was a major catastrophy and the world needed to replant.  Something happened with it and it flooded or something.  Would have to go check what went wrong.  But the point is they were freezing the seeds which makes them last much longer.

That is the Svalbard Global Seed Vault. It is on an island in Norway. 
There was a higher amount of water than expected that got into the vault in 2016 but the seeds were not damaged.  It spooked authorities enough that they did some re-designing. 


It holds something like a million different crops. Pretty cool!

Too bad most of my favorites are recalcitrant, and can't be represented there...

Carolyn



Just Checking the forum
They can also do cryogenic preservation of buds
One tree a year may cost $75 to $100 bucks a Year
Frozen buds in Nitrogen a year cost $1 buck
(see part of  post below)



I just saw how they can do this for apples
(copied from article)



(cryogenic process )
https://www.ars.usda.gov/northeast-area/geneva-ny/plant-genetic-resources-unit-pgru/docs/about-pgru/clonal-propagated-crops/cryopreservation-process/

(article)

https://www.ars.usda.gov/northeast-area/geneva-ny/plant-genetic-resources-unit-pgru/docs/about-pgru/clonal-propagated-crops/

here are typically two clones maintained for each accession in the Unit’s vineyard and orchard. Due to a large number of accessions housed, maintenance costs are very high. In fact, it costs $75 to $100 each year to maintain each whole tree or vine in the field, but only about $1 to preserve it cryogenically. This, coupled with the collection’s vulnerability to insect pests, diseases, and natural disasters, suggests that it is no longer prudent and cost effective to maintain the entire genetic diversity of these crops as whole plants.
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Re: Tomatoes reseeding in zone 6-7
« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2022, 12:26:46 PM »
Well they proved to reseed in my yard after a kinda severe winter , i was wondering for natural environments arround. If some bird scattered some seeds somewhere and years ahead at the place there happens to be an established poppulation, dunno this kinda feels like a long shot for a tomato ,at least in my climate.

At this point i wonder if i should take a few of the seedlings and grow them ,becouse i really like this type of tomato, even though i hardly have time to " shine " on all of the plants i have atm.

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Re: Tomatoes reseeding in zone 6-7
« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2022, 12:50:38 PM »
I am also not certain , but my guess is the wild seeds may eventually just adapt to tiny wild cherry tomato's
but not certain.

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But since tomatoes are of tropical origin (México) the further south you are the more of 'em you will likely have to eat to keep 'em in check!  (Those tiny, almost-wild 'currant tomotoes' are really tasty but can be really prolific!)

Just for the record Tomato is from South America not Mexico , but was brought there
I am trying to find the article now (about it moving about.)




(I know some native plants can be aggressive in t the native  climate
If I ever sell plants in a Nursery or even just have would like to let people know of the aggressive behavior - -
for instance native elderberry can spread -- would like to inform the people -- that is if I ever do sell  )



I have destroyed a few  invasive plants species , and also plan to warn others.


I hope I am not sounding like I am implying native plants are pests

Some plants are pioneer species   take over a area or colonize it so larger species can over take them.
« Last Edit: May 30, 2022, 12:55:02 PM by Francis_Eric »

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Re: Tomatoes reseeding in zone 6-7
« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2022, 01:10:37 PM »
cherry tomatoes are tropical and do well in the tropics but the larger ones for the most part are subtropical and they benefit from that cool weather in subtropical mountains. that's why i had problems growing the larger ones or they won't fruit at all but the tiny tims did fruit heavily and the roma type did fruit moderately. the same thing happens with some type of peppers such as hot peppers are tropical but the bell peppers are subtropical.

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Re: Tomatoes reseeding in zone 6-7
« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2022, 03:07:08 PM »
That is the Svalbard Global Seed Vault. It is on an island in Norway. 
There was a higher amount of water than expected that got into the vault in 2016 but the seeds were not damaged.  It spooked authorities enough that they did some re-designing. 

It holds something like a million different crops. Pretty cool!

Too bad most of my favorites are recalcitrant, and can't be represented there...

Carolyn

I am not certain if all tropical species can be preserved cryogenically , but here it says banana can

I do not think I know yet
maybe I will start a new post in the mean time ..

(I just happen to see this (I was reading about wild apples on a biodiversity site -- or to save it)

Have a Nice day.

https://alliancebioversityciat.org/services/genebanks/international-musa-germplasm-transit-centre