"Ripe-when-green" mangoes, your favorite(s)? Tree close to foot/road traffic

[JakeFruit]

I do enjoy reading the annual mango thief stories this time of year; not for the tragedy of the loss, but the continual education in the depths some people will stoop to. I've never had a tree close to the road, and (so far) even the squirrels have left my fruit alone. The bell has not tolled for me thus far, but that's fixing to change.

I'm planning a ~5 tree line between my neighbor's house and mine. I told him I'd take care of everything and share the fruit. Wouldn't you know, he was all for it 
Anyway, so the line will end pretty close to the street; the closest tree will be probably ~15' from the road. Lots of foot and car traffic continually, so I'm sure the trees will attract attention. I'm thinking it would be wise to pick a mango (or two) that stays green when ripe or can be picked green and ripen reliably off the tree.

Hoping some of you could share your favorite green mango(es). Ideally it would be low/medium vigor, but I'm planning to prune aggressively, if needed.

[pineislander]

Mallika or Carrie. Both can be picked fairly green but ful;l and neither has the pink/red colors many people associate with ripening.

[JakeFruit]

Thanks PI! I gave Carrie a quick thought as I typed the question (I had heard it was one that could be picked green). I have never tried Carrie, but I'm positive I haven't read more diverging opinions on a particular mango than Carrie. I bet I would like it, I like most everything, but I hesitate on Carrie largely because my neighbor might be one of those in the "Hate Carrie" camp. I need to get my hands on some Carrie fruit and see for myself; if I like it and he doesn't, more fruit for me   

Your other suggestion also has held a plot in my mind for a long time. Mallika was the first mango I was sure I wanted to grow, years before I was a member here. I read (multiple times) the tales on the PIN website of the fruit ripening in camel dung as it was transported to market and being held in the highest esteem in the Far East...I was sure I had to have it back then. They also raved about the new "Tebow" mango; in hindsight, that was probably my sign... I gave up on it pretty quickly after a few months being a member of this forum; it seemed for every one positive review there were multiple others complaining about ripening issues and the dreaded carrot taste. It's yet another I need to taste for myself (the West Coast of FL, sadly, does not have a plethora of people selling a wide variety of mangoes...yet).

Really appreciate your suggestions, I'll definitely be giving Carrie more thought.

[kh0110]

Ice Cream mango is excellent per my taste buds and they stay green when ripe. That could deter a number of two-legged bandits.
Mine is grafted on a multi-grafted Manila and doesn't seem vigorous to me.

[Orkine]

One more thing for Carrie and Mallika.  Both trees can easily be managed size wise.
For your Mallika, it may take a couple of seasons to hone in on how to pick but once you do you will be very happy.

[Galatians522]

Okrung would be a good option. It stays green even when fully ripe and has smaller fruits that don't typically attract a lot of attention. However, the flavor is excellent in my opinion.

[skhan]

Any if the Thai green eating types would be good.
I agree with Malika if you don't know when to pick it it doesn't taste that great, so that's a positive for fruit thieves.
Small mangos would be helpful to.

[JakeFruit]

Ice Cream has been on my mind for awhile. A relative down in Ft Lauderdale had a severely neglected small tree, I was able to pick a few under-ripe fruit before they moved out of that home. I'm sure they were a poor representation of the fruit's potential, but I still really enjoyed them; I could see why they are hard to classify, taste-wise. My hesitation has been all the cautionary production warnings, seems Truly Tropical and TAF have both cautioned against planting them as a homeowner and expecting a reliable crop, or any at all from some accounts. I'm planning to have an IC in a big pot somewhere on my property, but I don't think I want to risk it in-ground.

Galatians522, what do you say to TAF's review of Okrung being nothing but sweet? I had an Ivory that was described similarly, and it was so boring to eat. Similar experience with NDM #4; if it wasn't still slightly green, it was insipid to my palette. Does Okrung have much else going on besides being super-sweet?

