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I think it may be one (of many) Philodendron species, my best guess is Philodendron jacquinii based on the leaf.

Images of the fruit look similar as well, though I cant find much consistent documentation or pictures on immature and ripe fruits.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Fresh INGA pods DELICIOUS!!
« on: February 14, 2024, 10:16:19 PM »
Man, these inga pods were delicious!! Very sweet with a nice pleasant flavor, good flesh-to-seed ratio. Thank you for the opportunity to try this variety.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help! Giant granadilla disease!
« on: February 12, 2024, 08:21:51 PM »
Did you recently re-pot the plants? Are they fully rooted cuttings? Whats the ambient temperature and whats your light source?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Zone 9b/10a Driveway Hedge
« on: February 07, 2024, 06:49:42 PM »
My Jabo's are fine in full sun, maybe pick up a couple larger plants at a nursery?
Garcinia humilis could work too.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is sweet granadilla self fertile?
« on: February 06, 2024, 11:42:21 AM »
The general consensus I've read for the Granadilla's (passiflora ligularis and passiflora quadrangularis) is that they are not self-fertile, though it can vary down to the specimen depending on genetics/hybridization. I would recommend a pollinator companion.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Shine grapes - Sale
« on: February 06, 2024, 11:37:33 AM »
I ordered around 11:30 last night after seeing this post and got it for $11, no additional codes. Got a couple purple caimito as well.
I assume the site registered an uptick in interest on the grapes and took away the sale.

@Jabo im excited to see how these taste but my vine is looking rough :'( :'( Hoping its just the colder weather but it may have picked up PD at some point. Pests this winter are as relentless as the sun in summer.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting citrus to sapote
« on: February 03, 2024, 11:52:04 PM »
Generally speaking, species under the same genus may be genetically similar enough for graft compatibility. White sapote (genus Casimiroa) and Citrus are too distant, whereas peaches, plums and cherries all fall under the genus Prunus and can be grafted as a cocktail tree.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Fresh INGA pods DELICIOUS!!
« on: February 02, 2024, 07:33:14 PM »
Delicious is right, PMd!

Spent like half an hour searching my photos... found everything but the fruit lol.

I found this picture online; to my recollection, the last two fruits I ate looked almost identical to the one pictured, maybe slightly larger. One ripened in two weeks, the other ripened after a month and a half. I was surprised how evenly ripe they were considering their size.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: ISO Black Sapote Scions
« on: February 02, 2024, 12:06:30 AM »
I love Matt's Giant sapote, probably the best variety in the states (though not much to compare to). Superb size and flavor and the OG tree is gorgeous. I wish my grafts had been successful; im too embarrassed to ask Matt for more scionwood lol.

But I was fortunate to get in touch with him and view his enormous farm in Homestead; he's put a lot of effort into Jacks and mangos. He expressed dissatisfaction with nurseries selling Matts Giant/Matt Snow since he had no quality control with that and someone supposedly shared that budwood against his directly expressed wishes. Anything on eBay is definitely not it.

If you have the opportunity to get in contact with him and/or travel down to Homestead, I would recommend it. Super nice guy and more than willing to share if you're kind and respectful.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Papaya air layering
« on: February 01, 2024, 01:36:24 PM »
If you are running out of space and think an airlayer may take too much time, I recommend trying to just root cuttings. I have done this with my standard papaya's and Mountain papaya (pictured below) and always find it relatively easy.

I can't find a good picture of the fully developed roots, but here is my method (started April '23) and one of the spare plants that I sold (November '23). I kept another one of these plants for myself that was ~2x the size as the one pictured, but I recently gave it to a friend and never took a photo.


I used a seed starting potting mix with a touch of perlite. I've used this method on more plants with some success, though I would recommend a much thinner layer of perlite at the bottom. The one pictured was my first attempt with this method.
I cut drainage holes in the bottom and along the side of the bottom of the cup. Nowadays I will also wrap longer cuttings with grafting tape or put another cup on top of small cuttings (with ventilation) to create a humidity dome.

With this, you can focus on shaping your remaining potted papaya plants and not have to worry about the impact of a developing airlayer.

