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I got seedlings that were beat up from shipping also, it died. Im thinking if it grew from seed in my climate it will acclimate as it grows.

No worries, I understand. These seedlings weren't beat up from transit. They were germinated seeds that did handle our weather through the wet winter here. They easily took temps to 34 but the hard hail beat them up. Even with this extra rain, they are perking back up.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Light exposure for Jabo
« on: March 23, 2023, 04:27:34 PM »
Even morning full sun? Let's say from 8-12? Then shade afternoon? I have a southwest spot that is shaded by a very large podocarpus tree in the afternoon.

Morning sun is good stuff, but again, San Diego has many micro climates. I would wager a jabo full sun inland would suffer. If you're by the water let em eat.

Thanks. Yeah, I get a little warm. 10 mi as the crow flys. I'll test them out.

If kohola is the most cold hardy, anyone got seeds of it? Since seed grown is more resillient. I would be interested in buying some. Ty.

I have a few seedlings growing from seeds I got from FloridaManDan (Thanks Dan!) last summer. I just up-potted them to a gallon but they got beat up from some hard hail. If you want to trade for one, let me know. It'd be best to wait a couple weeks to let them heal.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Light exposure for Jabo
« on: March 23, 2023, 03:34:03 PM »
Even morning full sun? Let's say from 8-12? Then shade afternoon? I have a southwest spot that is shaded by a very large podocarpus tree in the afternoon.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Nordman Seedless Nagami Kumquat
« on: March 21, 2023, 01:36:49 AM »
Why would some one chose a Nordman over a Meiwa, Fukushu, or Marumi

Some of us like the ultra tart with sweet skin. Becomes addicting. I still enjoy Meiwa, but completely different.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Anybody hav3 Leo3 atemoya?
« on: March 21, 2023, 01:09:39 AM »
I have tons of LM3 scions if anyone wants send a message.  Have too many of these trees actually and need to top work somemof them.

So Leo3 is the same as Lm3? I bought Lm3 from Brad last year and itís growing nicely.

Yeah, same. Brad hooked me up too but all the grafts suddenly died back after a couple years. Weird they were the only ones. Oh well, only the strongest survive.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Nordman Seedless Nagami Kumquat
« on: March 20, 2023, 04:53:41 PM »
The updated Citrus Variety Collection URL is I don't know why they don't fix their web server to accept as well as, it's about 10 seconds of work and would fix hundreds of links around the Internet.


They taste identical to me.  I see zero reason to grow plain seeded Nagami unless you are using it as a breeding parent. 

Makes sense. For me,  it's because I already have a 12 year old tree that's seeded  :). Somehow it's still alive even after long periods of neglect in the same pot for the last 8 years. 

Great to know about this variety though!

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Nordman Seedless Nagami Kumquat
« on: March 20, 2023, 10:59:31 AM »
Is there any difference to the taste? My kids and I do not mind the 1-2 seeds in the fruit. We already get too much fruit off a container grown 3' tree. Now, if there's an improvement over taste, might be interested to topwork...

Millet, the site link is broken.


Are these buds or vegetative growth from this seedling? This is one of your seedlings (not grafted)

Probably in the minority here, but I like names like "M-4" and "E-4".

Yep, I completely agree. But names sell.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Trees with Edible Leaves
« on: February 23, 2023, 05:52:08 PM »
There are a lot of articles on the health benefits of loquat leaf tea.  Just made a batch.  Itís hard to capture in the photo how beautiful the color is, it's a peachy coral.  Taste is light and fruity.  If you have a loquat tree or access to leaves itís worth making.

A link to a Japanese video on how to make and store loquat leaves for tea.  I used fresh leaves to make mine.  Just scrub off the light fuzz on the underside of old leaves and cut into pieces.

Thank you for this thread and post. I have been making loquat and mango leaf teas with a splash of honey! 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya Pruning Help, tiny trunk
« on: February 23, 2023, 01:26:40 PM »
It depends on the type of tree you want. It is fine the way it is unless you want a long main trunk. As is, it will grow more bushy and easy to harvest fruit. Just trim up the main branches (keep 2-3 of the strongest ones) by cutting right after a bud that is growing up and away from the others. Then you can graft a couple varieties :).

