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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: A few available plants
« on: September 26, 2023, 05:59:46 PM »
Is it spondias mombin for the hog plum? If so, I'm interested.

Thanks palmtreeluke! I'll check those out.

Thus far I've been growing Pele's Smoke (mostly for ornamental reasons) and a yellow variety that I graciously got from Spaugh. The former is establishing well, and the latter has been growing like a weed, which is fantastic. Also got a baby Hilo Buddah that's staying in a pot until spring.

Awesome! Thanks for the heads up! I'll be buying some tomorrow.

Any recommendation on what you consider top tier varieties for chewing and juicing?

If any other Siam Jumbo cuttings become available, let me know.

Mine hasn't matured enough to get cuttings from, but it's very highly desired variety out here and I'd like to share the wealth with other local fruiting mulberry growers.

Another method folks can try that works well for me is moist long fibered sphagnum moss in a ziploc bag on a warming mat without direct light. Near 100% rooting success rate in my experience.

Key thing is to make sure the moss has been fully wrung out after it's been moistened, and to open the bag for a few minutes every few days to let in some fresh air.

Once rooted, I put it in a pot with some seed starting mix, then once fully rooted out, either put it in the ground in it's permanent spot (if that's an option), or in a pot with good quality potting soil that drains reasonably well.

elouicious, I'm still a beginner when talking about figs. I have only tasted 10 or so different varieties even though I do have more than 70 different varieties in pots now.

I hope to start reducing the collection to under 10 varieties once I get to taste each of these varieties. I'm glad for people like Simon and others who have experience growing and tasting the varieties and sharing their summary of the best 5 or 10 varieties, that helps. I just want the fig to taste better than the Brown Turkey. Most of these top tier figs are definitely much better tasting.

Tasting better than Brown Turkey is a low bar to set for it. ;)

I'm basing this just on the colors, but figs that are green on the outside when ripe and red on the inside tend to have a good balance of sweet and tart with a mild to strong berry flavor. What's that one like based on your own experience?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Thief Caught
« on: September 12, 2023, 03:27:18 PM »
Itís amazing how some folks have the COJONES to walk onto private property and start picking fruit !

exactly, I have seen no better reason for the second amendment until now. Set up deer cams

You seriously wouldn't consider shooting people who pick fruit from your trees, would you? Especially a child? Is that what we've come to?

Anyways, kids are kids. They don't understand the work and effort involved, nor the concept of private property for a tree that's out in the open for someone's front yard. They're teachable moments for when you catch them.

Parents taking their kids to pick the fruit though on someone's property? That's just wrong. They should know better, and I'd threaten them with trespassing personally (while directing my ire at the adult, and not the child because they don't deserve that).

Dang, bummer I missed this. Vegas is huge for hobbyist fig growing, myself included. Got about 15 varieties growing. Sadly no fig wasp, though we do have some folks that are doing manual pollination via caprifig harvesting.

Eager to see what the results of the testing are. We're always thirsty for more (potentially) common figs of high quality out here.

I'm curious, did you notice any significant fig drop of unripened fruit? That's usually the biggest indicator that it may not be common.

What's the flavor profile? I'm presuming based off of the size and coloration that it's a berry type and not sugar/honey?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sea grape/ coccoloba uvifera
« on: September 05, 2023, 01:00:38 PM »
At first I thought this was the edible latok algae also called "seagrapes".

I was like...wait...people here grow this too? Lol.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: WTB: Mulberry tree ďSixth StreetĒ
« on: September 05, 2023, 11:56:21 AM »
Any intel on this variety? Never heard of it.

I'm a little wary of a seller that claims World's Best is "absolutely delicious". ;)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Salt water "tolerance" in Mangoes?
« on: August 31, 2023, 12:24:11 PM »
This is just a theory from a desert rat far away from you, but I believe Florida's sandy, lower pH soils allow salts to wash away quickly and allow a higher tolerance to a high concentration for a short time.

I say that as salt retention (in our case mineral salts from our high pH soil, fertilization, and tap water) is a big problem with tropical and citrus plants here due to aforementioned tap water constantly putting it at risk of accumulation without soil washes and thorough draining watering, and poor draining clay soil that retains almost everything for extended periods of time.

I'm interested, but I'm also considered how it would handle our summer sun and winter temps.

I have heavy clay soil here. In places it looks exactly like pottery clay from art class. I planted 13 avocado trees this year  and they seem to be doing pretty well so far. The trick is matching the irrigation to their needs. I have one spot I have tried three avocado trees. If they are not looking perky after 3 or 4 months then something is wrong. For me itís usually not having steady moisture. The third tree in that spot started to look limp and I gave it a soak yesterday and itís back. Avocados donít have big roots until they are very mature. Most of their roots are on the surface. If you mulch a foot or two above the ground they have feeler roots that start to grow into the mulch. They can thrive with most of their roots being in the mulch and only going down a foot into the ground. So I donít know from your specific numbers but I donít think thereís a specific bad soil for avocados that they canít adapt to with mulch and careful irrigation and gypsum. They also take top working very well so I would just toss seeds all over the place and graft onto the survivors.

Itís not fatty but white sapote seems to grow well - a little faster and tougher than an avocado tree.

