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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Interesting Japanese persimmon cultivars
« on: November 08, 2022, 12:29:47 AM »
Janet, yes I have tasted Coffecake and Chocolate, they are good, but not as good as the Hyakume to me. People tastes differ so you might like some others. I heard about the Suruga and bought a few scions last year but I didn't graft soon enough so when I did graft it the scionwood didn't look so good. I will probably buy more when it's on sale again for next spring grafting.

Chocolate is like the Hyakume both are pollination variant non astringent (needs cross pollination or flesh will not have seeds and turn brown and sweet). If it doesn't get pollinated, I hear you can still wait until it gets soft and most of the astringency will be gone.

A friend has a large Coffee cake and Chocolate tree, and he gives me fruits when they ripen. Coffee cake was good, but my Hyakume was better to me. Coffee cake is supposed to have some cinnamon/spicy taste, but I didn't taste any of that in the fruits I ate. I'm grafting both of these so i have more pollinators for my Hyakume.

Janet, the brix from Frank had two different mentions, one in 2018 said brix of 22-24, but the later one in 2019 said 37.

Brad, your fruits looks like Jalisco to me, I hope so. Nice photos and video. Is your daughter eating the seeds of the guavas?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Interesting Japanese persimmon cultivars
« on: November 07, 2022, 07:43:42 PM »
That's good to know that your tree is grafted. At least it is probably a named variety. If the tree is very old, it may be one of those varieties that they don't sell at the nursery anymore. The fruit photo I showed above is an old variety that I labeled "unknown/with seed". That tree is still growing strong with lots are fruits yearly at my dad's house. It is about 40 yrs old and tree looks good, fruits are large, taste better than fuyu.

That's a nice looking Peluche tree with flowers.

Brad, ok, maybe he may have grated both with Jalisco Red which would be good. Frank said in his post the fruit has seeds, but it has the highest brix, ranges from 22-37.

Take photo of your fruit, outside of the fruit, then once you cut it in half. I hope yours is the Jalisco Red (Rojos).

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Interesting Japanese persimmon cultivars
« on: November 07, 2022, 03:46:33 PM »
Michael, if you still have some Chocolate persimmon branches on your tree that can be cut, I would like to get some. I can trade you for some (4) cuttings of my Matsumoto or Hyakume persimmon. This year I got 1/3 of my Hyakume fruits to pollinate and had seeds, the flesh was perfectly brown with black flecks. Taste was very good when eaten ripe (not soft).

After I up potted my orange (Gushiken) guava plant, now it started to take off. It is about 4 ft tall with more small branches. Maybe in another year I will also have a fruit to taste.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Interesting Japanese persimmon cultivars
« on: November 06, 2022, 07:49:03 PM »
Many times, as the persimmon tree gets older, the fruit will be at its best. It could be a Fuyu but maybe not.

Here's a photo I took of a Fuyu tree with fruits now.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Interesting Japanese persimmon cultivars
« on: November 06, 2022, 07:22:32 PM »
Sure, is the fruit seedless?

I have many varieties grafted so it might be good for me to cut it, taste it. I will send you a PM.

Also, if you want to send me some cuttings, I can graft it on my tree to maybe preserve it if it is different from the ones you can buy at the nurseries.

I went to Tokyo Central to look for the Taishu but they had a different variety called Tonewase, it cost the same $8/lb, and seemed to have the same advertisement but when I looked up the fruit at home, it says it is an astringent variety. I will know soon since I'm doing a taste test with my fruits that are ripe.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Interesting Japanese persimmon cultivars
« on: November 06, 2022, 03:15:28 PM »
Ok, thanks for the info, I will need to go there and see if I can find some fruits to try.

If you like to eat the persimmons when they are soft and not hard, then the Saijo is probably going to be the best tasting astringent ones to try. I grafted it on my giant fuyu tree which has the Hyakume, Matsumoto, Fuyu, Jiro, and Saijo grafts.

For the non-astringent fuyu type, the Jiro seems to be very good to me, large fruit, crunchy, sweet, seedless. But for the special sweet taste, the Hyakume is even better tasting.

Here's some photos of my persimmons from last season. I got the Saijo fruits from one of our forum member Janet.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Interesting Japanese persimmon cultivars
« on: November 06, 2022, 01:52:29 PM »
Those are new varieties, I have not seen them before in the USA. What store did you find it?

