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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: best material for tree protection
« on: April 15, 2023, 06:17:28 PM »
I don' t know what the best material is, but I can show, how I protect my frosthardier citrus.



For younger plants, or plants with new grafts, I take
a double layer protection with inner layer oc cocos mat and
a second layer with frost protection fleece.
For good wrapping and space around the plants, that not so much leafes touch the protection layer, I put some bricks around the plant and put sticks of bambus in the holes of the bricks. Around bricks and sticks I wrap the layers and fix them with clamps. In the inner I still lay some water bottles.



For the Prag chimera, which grows slow and is hardy but still small, I used only one layer of frost protection fleece.


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Cold Hardiness results, low of 9F. -13C:
Dead
Bloomsweet  High grafted and some poncirus growth allowed below.
Juanita
Brown Select
US 119

A lot of damage
Keraji, one larger tree dead.  Another will recover
Curafora
10 Degree 3-3

In better shape, minimal or no damage
10 Degree 2-2
CiClem 10
Ventura Lemondarin
Morton
Swingle
Bishop 852

Very interesting your experience this winter.
Have your trees been protected ?
Also interesting, because most results are according to my experience, only Keraji and Bloomsweet differ.
We also had a low of 9° F, -13° C, but my Keraji and Bloomsweet graft survived without damage. But perhaps you had more consecutive frost day and no frost cloth.
Thanks for sharing your experience. I always find this helpful for relative frost hardiness comparison.

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 Bishop Citrandarin, possible progeny of 852 Citrandarin. This tree is grafted onto Poncirus and has only been field planted since last Summer. The tree was exposed to prolonged to 2°F temperatures accompanied by high winds. The tree exhibits obvious damage, but appears to be recovering. The original tree was planted and fruited by Hardy Vermont.

That sounds very hardy, even for the not so big plant. Did you already taste the fruits ?

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Well My zone 7 experiment failed. Arctic Frost, Orange Frost, and Bumper all succumbed to this years winter. I thought they could male it unprotected but alas they are dead to the roots.

Oh  that s a pity, but I wouldn' t say failed, the first try failed  ;), there are still a lot of varieties worth for a try in zone 7, though not all have very good fruits. But I think Prag Citsuma, and Carolina lime from Stan Mc Kenzie nurseries should be very frosthardy  and have good fruits.
My Prag Citsuma survived very good 3 winters down to -16 ° C. The only protection was a frost cloth, espeacially for night frosts with day sun in spring.
Have good luck.


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Interesting difference in hardiness between Ichangensis x Sinensis ( I x S), due to rootstock and sun exposition


Small I x S  graft on PT, which saw  - 8 ° C under passive protection and from March on without protection nightfreezes with daysun. Absolut no damage  8).
The plants beside are star ruby seedlings, more frost hardy tjan I thought.


I x S, on unknown rootstock, with passive protection until March and heater when temps. fallen under -7 ° C.
In March nearly no damage, after no protection in March with night freezes and daysun got a lot of damage at small twigs with deadly bark cracks.
Difference to small I x S, no Poncirus rootstock and morning sun about 1 h earlier and longer sun in the afternoon.


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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Morton graft on taitri in zone 7a
« on: April 09, 2023, 12:25:05 AM »
Congratulation, shows again, how important winter dormancy is for cold hardiness

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Store Bought Grapefruit
« on: April 04, 2023, 12:21:21 AM »
I have Mandarin Keraji, Satsuma Collot and Flying dragon with grafted Bloomsweet and Duncan Grapefruit.
I have startet 3 winters ago in open ground in z7 with Keraji nd Collot. First winter I protected them with fleece and 80 w heating cable. The last 2 winters Keraji had only passive protection. Collot, due to companian Ichangensis x sinensis together I protected with a heater when temperatures went lower than -7 ° C. The others are now one winter in open ground with passive fleece protection.

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I can answer the first question, the graft won' t get decidious, if its a non deciduous graft.

