Borers suck, need a new avocado..."Florida Haas"?

[fruitlovers]

Rob, Echo also considers Choquette and Monroe high quality. Sorry these avos are not high quality compared to what we already have here, maybe they are high quality in Florida only.

[bsbullie]

Rob, Echo also considers Choquette and Monroe high quality. Sorry these avos are not high quality compared to what we already have here, maybe they are high quality in Florida only.

I agree with you on Choquette and Monroe though they are big sellers here...go figure.

I sent you a PM.

[Cookie Monster]

Ahh OK. Now I see why you don't like the wurtz. The haas is one of my favorite fruits. Growing up california probably has something to do with that. But I can eat them things like they were mangos. YEEE HAWW YUMMY!

Get a hawaiian avocado: Nishikawa; Fujikawa; Malama; Kahaluu. 
With all respect to Florida avocados, they are not as tasty as a hawaiian avocado.  As a matter of fact, I have one choquette that I really enjoy eating it towards the end of the season.  However, hawaiian avocados are the best, in my humble opinion. 

I believe that  nurseries in Fort Myers may carry hawaiian avocados.  Call the Treehouse nursery and also call Fruitscapes.  They should be able to locate one.

Hi Berto, you took the words right out of my mouth. I bought some Florida avocados to trial here and they pale in comparison to any of our cultivars. BTW, i think Wurtz is one of the worstz aovs i have planted here. Don't think very highly of ever present Hass either. You Florida folks are really missing out on the really good avocados!

[Cookie Monster]

Deal! Thanks.

One of these days I'm hoping to try a wurtz! I've had a tree for about 3 years. It sets little fruits then drops them. I've heard mixed opinions on it. Oscar calls it one of the 'wurst' avocados, but I've heard others highly praise it. So, I'm hoping to get to try one this year.

U yankin my chain cowboy. The lula has a distinct sweetness to it. To the native floridian who's used to west indies race avocadoes, it may be undectable. But to someone like me who's grown up eating mexican race avocadoes -- it's sweet.

Funnily, I did a quick google search of 'lula sweet' and the 2nd hit says "The fruit of the Lula avocado tree has a slightly sweet taste." Guess I"m not the only one :-)

I'm not knocking lula -- it's a good cado. But, the FL hass is nearly identical in flavor to the california hass (probably why they called it hass :-). At any rate, my opinion is strongly biased towards mexican x guatemalan race avocadoes having grown up surrounded by thousands of acres of hass/pinkerton avocado orchards.

Sorry Jeff, I am going to have to disagree totally with your description of the Florida Haas.  Wurtz is way closer to the Cali Haas when the Cali Haas is at it best.

Me thinks you still have California on the brain 

Whats your thoughts on the Wurtz ?  need to get you in a blind taste test with a Wurtz, a Haas and a Florida Haas...would love to see how you do 

When in season, maybe we can meet at Harry's for a sampling of fruit and I will bring some.

[bsbullie]

Deal! Thanks.

One of these days I'm hoping to try a wurtz! I've had a tree for about 3 years. It sets little fruits then drops them. I've heard mixed opinions on it. Oscar calls it one of the 'wurst' avocados, but I've heard others highly praise it. So, I'm hoping to get to try one this year.

U yankin my chain cowboy. The lula has a distinct sweetness to it. To the native floridian who's used to west indies race avocadoes, it may be undectable. But to someone like me who's grown up eating mexican race avocadoes -- it's sweet.

Funnily, I did a quick google search of 'lula sweet' and the 2nd hit says "The fruit of the Lula avocado tree has a slightly sweet taste." Guess I"m not the only one :-)

I'm not knocking lula -- it's a good cado. But, the FL hass is nearly identical in flavor to the california hass (probably why they called it hass :-). At any rate, my opinion is strongly biased towards mexican x guatemalan race avocadoes having grown up surrounded by thousands of acres of hass/pinkerton avocado orchards.

Sorry Jeff, I am going to have to disagree totally with your description of the Florida Haas.  Wurtz is way closer to the Cali Haas when the Cali Haas is at it best.