If you want one single long trunk, you can just cut right where it branches and train the new growth up.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Gold nugget self destruction
« on: February 18, 2023, 11:52:23 AM »
I have 4 golden nuggets from 12-5 years old and they all do that unless I can go in early Feb and harvest about half of them. Theyre still good early Feb but it doesnt always keep branches from breaking. Its also the only citrus I prune with any regularity, keeping branches short.

Yes, I am discovering this is the case with my Tahoe Gold. I thought it just had more of an outward growth habit but it will need selective pruning. It would be fine except for the intense summer sun burns the exposed branches. Lesson learned!

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Var Sabara micro scions
« on: February 15, 2023, 11:41:04 AM »
I'll try a few of you have them.


Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: ODDS & SODS - Plants For Sale!
« on: February 14, 2023, 10:49:36 AM »
Thanks, Kevin. The Jabo's are girthy!

I'm confused about the hole from the stem. Do you have a picture? If it's mature, just place it on a counter and wait a few days until it's soft to the touch.

Commercial guys pick them when they're hard so they package well and don't bruise. They will ripen within 2 weeks that way. But you're not a commercial guy so you shouldn't use that practice. The larger cherimoya in my picture above was hard when it was harvested but had a little give. 

This seedling cherimoya is NOT ripe! Notice how green it is. Small too.

Below, is a picture of the same seedling cherimoya picked while it was firm but easily separated from the tree. This is 2 MONTHS later. Look at the color on the left. The right is a bit from the sun.

This is what it looked like 4 days later and was completely ripe and delicious.

They will ripen to a certain extent. The smaller ones will probably be chewy (and not necessarily in a good way) and will not be completely sweet. Your larger one will probably ripen.

They are still too green. You are right on your assessment of what to look for. They get a bit more yellow, not quite as shiny, and the fruit will give with a slight pull and twist. In my opinion, those fruit, except maybe your larger one, are still immature and need at least a month.

Definitely thin your cherimoya next season. Larger fruit have better flesh to seed ratio and are regarded as better fruit.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Shooting at San Diego Fruit Nursery
« on: February 11, 2023, 01:18:43 AM »
Oh my! That is just terrible. Hope the family recovers.

Looks way too small. They may stop growing but should plump up in a month or longer. Of course, the size of fruit may be smaller depending on how many are in the tree. Usually, larger than a baseball. My Pierce Cherimoya are from 10 ounces to 2.5 lbs.

Sounds like fraud to me. Maybe if everyone files a consumer complaint, it could raise some eyebrows. Squeaky wheel kind of thing.

An expensive solution. Dragonfruits for me are some of my lowest effort plants and get the least expensive and least time intensive solutions - just gobs of slow release fertilizer and chicken manure.

If you're really set on liquid, you can use pretty much any of them, but I would choose the cheapest possible like General Hydroponics. I have tried tons of fertilizers for indoor plants of uh, various types, and there is very little difference in the end product.

The issue with liquid fertilizer is in fact you're just paying for water and the shipping thereof.

Yes, I agree. Can always use a fish/kelp emulsion for vegetative growth which is water soluble.

OP, what are you trying to accomplish? Something to run through a drip line?

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: ODDS & SODS - Plants For Sale!
« on: February 03, 2023, 01:16:06 PM »
Thanks for updated pics!

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: ODDS & SODS - Plants For Sale!
« on: January 31, 2023, 04:37:29 PM »

1. What's the difference between Nelita and Garnet seedlings?

2. Do you have a picture of the size difference of the large vs x-large Jabo's?


My experience from cherimoya/atemoya is it will die. The longest I've allowed them to go is about a month. USually it was from a critter/insect eating the leaf. But, I also don't place seedlings directly into a 5 gal pot. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 10b - best snacking fruits for kids
« on: January 23, 2023, 11:14:31 PM »
Each time my kids walk by my neglected kumquat tree, they grab a few. Perfect little snack for them. My daughter only eats the skin, and my son eats the whole thing. The tree receives little care, is beat up constantly by little ones, and still produces prolifically. They certainly will forage for anything, though.

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