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After my citrus  survived very good freezy February 2023,
March with nightfreezes and daysun stressed some
of my citrus more than I thought.


New Clemyuz22 graft on Poncirus and Citrumelo x Yuzu also now look very good


Ichangensis x sinensis looked very good, when I removed winter protection fleece end of February, now after a few weeks with nightfreezes and daysun it looks stressed, sun protection would have been necessary.


New grafts of Nippon Orangequat left and Keraji right on Sanford Curafora, looked also very healthy after removing of protection fleece. Now Nippon graft seems to be much damaged, Keraji only light damage.


Satsuma Collot, which is planted near Ichangensis  x Sinensis shows no damage of late night freezes.


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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Citrus damage after freeze
« on: March 08, 2023, 12:21:51 AM »
I’m so discouraged after the hard December freeze, I am close to quitting citrus altogether. I lost or suffered severe damage to everything except poncirus. My power was out for two hours during a 2 degree freeze with a high of 8 degrees and below freezing for about five days. That means my heaters were off in cold frames and we couldn’t get generator to start to get heaters back on. Then, I figured out I had used too long of an extension cord to supply power to my heaters in the valley orchard, so basically those citrus got no power or heat all winter until after the week of hard freeze, so they’re all dead except the side of the yuzu that was literally touching the side of the big water barrel.

Total losses:
Rio Red grapefruit ( heaters too small)
Seville
Bergamot ( too damaged to keep but alive)
Shiranui ( valley- no power)
Sugar Belle ( valley-no power)
Ichang lemon ( valley-no power)
Citradia air layer ( covered only, no barrel)
Citradia on poncirus air layer unprotected
Citrumelo 80-5 unprotected
Thomasville unprotected
Dunstan unprotected
Benton unprotected

Alive but severely damaged by house and got power back after two hours without it:
Owari
Kimbrough

Minimal leaf loss or tips of leaves damaged with power off two hours:
Seedless Changsha on flying dragon
Meiwa kumquat ( gets heat from French drain on south side of house)
Croxton grapefruit ( French drain south side of the house)
Saint Anne ( has two large barrels up against west side of tree)

My best survivors that didn’t have ground heat from French drain and only water barrels in a cold frame when heaters went out are Saint Anne and Changsha. My potted grafted-on-poncirus citrumelos and citradia trees were also undamaged.

Oh Ctradia,that s really hard, I' m sorry for you. But don ' t skip your citrus,  enjoy your survivors and perhaps invest in more hardier citrus as Prague and keep them on Poncirus.
And perhaps optimize still your passive protection with water barrels and fleece and perhaps places with not to early winter sun.
Enjoy the new sprouts of your survivors.
Regards Frank

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Citrus damage after freeze
« on: March 07, 2023, 06:14:46 PM »
thank you .
Thats also a point that freeze abd sun is extreme challenging and shade helps a lot to get minor damage.

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A few days ago I liberated all my passive protected citrus from frost protection fleece.
All have been in propper shape, no damage.
Yesterday at a short inspection I noticed light stem cracks at my Dunstan.
When regarding my Wlan thermometer and I saw how fast temperature rises from -4°C to 6 ° C now I can still more understand how necessary sun protection in weather conditions with night frost and full daytime sun is.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: F2 citrange winter hardiness trial
« on: February 15, 2023, 01:21:33 AM »
Here are a few photos of seedlings of Meyer Lemon pollinated by Segentrange 026 pollen.








this could get an interesting hybrid at least for zone 7, I have two year old meyer seedlings in ground (first year) and one of three managed -8 ° C without damage, while two others seem to have damages.

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Today made a check at my 5 graft Flying dragon. After a low of 8,6 F and passive protection also the new grafts of summer 2022, Clemyuz 2-2 ( ten degree tangerine),Bloomsweet and Poncirus #7 look very good with small green buds. Morton and 5* Citrumelo grafts of 2021 also look nice and healthy.
Also Ichanggqat, plant on the left side,
in ground since  spring 2022 looks good.



