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My Van Dyke and Nam Doc Mai #4 mangoes
« on: May 14, 2012, 01:58:31 PM »
Really like the coloration on this Van Dyke and I like the small size fruit. The photo is washed out by sunlight and does not do justice to the coloration. Other ones got blown off this year. Tree is about 4 ft tall. I have not tasted it yet.  I have other larger productive mango trees planted 2008 but these are two hot prospects from my bush league

Also included is my little NDM#4 (3.5 ft high) putting forth lots of nice fruit for its size. I have three other NDM trees (one is the old type) but only this one has fruit this year.  A much larger NDM#4 gave me nada. Bought this NDM#4 at Home Depot same as the Van Dyke. Both originated at Pine Island Nursery

All the below trees were planted last year except the Kent mango planted 2008



NDM#4 mighty mouse if you look hard you will count 4 mangoes (origin is Pine Island Nursery)



Van D  ....... had more good size developing mangoes but they got blown off by spring winds. But at least it is flushing with new growth to be bigger and better next season. (origin is Pine Island Nursery)



Van D  ....  small size mango..... me like

Check out this small (3-4ft high) Murcott tangerine with lots of fruit set...also called "honey tangerine". Batting .777 in the bush leagues. Bought at Home Depot, origin is probably Record Buck Nursery



This Kent tree is 12 ft high but only five fruits this year. Propping up the fruits with the visible wood stick. Bought at Lowes, origin is Pine Island Nursery



Pickering producing planted last year....yardstick there to gauge the size. Origin is the Zill nursery










« Last Edit: May 14, 2012, 09:13:23 PM by zands »

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Re: My Van Dyke and Nam Doc Mai #4 mangoes
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2012, 02:04:48 PM »
here is my Nam Doc Mai, fighting all the odds to put a fruit. LOL



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Re: My Van Dyke and Nam Doc Mai #4 mangoes
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2012, 02:46:16 PM »
Nice mango trees Zands!  :) I'm hoping my ndm #4 would bloom in august/september like it did last year before I planted it in the ground. It had 5 grape sized fruit on one panicle before I cut it off the tree right before planting in October. It went through two large growth flushes since and the trunk is thicker.
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Re: My Van Dyke and Nam Doc Mai #4 mangoes
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2012, 02:54:16 PM »
Wow look at that Pickering go!  Nice mango trees :-)

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Re: My Van Dyke and Nam Doc Mai #4 mangoes
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2012, 05:23:41 PM »
Nice mango trees Zands!  :) I'm hoping my ndm #4 would bloom in august/september like it did last year before I planted it in the ground. It had 5 grape sized fruit on one panicle before I cut it off the tree right before planting in October. It went through two large growth flushes since and the trunk is thicker.

From what I have seen NDM get a survival panic in a nursery size pot so send out panicles at odd times. I removed panicles that then grew back. Once planted they calm down. But I do have a planted NDM and a planted Pim Seng Mun that put out new panicles 14 days ago. But so far I see no fruit formation

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Re: My Van Dyke and Nam Doc Mai #4 mangoes
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2012, 05:27:58 PM »
I can testify to Zands statement. My Nam Doc Mai has mere 9 or 10 leaves, its a high graft and was planted into ground in Sep 2011. Since then it got its first growth flush via blooms. I was advised to remove the blooms. Then 6 weeks later I find new growth and yet again, its blooms. The ree wants to bloom, this time I will let it have its way.  I want to see what its up to.

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Re: My Van Dyke and Nam Doc Mai #4 mangoes
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2012, 08:18:22 PM »
For some reason, I had thought the Van Dyke was like the Tommy Atkins of European mango planting... Now I'm not sure where I got that idea. Please set me straight - what is the fruit quality and growing habit like?

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Re: My Van Dyke and Nam Doc Mai #4 mangoes
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2012, 08:29:48 PM »
Congratulations on your healthy Murcott!
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Re: My Van Dyke and Nam Doc Mai #4 mangoes
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2012, 08:31:54 PM »
Thanks for sharing your awesome mango trees Zands ,, i love your murcott tangerine ,, i love it soo sweet and late in the season ,,

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Re: My Van Dyke and Nam Doc Mai #4 mangoes
« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2012, 09:06:43 PM »
For some reason, I had thought the Van Dyke was like the Tommy Atkins of European mango planting... Now I'm not sure where I got that idea. Please set me straight - what is the fruit quality and growing habit like?