I usually like to eas the non-astringent varieties. Looks like you like to eat them after they turn soft. I usually eat my Fuyu and Matsumoto wase when they are still orange color and firm flesh.

Thos large Taishu persimmon looks good. Did you taste any before they got soft? If you did, is it crunchy and sweet?

For the non-astringent variety, i like the Hyakume the best. I have this one and since it is (PVN) it requires another variety to pollinate the flowers to have the fruits non-astringent.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Asian Persimmon - this season crops
« on: November 06, 2022, 12:35:29 PM »
My Matsumoto fruits for this season ripened and finished early. Start to ripen in Sept, then all finished in October.

Now the only persimmon I have that are ripening is the Hyakume. It says in some description that this fruit is the sweetest (non-astringent) of them all. Last year all my fruits were large but did not get cross pollinated (PVN). This year it did get pollinated by my other varieties I grafted on the tree and so the fruits have seeds and the brown sugar color inside. Very sweet, as sweet as the astringent varieties (i.e. Saijo, Hachiya) but the flesh does not need to be soft to taste sweet.

I will post some photos of my fruit on Wednesday so I can show the comparison of the Fuyu, Jiro, and my Unknown Variety. The Hyakume is a winner with pollinated, hard to find other non-astringent variety that is sweeter than this one. I ate a few Fuyu from this year's crop and it was very sweet.

If you have some sweet non-astringent variety then please mention it here.

Sale is over, thanks.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: sumo
« on: November 04, 2022, 06:39:35 AM »
Thanks Frank, since I'm in SoCal, everything seems to grow nice and easy. But I do have to many fruit trees so I'm in the process of slowly removing my large trees and putting some in large pots. I do have one green fruit on my Kinkoji now (3" diameter) in a pot, this tree has sumo, valentine xie shen and kinkoji grafted.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: sumo
« on: November 04, 2022, 02:22:07 AM »
Ted, this iis off topic so I will post some photos of my valentine and then removed these off topic photos tomorrow.

My valentine fruit tastes great, I like it a lot, some people do not because it has no acid/tartness. The cocktail grapefruit has a sweet and tart taste, but still much sweeter than most grapefruit.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: sumo
« on: November 02, 2022, 02:51:16 PM »
Oh, I see. I do grow Cocktail grapef, Valentine, Mellogold, and Oroblanco here but they are in the ground. I do have a Valentine pomelo in a 7 gallon pot that is holding one fruit.

Ok, thanks for the clarification. I'm glad to hear the seeds grow fast, I planted my Aravaipa seeds so next year I hope they grow well. I have seeds from a very large Hybrid Bacon tree (30 ft x 30 ft) that I grow, and it seems to grow pretty fast so I can compare the Aravaipa seedling in one year and see if it grows faster than the Hybrid Bacon seedlings.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: sumo
« on: November 02, 2022, 03:24:22 AM »
Thong Dee is the largest citrus fruit for me so far, fruit weighs 5 lbs.

I also purchased some scionwood of the Aravaipa from Marta. I have it grafted on my large tree and it grows about the same as my other varieties that are grafted on the same tree.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: sumo
« on: November 02, 2022, 01:54:05 AM »
Ted, it was on the first page of this post:

Parentage: Ponkan tangerine x Kiyomi tangor
Harvest season: Feb-May
Growing zones: 9-11
Pollinator needed: No
Seeds per fruit: Seedless
Mature height - Full Size: 12-15 ft.
Mature height - Dwarf: 8-10 ft.
Size when shipped: 26-30”

I have my sumo/shiranui grafted on the same tree as the Ponkan and Kiyomi.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: sumo
« on: November 01, 2022, 10:22:27 PM »
In SoCal the sumo fruits start to ripen from December and continues (other sumo fruits) until May. But usually, the May fruits are way over ripe, but it will hang on the tree if you leave it. Fruits in Jan-Mar are best tasting here.

The winning number is 87, since no one got it, I will give the Peluche to the two people who were closest to this number.

1. Number 86-OKvid
2. Number 88-Malhar

Congratulations:  You have 1 week to contact me (PM) and pay the $11 for shipping of the Peluche cutting[


Contest Closed - No Winners.

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