Potential 'hardier' roostock for mangosteen?

Appreciate the info. I assumed it was too tropical, but people have been trying to establish breadfruit with some success (further south than me); I guess my question was more geared toward South FL growers.
I would imagine a 'wetland' with some tree cover/brush could create a suitable microclimate.

My understanding is that jacks/chemps can tolerate some flooding, but don't like wet feet or saturated conditions. Hopefully more info develops on A. kemando in the coming years cause I doubt anyone's attempting this experiment here right now lol.

Curious if anyone has experience with A. kemando in the U.S.

Was browsing Anderson Tropicals and saw seeds for sale; a little more reading and I found that they thrive in tropical lowland swamps. In the same sense that people suggest pond apple for wetlands/saturated soils for grafting Annonas, I wonder if this could be a good rootstock for similar soil conditions for grafting jackfruit or other artocarpus species.
Such little information online, interested in peoples thoughts and experiences.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: FORUM MEMBER TFL77 PLEASE CONTACT ME
« on: January 24, 2024, 06:24:38 PM »

If you have not already received a response from TFL77, know that he has had issues with USPS delivery due to zoning issues with Miami-Dade County, further details of which I am not aware.

A couple months ago I sent him a large package of plants and had to mail it in person at the post office; they said they will attempt delivery even if the address isn't registered in their system. My package was delivered within a couple days with no issue, though TFL77 mentioned that sometimes it doesn't always arrive. The address exists on the Miami-Dade County assessor site and Google Maps, as well as his farm on Google, so delivery should be fine.

If you don't hear back for a bit, message me and I can confirm the shipping address.

In my experience, RevivalR00ts has always been an absolute pleasure to work with and buy from. I can't imagine that a well-renowned seller with a massive collection is going to be hoarding scions from a giveaway to sell, especially... mulberries. The only issues I've ever experienced is accidentally killing the wonderful things I have purchased  ;)

With that, Nate, you also have a great reputation on the forum, though I don't think I have purchased from you personally. Its pretty obvious that your initial comment was retaliatory from the burkartiana post, and I think that the issue you described here could likely be addressed privately before stirring up the pot on forum posts, regardless of prior disagreements and/or differences of opinions.

This is a forum to share a wealth of knowledge and material to expand fruit growing, not a place for drama. I think all parties should treat each other with kindness and respect, whether its a species correction, disagreement, or sales post, as that will only improve the efficacy of the TFF  ;D

Onward from that, anyone interested in these mulberry varieties should definitely contact RevivalR00ts while available! Looks like some interesting Persian varieties that I'm not really familiar with.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best neglected fruit trees in south FL
« on: January 21, 2024, 10:08:27 AM »
Bananas dont seem to get too upset about things once well-established. Any pioneer species will do good on poor soils, like Ice Cream Bean's, Strawberry tree/Jamaican cherry, mulberries. Establishing a nitrogen-fixer will go a long way.
Can also consider dragonfruit, pineapples, papayas. Ive seen loquats and longans neglected by growers in S FL and they seem to do fine, though fruit quality is likely poor.

Once you establish some shade or if you already have, you could probably start some passionvines and granadilla. Any wet or overly saturated areas can probably start some pond apple to use as future rootstock.

Scott, if you dont find anyone to trade/buy from here, your best bet would be to browse the North American Scion Exchange on Facebook.
I took a quick look and saw Daniel Spencer offer Tropical Treat, along with a ton of other great varieties, throughout most of last year for $5 a stick. He also considers trades. That would probably be a good bet.

Best of luck bovine, I rarely see anyone mention melons down here.

I had some korean melons going strong but I removed the vines before fruiting cause they took up too much space. Apparently they can tolerate the heat down here but they'll die in the full FL summer sun. Might be worth a try, though they are fairly susceptible to all the same pests and diseases as cucumbers. Personally not aware of 'healthier' or more tolerant varieties that could grow well in FL, let me know how things work out!

I had a ton of Noir des Carmes muskmelon seeds and seedlings that I passed throughout FL last spring. Never heard any updates though, so I assume they weren't successful.