Here is something on the Van Dyke mango
http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/tropicalfruits/msg0819504524754.html

http://www.tropicalfruitnursery.com/mango/van-dyke-mango.shtml

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Dyke_(mango)

It seems people are not too impressed with it....it's just an average mango. I planted it due to its reputation for being anthracnose resistant. Plus the red color and relatively small size of the fruits

Here is the wikipedia photo


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Re: My Van Dyke and Nam Doc Mai #4 mangoes
« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2012, 09:11:19 PM »
For some reason, I had thought the Van Dyke was like the Tommy Atkins of European mango planting... Now I'm not sure where I got that idea. Please set me straight - what is the fruit quality and growing habit like?


Here is something on the Van Dyke mango
http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/tropicalfruits/msg0819504524754.html

http://www.tropicalfruitnursery.com/mango/van-dyke-mango.shtml

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Dyke_(mango)

It seems people are not too impressed with it....it's just an average mango. I planted it due to its reputation for being anthracnose resistant. Plus the red color and relatively small size of the fruits

Here is the wikipedia photo


I tasted them from Truly Tropical last year and they had decent flavor.  I would compare the texture to a Haden.
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Re: My Van Dyke and Nam Doc Mai #4 mangoes
« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2012, 11:27:49 PM »
Van Dyke is essentially a smaller, more consistently productive, later-season Haden. Has the same-issues Haden does with internal breakdown too.

Tommy Atkins isn't a fair comparison though beyond that they're both commercial mangoes. Van Dyke is better than TA.
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Re: My Van Dyke and Nam Doc Mai #4 mangoes
« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2012, 01:34:28 PM »
Van Dyke is essentially a smaller, more consistently productive, later-season Haden. Has the same-issues Haden does with internal breakdown too.

Tommy Atkins isn't a fair comparison though beyond that they're both commercial mangoes. Van Dyke is better than TA.

I like your description. I like Hayden so a smaller, more consistent and later Hayden is fine by me and makes me feel better about planting it. I have a Gold (aka Golden) Nugget mango tree that is coming along great with 10 fruits this year. Gold Nugget is rarely discussed. Do you have a short take on it? GN is a late season tree

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Re: My Van Dyke and Nam Doc Mai #4 mangoes
« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2012, 03:27:11 PM »
I have been debating planting a Van Dyke tree out in my yard looks like a decent all-around cultivar.   

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Re: My Van Dyke and Nam Doc Mai #4 mangoes
« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2012, 03:38:45 PM »
I have been debating planting a Van Dyke tree out in my yard looks like a decent all-around cultivar.   


Here is something on the Van Dyke mango.... Harry's take on it there I think in two diff comments
http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/tropicalfruits/msg0819504524754.html

It is has colorful red small fruits. It would look good in a front yard for showing off and if some get stolen then so be it. But being a small fruit less attractive to thieves. I have mine in my front yard but not close to the street

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Re: My Van Dyke and Nam Doc Mai #4 mangoes
« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2012, 07:23:45 PM »
Van Dyke is essentially a smaller, more consistently productive, later-season Haden. Has the same-issues Haden does with internal breakdown too.

Tommy Atkins isn't a fair comparison though beyond that they're both commercial mangoes. Van Dyke is better than TA.

I like your description. I like Hayden so a smaller, more consistent and later Hayden is fine by me and makes me feel better about planting it. I have a Gold (aka Golden) Nugget mango tree that is coming along great with 10 fruits this year. Gold Nugget is rarely discussed. Do you have a short take on it? GN is a late season tree

Gold Nugget is typically a very productive, small-to-medium sized mango. Has good anthracnose resistance, color is yellow. I've been relatively unimpressed by the flavor. Seems to get washed out some by late-season rain. It is definitely on the mild side. To its credit, it was one of the few cultivars that produced well during the dreadful 2010 season.

If you are looking for a good late-season mango there are more flavorful options, imo. Beverly is one productive late-season variety with superior flavor.

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Re: My Van Dyke and Nam Doc Mai #4 mangoes
« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2012, 07:31:59 PM »
Van Dyke is essentially a smaller, more consistently productive, later-season Haden. Has the same-issues Haden does with internal breakdown too.

Tommy Atkins isn't a fair comparison though beyond that they're both commercial mangoes. Van Dyke is better than TA.