Same here, with the added bonus of what's there being extremely compacted, and filled with rocks and caliche.

Drainage is the biggest X-factor, aside from overly high pH. As long as drainage is fine, and pH gets balanced somewhat with elemental sulfur and mulch, they seem do to ok and don't get root rot.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing Maqui berry in the desert
« on: August 24, 2023, 01:20:57 PM »
Could be, they are native to Chilean mountains were humidity is lower because of the elevation and cooler temps.

Not sure if I have it in me to hit the reset button and invest another three or four years to get edible berries when I can just buy the powder in bulk online. As an experiment, it served it's purpose.

As for the seaberry tangent, most of those didn't make it either. Our Vegas sun is just too brutal for full contact sun all day. However, three of them are still hanging on. Titan died all the way down to the base and has one tiny offshoot that's sprouted and is growing. Sunny is ratty looking, but still fully alive with some foliage and some new growth is starting to poke out with our cooler temps. Tatiana, which remained in a pot in my backyard with a good amount of shade, is doing just fine. Eva, the Male, Golden Sweet, Orange Glow, and Sirola all bit the dust. So, lesson learned from these, full sun doesn't mean full sun here.

Based off of what is viable and relatively easy to grow out here:

1. Figs.
2. Fruiting mulberries.
3. Citrus, specifically mandarins, oranges, and kumquats.
4. Stone Fruit (low chill hour requirement varities).
5. Olives (if you're lucky enough to either have an older tree that's still technically legal, or a backyard no one monitors to grow them).

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: SoCal Tropical Storm Watch
« on: August 24, 2023, 12:48:01 PM »
Had to drive from Vegas to Santa Monica and back for work on Monday and Tuesday. Didn't see a single drop of water on the road both ways. Only remnants of the storm I noticed were big ponds of water in Primm, and ungodly levels of humidity in Santa Monica. Felt like I needed gills to breathe.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing Maqui berry in the desert
« on: August 21, 2023, 01:09:08 PM »
Well, some bad news. My bush died.

Apparently, pruning them when they're under stress is a really, really bad idea. It had been stressed out from our hotter than normal summer with a lot of the leaves crisping up, but nothing it hasn't survived and bounced back from before. My wife pruned it somewhat as it was creeping into the walkway. Within four days the whole thing was black and dead.

Lesson learned, but a huge bummer. :(

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: SoCal Tropical Storm Watch
« on: August 21, 2023, 12:58:06 PM »
The continued Arizona and Nevada erasure on this site will be tolerated no more!!!!

We desert folk should be used to it by now. Lol.

It rained heavily in Vegas yesterday and medium showers here and there on Friday and Saturday, but it wasn't anything that was extraordinary. Didn't hold a candle to the three straight weeks of medium to heavy rain we had back in February of 2005. Still largely overcast but I don't think we're getting anything more than some scattered minor showers from this point.

Thankfully this looks to have been not nearly as destructive as advertised everywhere it's path has crossed and just ended up being some good rain. I'm sure Lake Mead is happy with it.


I'd love to see how this does in Vegas. We're able to go grapes fairly reliably here and I have a few vines in my yard.

If I don't win the auction, please keep me in mind for the fall when you have more for sale.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: New Kumquat Variety?
« on: August 15, 2023, 05:14:12 PM »
One more variety to add to the collection...

Definitely waiting until this is sold from a more trusted vendor at a better price though.

Of course, the obvious question, is how to get some plants/cuttings of this beast for us to grow?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Contorted Mulberry Tree
« on: August 14, 2023, 02:12:44 PM »
Anyone know if the contorted cuttings from here are fruiting or male?

I'll reach out to them to ask if no one is sure.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Big mulberry tree
« on: August 11, 2023, 12:08:42 PM »
We have some that size here in Vegas that were planted back in the 40s-70s. Mulberries, olives, and sometimes figs were yard decoration staples because of how easy they were to grow in our desert climate. There's a steakhouse here called Bob Taylor's Ranch House that is still open after 70 years and there's several of them in the parking lot that were planted back in the mid 50s. They're massive.

Unfortunately, since then, mulberry plantings became rare due to how much males put out pollen and wreak havoc on everyone's seasonal allergies, and were eventually banned in 1991 along with fruiting olives. Existing trees were all grandfathered in as legal, but many folks opted to cut them down anyways due to the leaf litter in winter and pollen output. All the huge ones I've seen are male or sterile. I've read that mulberries can change gender from female to male once they reach a certain age, but I don't know how true that is.

While fruiting trees were/are still legal, the ban also halted all sales of mulberries, male or female, from any local stores. Only now with the advent of the internet and a huge spike in gardening interest as a hobby have fruiting mulberries started to make a comeback.

Looking at the table, it appears to be highly tolerant of it, but not necessarily resistant.

Looks like there's a newer SuperSour improved version of Sour Orange that may be a good candidate.

Also, was looking at US-802 and US-942 as possible candidates. Supposedly they're rock stars in general as rootstock, but I haven't been able to get much info on their clay/salinty/higher PH tolerance.

EDIT - Found this nifty table and US-942 looks like the way to go.

And luckily, Madison Citrus sells it!

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