I wonder if a quick-fruiting, early grower like Sweet Granite could be grown late-Winter through Spring before the heat picks up too much? May have to try it, seeing as I likely have trellis space clearing up... (keep fighting, table grapes!).

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Yangmei Ice Cream
« on: January 13, 2024, 11:37:49 AM »
Made some yangmei ice cream with some frozen fruit this past weekend and had it with the wife-

I really really liked it-

Hope to be getting some crops in texas in a few years, these were unnamed fruit

How was the consistency of the ice cream? Curious what the water content is of the fruit, haven't tried yangmei yet.
Glad y'all had to opportunity to do so, looks really good!

I feel like a nicely ripe canistel would mix perfectly with vanilla ice cream.

Lance (palologrower) has had multiple Theobroma species this year, including gileri. Fairly priced and quick shipping.

Starting from seed is the best whether it be pushing ultra tropical or low chill stuff in a hotter climate.
Itís been tried and true.

Sorry the pawpaw didnít work out for you Dan.
I gotta send you a message one of these days regarding a trade :) hope you are doing well.

lol No worries boss, no blame on you! I shouldve sent that tree back to IL.
I agree that starting from seed is definitely the best in hot climates.

@Brian - It was very interesting to me, having grown up in IL where pawpaw are native, that I too never met a soul that knew they existed. When I got older and looked into it online, I was suprised that there are tons of random pawpaw festivals and orchards throughout the more rural areas of the midwest.
Looks like you just missed the York County Annual Pawpaw Fest...

I think chill is more complicated than most "chilling unit" or "chill hours" calculations can capture. It seems that west coast growers have much better results with things that are "high-chill," as compared to similar USDA zones in the southeast.

I strongly suspect that's because what some plants (like pawpaw) really need in order to fruit well is a winter season without hot weather, rather than needing true chill hours. The "mediterranean" climate of the west coast usually results in fewer warm days than the same growing zones in the southeast, even if the cold may not be low enough to qualify as "chill hours."

I know, for example, that many people in southern CA have had luck with apples and peaches that simply do not produce in the southeast, even in lower hardiness zones in the southeast.

Which is all to say that your question probably should really be limited to the west coast if you want to get answers applicable to your own situation, and that growers in the southeast should take with a grain of salt any successes they hear about from southern CA.

Phenomenal summary by drymifolia.

Really is just too hot and wet down here for the most part.

My experience has been poor, though I do wish I had more space (and time) to work with things.
I bought a beautiful Susquehanna off Jabo45. Though I adjusted it slowly (fenced + partially shaded yard, conditions are good), peak summer was too intense and the graft died after awhile, but the rootstock continued to grow. I planted a bunch of seeds from fruit I ordered too and had great germination after a few weeks in the fridge, but I sold them all.
I suppose starting from seed may be the play, though who knows how long that'll take to actually find one to produce fruit with low-chill (and tasty fruit, at that).

I think JCorte has been growing pawpaw in CA, Laguna Beach with some success? (or somewhere in Orange County). Im no South Cali expert, but I think the more temperate weather (relative to FL) offers way better growing conditions for most potential zone-pushers.

I tried Honeyberry as well, the strawberry sensation are being trialed for Zone 9-10 so I thought I'd hop on the bandwagon. Unfortunately, my 3-gals suffered the same mid-Summer fate as my pawpaws. They were thriving for months with dappled shade.

There are some stone fruits i'd like to try but the few people I know bothering with tropical peaches here have never gotten fruit set.

Overall, I'd say my poor experience is more from lack of proper care in more intense + direct sun; but if a healthy, mature plant can't tolerate it, especially compared to plenty of thriving plants here suited to these conditions, I dont think its ready to stretch this far south - yet.
I think any potential zone pushers would fare much better in South Cali, given you can provide it adequate water. And honeyberries are dope, I recommend honeyberryusa.

I have a few scions I can trim off my Pollock. Found it to be more vigorous, pest-resistant (with proper care), and more full-sun tolerant than my choquette. PM if interested.

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