I'm definitely considering Carrie again, the picking/eating window being only a few days is now the big sticking point in my head. I'm not so precise in my routines, and my kids can wipeout entire days' worth of my time. I need to put some time back into reading up on Mallika. I've been wanting to give Neelam another try (lost the grafted seedling I had), maybe I should choose between the two. I need an Indian-type mango somewhere in my yard. I do have Amrapali grafted on a branch that I've been considering for one of the trees, but it is pushing so slowly and the internode is only maybe 2".

[JakeFruit]

Any if the Thai green eating types would be good.
I agree with Malika if you don't know when to pick it it doesn't taste that great, so that's a positive for fruit thieves.
Small mangos would be helpful to.

My problem with the Thai-types is most seem to be one-note/boring once they are ripe. Tong Dam sounds like an exception in that respect and stays green, but it also sounds vigorous. I considered Mun Khun Si and Gao Lim Krong, but both turn yellow when ripe. I might take a flyer on the Tong Dam, even if I have to heavy-prune.

If Sweet Tart wasn't so vigorous, it would be perfect. I like ST when they are still fairly green and definitely produces in bunches.

Cecilove will be one of the 5 trees. Anybody know what it tastes like if you pick it while still green?

[Oolie]

If you're on the fence on Carrie, even some of the most staunch carrie haters suggest it's superior for preserving for use in mango products. That may help with the notion of a short window for eating, as it's easier to tool up once a season to preserve fruit.

[skhan]

Any if the Thai green eating types would be good.
I agree with Malika if you don't know when to pick it it doesn't taste that great, so that's a positive for fruit thieves.
Small mangos would be helpful to.

My problem with the Thai-types is most seem to be one-note/boring once they are ripe. Tong Dam sounds like an exception in that respect and stays green, but it also sounds vigorous. I considered Mun Khun Si and Gao Lim Krong, but both turn yellow when ripe. I might take a flyer on the Tong Dam, even if I have to heavy-prune.

If Sweet Tart wasn't so vigorous, it would be perfect. I like ST when they are still fairly green and definitely produces in bunches.

Cecilove will be one of the 5 trees. Anybody know what it tastes like if you pick it while still green?

I agree I'm not a big fan of the Thai types either.
I wouldn't do Neelam because of the late season.
For Indian I'd give kesar a shot, it's a commercial variety so it probably has a decent window of when it can be picked.
I also agree with not choosing Carrie for this purpose. Small window if when you can eat it and pick it.
Have you considered white pirie?

[Galatians522]

Ice Cream has been on my mind for awhile. A relative down in Ft Lauderdale had a severely neglected small tree, I was able to pick a few under-ripe fruit before they moved out of that home. I'm sure they were a poor representation of the fruit's potential, but I still really enjoyed them; I could see why they are hard to classify, taste-wise. My hesitation has been all the cautionary production warnings, seems Truly Tropical and TAF have both cautioned against planting them as a homeowner and expecting a reliable crop, or any at all from some accounts. I'm planning to have an IC in a big pot somewhere on my property, but I don't think I want to risk it in-ground.

Galatians522, what do you say to TAF's review of Okrung being nothing but sweet? I had an Ivory that was described similarly, and it was so boring to eat. Similar experience with NDM #4; if it wasn't still slightly green, it was insipid to my palette. Does Okrung have much else going on besides being super-sweet?

I'm definitely considering Carrie again, the picking/eating window being only a few days is now the big sticking point in my head. I'm not so precise in my routines, and my kids can wipeout entire days' worth of my time. I need to put some time back into reading up on Mallika. I've been wanting to give Neelam another try (lost the grafted seedling I had), maybe I should choose between the two. I need an Indian-type mango somewhere in my yard. I do have Amrapali grafted on a branch that I've been considering for one of the trees, but it is pushing so slowly and the internode is only maybe 2".

I really like Okrung. I would liken it to a NDM that has been concentrated into a more potent flavor--it definitely has more acid balance. However, I will add that my Okrung is a seedling. It does taste the same as the mango that the seed came from (purchased at Excalibur), though. What a lot of people don't understand about Thai mangos is that they have a broad range for harvest, but a narow range for peak flavor when being eaten. They taste best to me when they give slightly. If they get soft, the complexity is gone. While this statement may cause some disturbance, I currently prefer Okrung over Maha as the top Thai desert mango.