Abiu Relatives

[Rob From Sydney]

I am a big Abiu fan, and I was wondering if they had some similar relatives.
I have heard about Pouteria Torta, I would love to find out some other species.
Cheers!

[mangaba]

I am a big Abiu fan, and I was wondering if they had some similar relatives.
I have heard about Pouteria Torta, I would love to find out some other species.
Cheers!
How many varieties of Abiu do you have ? In my garden I have the round one and the other variety more spindle shaped.  Do you have Caimito ? The green skin and the pinkisk skin variety ?

[Dimitry Fisher]

I am a big Abiu fan, and I was wondering if they had some similar relatives.
I have heard about Pouteria Torta, I would love to find out some other species.
Cheers!

Genus Pouteria is a mess, there's a bunch of more or less recent papers about how to reorganize this and other closely related genera.  In old nomenclature, the more common species people grow are P. campechiana, glomerata, hypoglauca, lucuma, sapota, etc., as well as Chrysophyllum cainito, oliviforme, etc.

[Dimitry Fisher]

or do you mean - similar tasting? 

[Rob From Sydney]

I have 7 Abiu seedlings that are about 15cm tall, grown from seeds I got from fresh fruit about 6 months ago. I'm not sure about the variety, but I do know that some of my seedlings have thin leaves, and some with broad leaves.

or do you mean - similar tasting? 

I'm mostly interesting in similar fruits, in taste maybe, I'm more focussed transluscent-ish flesh colour and that odd, gelatinous (I think, from memory) texture that sets it apart from other Pouterias like canistel.

[djseaquist]

If you mean similar tasting, I'll recommend Sapote de Mico (Pouteria gallifructa sym. Pouteria torta ssp. gallifructa). It is much easier to grow and is cold tolerant. My couple month old seedlings survived my zone 10a winter without any issue.

[Rob From Sydney]

If you mean similar tasting, I'll recommend Sapote de Mico (Pouteria gallifructa sym. Pouteria torta ssp. gallifructa). It is much easier to grow and is cold tolerant. My couple month old seedlings survived my zone 10a winter without any issue.

Have you ever tasted one? I've seen pictures of seedlings that resemble abiu, but the fruit look small and hard to eat. Are they?

[djseaquist]

If you mean similar tasting, I'll recommend Sapote de Mico (Pouteria gallifructa sym. Pouteria torta ssp. gallifructa). It is much easier to grow and is cold tolerant. My couple month old seedlings survived my zone 10a winter without any issue.

Have you ever tasted one? I've seen pictures of seedlings that resemble abiu, but the fruit look small and hard to eat. Are they?

Unfortunately, I haven't tried them yet. I read they taste similar to Abiu. Based on the photos I seen, the flesh-to-seed ratio looks good enough.

[Rob From Sydney]

If you mean similar tasting, I'll recommend Sapote de Mico (Pouteria gallifructa sym. Pouteria torta ssp. gallifructa). It is much easier to grow and is cold tolerant. My couple month old seedlings survived my zone 10a winter without any issue.

Have you ever tasted one? I've seen pictures of seedlings that resemble abiu, but the fruit look small and hard to eat. Are they?

Unfortunately, I haven't tried them yet. I read they taste similar to Abiu. Based on the photos I seen, the flesh-to-seed ratio looks good enough.

Well I'll have to buy some seeds. Thank you.

[Rob From Sydney]

I would love to bring this topic back up as I have recenly heard of another fruit similar to Abiu: Pouteria Bullata.
According to Trade Winds Fruits, the tree grows 20-40 feet tall, Hardy to about 26F, and has fruits are described as "similar to the Abiu, (but they) tend to be more rounded".
I would love some more information on this species. It sounds interesting! 

[SplorKeLZ]

You may want to look into the genus Chrysophyllum, im pretty it has a lot of Abiu like fruits

right now bellamytrees has something interesting that looks similar to abiu https://www.bellamytrees.com/seeds/p/micropholis-venulosa-2-seed-pack

[SplorKeLZ]

Pouteria Venosa looks pretty jelly-like too. I just got a few seeds from Bellamy and will report on how they grow!

[Rob From Sydney]

I'd love to find out more about Pouteria Venosa, but there's so little information 
Another Abiu-Like fruit is Pouteria sp. PQ2. Looks really tasty, but I doubt Anderson Tropicals will ever get it back.

[djseaquist]

I would love to bring this topic back up as I have recenly heard of another fruit similar to Abiu: Pouteria Bullata.
According to Trade Winds Fruits, the tree grows 20-40 feet tall, Hardy to about 26F, and has fruits are described as "similar to the Abiu, (but they) tend to be more rounded".
I would love some more information on this species. It sounds interesting! 

Now that Sapote species that's at the top of my wishlist! Unfortunately, I have never seen it offered by the big name rare fruit sellers like Bellamy Trees, Anderson Tropicals, or even Trade Winds Fruit.