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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Citrangequat(but Meiwa)
« on: January 30, 2023, 11:55:57 AM »
I did not realize that.  Marumi can survive 10F colder than ether Meiwa or Nagami.  why not that cross.

I always read that Marumi and Meiwa have about the same frosthardiness of about -12°C. Did you test the both in your ground comparable and recognized the differenze in frosthardiness ? I only have meiwa and fukushu, but not in ground yet.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Honey Pomelo seedlings
« on: January 30, 2023, 06:58:42 AM »
Interesting, seems to have some Poncirus and probably coldhardy genes. Interesting how hardy and how the fruit quality is ?

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: shiranui sumo citrus
« on: January 30, 2023, 12:14:53 AM »
Very interesting and beneficial Citradia, to know of such Cold hardiness, still on search for Shiranui for taste but very good ad on the cold hardiness also for my climate  8)

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Moro vs. Tarocco vs. Amoa 8 vs. Fragola
« on: January 21, 2023, 07:47:35 AM »
I can tell that Tarocco is the best orange for me, very tender flesh and very good balance of acid and sweetness, nearly none acid and very good taste.
For me far better than Navels. Amoa, I don' t know.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Dekopon/Sumo/Shiranui
« on: January 20, 2023, 01:57:52 AM »
I am picking the majority of my crop now and they are really fantastic.  The ones from my tree are twice the size of the ones I see at the store, not sure why, but they are really great.  Easy peel, sweet, seedless, and the peeled fruit is larger than my fist!  Each segment is about equivalent to a clementine's flesh.

Thanks Brian, very encouraging, I' m still not a Dekopon cultivater, but after your report I will get one  8).

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Cold Hardy Citrus Experiment Zone7A NJ
« on: January 16, 2023, 12:21:46 AM »
Thanks Nick, very interesting. Means cooked dead or do you think they recover ? Do you have pictures of the changsha and Morton ?

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Citrumelo
« on: January 15, 2023, 06:44:07 AM »
Thank you.  Does anyone have any experience with Citrumelo plants that are not grafted or any "citrus hardy" plants that are not grafted

Mike Adams

I think there are some members which have experiences with coldhardy citrus, but to receive answers you should ask more detailed what you are interested in. I e.g. I have a Yuzu since 3 winters in ground, froze to earth in winter after a low of - 15° C and has now recovered again or a Dunstan citrumelo seedlings two year old in ground took -13° C this winter - all survived, some with slight damages, others with none, depending on genetics and microclimate of place.

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Can anyone help me identify this fruit on the tree. It may be a grapefruit or pomelo.

the shape looks a lot like my valentine

I will not be able to tell what fruit yet, when it is ripe I should be able to taste it.
This fruit is interesting in that it has the pitam (tip) that I don't see in most fruits.







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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Hamlin x Flying Dragon
« on: January 10, 2023, 05:31:22 PM »
Thanks Ilya, so glad that I have Morton in my garden - now it still has to bloom  ;)

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Hamlin x Flying Dragon
« on: January 10, 2023, 12:56:18 PM »
So, after a month in room the fruit is completely yellow.



No seeds, rather thick albedo, skin has lemony perfume and  lost most of poncirus like odor.



Fruit is easy to juice



Juice has "soar" smell, no poncirus aftertaste, 12° Brix, bitter acidic taste,  very faint barely perceptible internal oils.

Very interesting Ilya. Nice success.
How would you rank the taste within your frosthardy crosses and other frost hardy varieties of you including Morton ?

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Citrus damage after freeze
« on: January 05, 2023, 03:51:02 AM »
Hardyvermont, thank you. Good information. Also interesting that Sugarbelle ( tangelo minneola?) can take so deep cold, thought that she get killed earlier.
Mine are 2 and 3 winters now in ground and the biggest are Sanford Curafora and Keraji with about 1,5 m hight.

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