I like your description. I like Hayden so a smaller, more consistent and later Hayden is fine by me and makes me feel better about planting it. I have a Gold (aka Golden) Nugget mango tree that is coming along great with 10 fruits this year. Gold Nugget is rarely discussed. Do you have a short take on it? GN is a late season tree

Gold Nugget is typically a very productive, small-to-medium sized mango. Has good anthracnose resistance, color is yellow. I've been relatively unimpressed by the flavor. Seems to get washed out some by late-season rain. It is definitely on the mild side. To its credit, it was one of the few cultivars that produced well during the dreadful 2010 season.

If you are looking for a good late-season mango there are more flavorful options, imo. Beverly is one productive late-season variety with superior flavor.
Funny, I have been unimpressed by Beverly.  For best late season flavor I would have to go with Neelam.
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Re: My Van Dyke and Nam Doc Mai #4 mangoes
« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2012, 07:55:05 PM »
Van Dyke is essentially a smaller, more consistently productive, later-season Haden. Has the same-issues Haden does with internal breakdown too.

Tommy Atkins isn't a fair comparison though beyond that they're both commercial mangoes. Van Dyke is better than TA.

I like your description. I like Hayden so a smaller, more consistent and later Hayden is fine by me and makes me feel better about planting it. I have a Gold (aka Golden) Nugget mango tree that is coming along great with 10 fruits this year. Gold Nugget is rarely discussed. Do you have a short take on it? GN is a late season tree

Gold Nugget is typically a very productive, small-to-medium sized mango. Has good anthracnose resistance, color is yellow. I've been relatively unimpressed by the flavor. Seems to get washed out some by late-season rain. It is definitely on the mild side. To its credit, it was one of the few cultivars that produced well during the dreadful 2010 season.

If you are looking for a good late-season mango there are more flavorful options, imo. Beverly is one productive late-season variety with superior flavor.
Funny, I have been unimpressed by Beverly.  For best late season flavor I would have to go with Neelam.

And I've never really been wow-ed by Neelam, haha. In India it is considered one of the finer dessert mangoes , but its flavor is 'ok' to me. Maybe my expectations of it have been too high. Though it should be pointed out that Neelam is almost in a category of its own in terms of season.  They often hold fruit into October, while GN and Beverly are done by the end of August.

Beverly, for me, has been a richly flavored mango, especially compared to its other late-season counterparts. I've always been impressed by its production habits, consistency, fungus resistance, and flavor. The trees are also only medium-sized and relatively easy to control. Neelam falls into a similar category though with most of those characteristics.


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Re: My Van Dyke and Nam Doc Mai #4 mangoes
« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2012, 01:34:37 AM »


Gold Nugget is typically a very productive, small-to-medium sized mango. Has good anthracnose resistance, color is yellow. I've been relatively unimpressed by the flavor. Seems to get washed out some by late-season rain. It is definitely on the mild side. To its credit, it was one of the few cultivars that produced well during the dreadful 2010 season.

If you are looking for a good late-season mango there are more flavorful options, imo. Beverly is one productive late-season variety with superior flavor.

Thanks much for all the information. I will look into the Beverly though I really have no more room. In the bad year of 2010 Pickering trees produced...so I have been told.

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Re: My Van Dyke and Nam Doc Mai #4 mangoes
« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2012, 04:54:07 AM »
Hi Zands,

The mango trees look freak'n awesome 8) Luv the low hanging mango fruit ;)

THX for sharing :)
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Re: My Van Dyke and Nam Doc Mai #4 mangoes
« Reply #20 on: May 16, 2012, 06:17:34 AM »
I would echo much of what has been said about Gold Nuggett, Beverly and Neelam.  I would defintely give either Neelam or Beverly the nod over Gold Nuggett flavor-wise.  As to whether Neelam or Beverly is better, its like comparing apples and oranges.  One is late and the other is later.  Beverly is a larger fruit.  Both are excellent in eating quality.  Neelam would be preferred by those that prefer an Indian style mango.  Beverly compares quite favorably with the other late cultivars.....Keitt and Kent, I actually prefer it to either one flavor-wise.

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Re: My Van Dyke and Nam Doc Mai #4 mangoes
« Reply #21 on: May 18, 2012, 06:21:09 AM »
Nice trees Zands, I love the color on your Van Dyke Mango and so many fruits on your Murcott for being so small, great job!

Good luck with your NDM Behlgarden...hope it gives you a few fruits.

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Re: My Van Dyke and Nam Doc Mai #4 mangoes
« Reply #22 on: May 18, 2012, 09:20:41 AM »
Zands, nice trees.  Thanks for sharing the pictures.
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