Anyways here a link on more information on Pouteria bullata growing in a subtropical climate.

http://www.bananasraras.org/frutasrarasingles/pouteria.htm

[Rob From Sydney]

I would love to bring this topic back up as I have recenly heard of another fruit similar to Abiu: Pouteria Bullata.
According to Trade Winds Fruits, the tree grows 20-40 feet tall, Hardy to about 26F, and has fruits are described as "similar to the Abiu, (but they) tend to be more rounded".
I would love some more information on this species. It sounds interesting! 

Now that Sapote species that's at the top of my wishlist! Unfortunately, I have never seen it offered by the big name rare fruit sellers like Bellamy Trees, Anderson Tropicals, or even Trade Winds Fruit.

Anyways here a link on more information on Pouteria bullata growing in a subtropical climate.

http://www.bananasraras.org/frutasrarasingles/pouteria.htm

I found an old forum on Pouteria Bullata earlier today whilst doing some quick research. https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=5608.0. I too would really like to grow it. Some people say in the thread that the had seedlings nearly a decade ago... I wonder if they've fruited any. I'll bring the thead back up and ask.

[SplorKeLZ]

Wow, bullata looks pretty cool! after doing a little research, I found a few other abiu like fruits: pouteria durlandii, bellamy trees has a larger selection available now, pouteria reticulata, P. Procera  P. microstrigosa- has little flesh, P. sp "hairy"(this one looks a bit like P. torta subsp. gallfructa), P. coelomactica seems pretty gelatinous but has little flesh, P elegans manilkara seems To have a a few more jelly like fruits too, including M. Surinamensis and M. Decrescens. chrysophyllum also has a lot of jelly like fruits but they seem to be more gelatinous and less structured compared to abiu. micropholis looks pretty promising too especially M. venulosa. most of these are on belllamy trees Right now

Hope this helps!!

[Rob From Sydney]

I'm just going too give some information on the Abiu relatives. Pouteria Durlandii and P. Reticulata are both dioecious with little flesh. I'm not
  sure if the Bellamy giant "Sul de Bahia" Durlandii is properly labeled and dioecious or not, but the seed to flesh ratio looks pretty good.
P. microstrigosa appears to have very little flesh.
I really am not sure about P. Venosa. It has a good width of 5-8cm.  I'm not sure about the seed to flesh ratio, but I'm let to believe there
  isn't too much flesh. I have also been lead to believe that it isn't anything too exciting about Pouteria Venosa.

Pouteria Procera (Macarandilba) and P. Elegans (Camamuri) look okay with an okay seed to flesh ratio. I could be convinced to buy some
  seeds, but I just think there are better, more exciting species you could get.
Pouteria sp. Hairy, Pouteria Tuberculata, and Pouteria Gallifructa all are closely related, however P. sp. Hairy is said to have the most flesh,
  although all these 3 don't have too much flesh. I've seen pictures of the trees, they all kind of look like yellow rambutans. Very cool!
Pouteria Bullata sounds tasty and looks tasty, and has a good seed to flesh ratio, however the is not much information on it. It appears quite
  similar to Pouteria Torta subsp. Torta, which has a great taste and a great seed to flesh ratio too. Just don't get that confused with Pouteria
  Torta subsp. Glabra, which looks incredible, and is talked about a reasonable bit. These 3 are on my list, for sure.

Edit: I personally think that some of these are just to small to bother about - P. Reticulata, Normal P. Durlandii, P. Microstringosa and P. Elegans. And I think in regards to the 3 'rambutan pouterias', I'd only get P. sp. Hairy - all 3 would be a poor use of space.

[mikesid]

Here is a few of the ones Im growing. Most of the seeds came from Bellamy or Sellami. So much new stuff hopefully there is a winner.

Pouteria torta v glabra




Abiu 'Gigante do Solimoes'



Pouteria butyrocarpa





Pouteria lucuma



Chrysophyllum albidum -> Gambeya albida



Pouteria sp 'Ucuqui'



https://www.bellamytrees.com/sold-out-species/p/pouteria-ucuqui

Pouteria sp 'Acre'



https://www.bellamytrees.com/sold-out-species/p/pouteria-sp-acre-germinated

[Rain]

they all look beautiful! But are they too close to the fence? I don't have one but If it can be grown that close to the fence, then I defiantly have room for it lol

[SplorKeLZ]

Wow! some of those are pretty big! any fruit yet?

[mikesid]

yeah, my stuff is entirely too close. dont use me as an example. I have collecting issues .

[SplorKeLZ]

yeah, my stuff is entirely too close. dont use me as an example. I have collecting issues .

my motto is "worry about it later" 

[mikesid]

yeah, my stuff is entirely too close. dont use me as an example. I have collecting issues .

my motto is "worry about it later" 

 I just tell myself Im helping preserve the species. It wasnt too long ago that getting seeds out of Brazil was nearly impossible so I know it could happen again.

 The abiu has been the only one to fruit so far.

[Rob From Sydney]

Gosh the Butter Sapote (P. Butryocarpa) tree is stunning! Really nice collection, mike! I wish I got into tropical fruits earlier!
What are some tips for a beginner to Pouteria collecting? So far I only have Abiu seedlings, some cinnaimon apples with shoots just coming out of the soil, and some canistel seeds and a Pouteria Stylosa seed that are both yet to shoot up.