Me thinks you still have California on the brain 

Whats your thoughts on the Wurtz ?  need to get you in a blind taste test with a Wurtz, a Haas and a Florida Haas...would love to see how you do 

When in season, maybe we can meet at Harry's for a sampling of fruit and I will bring some.

I guess I will have to fill Harry in on the plans 

[Jsvand5]

Now you guys are going to make me buy a Hawaiian Avocado. Oscar, Which would you recommend as the best? I need one that is more of a low spreading type instead of an upright grower.

[fruitlovers]

Now you guys are going to make me buy a Hawaiian Avocado. Oscar, Which would you recommend as the best? I need one that is more of a low spreading type instead of an upright grower.

#1 rated: Kahaluu
#2 rated: Malama
But there are many other excellent ones.
Low spreading tree is achieved by early pruning.

[ShowmeyourKeitts]

Thanks guys for all of the replies.  Still undecided though.  Has anybody done the two trees in one hole thing with avocadoes?  I'm getting short on space....
Maybe a type A and a type B that bloom close enough together?  I assume that would be beneficial production-wise to both trees...
Still leaning toward a Mex-type avocado...Bacon and a Haas?

[Berto]

Jsvands5,
My kahaluu has a spreading growing habit. The Nishikawa grows more upright.  Nishikawa has adapted very well here is SW Florida. My tree is loaded with little fruits. Kahaluu has not fruited, yet, but is growing quite well.  According to a fellow collector, that has tasted kahaluu, it is one the best avocados in the world.  It has one of the highest oil content.  Go Hawaii! Aloha all the way!

[MangoMan2]

Berto,

Where did you find your Kahaluu Avocado at? I would like to find a Linda or a Kahaluu Avocado.

Thanks, Joe.

[fruitlovers]

Berto,

Where did you find your Kahaluu Avocado at? I would like to find a Linda or a Kahaluu Avocado.

Thanks, Joe.

Linda is also a very good avocado and very large in size. This one was rated #3 in Hawaii, but is not really a Hawaiian cultivar. I believe it is a California developed avocado.

[Berto]

Joe,
It was a gift from a friend. I got a small grafted tree.  See the post I wrote "upstairs".  You may find a kahaluu in Pine Island, Florida.  I will send you a message with names and phone numbers of possible sources of kahaluu.

[Jsvand5]

I got a hold of Tree house. They said they only have Nishikawa in stock now. Any opinions on that one?

[fruitlovers]

I got a hold of Tree house. They said they only have Nishikawa in stock now. Any opinions on that one?

Nishikawa is also a very nice avo. I guess somebody is trying to grow it in Florida:
Nishikawa Avocado Growing in So Florida

[BMc]

Thanks guys for all of the replies.  Still undecided though.  Has anybody done the two trees in one hole thing with avocadoes?  I'm getting short on space....
Maybe a type A and a type B that bloom close enough together?  I assume that would be beneficial production-wise to both trees...
Still leaning toward a Mex-type avocado...Bacon and a Haas?

Big growers here swear by duo planting them A + B in one hole. Try to match up growth habits as much as possible though. Bacon should be your best match pollination wise for Hass, or Sharwill if you have that type there?

[fruitlovers]

Sharwil is a nice Australian avocado that is the most popular commercial type here. Would also probably do very well in Florida.

[ShowmeyourKeitts]

I've got a 7 gallon Fl Haas located, anybody seen a Bacon avocado plant for sale in Central/SW Florida?

[ofdsurfer]

When do Florida Haas bear in Florida?

[HMHausman]

I've apparently missed the boat on Hawaiian avocados.  Would love to try some.  I recognize the obvious difference, especially in oil content, between many of the popular avocados here and those that are available from elsewhere.  There really isn't an avocado that I dislike....there are some that are better though than others, without question.  Haas is no doubt good, but it is so small that you need several in the smallest of preparations. And, a throng of them if you want to do some serious food production. Of the avocados that I grow, Monroe is my favorite and the favorite of my customers.  It doesn't have the oil content of Haas.  One of my customers summed it up in stating a preference for my Monroe over Haas.  He said, "Haas to him was like a good vegetable....but my Monroe, was like a fine fruit." I know that is a contradiction in terms, but some folks do prefer the less oily Florida avocados over the more oily ones.  This is another example of personal preference and usually stems from what you are used to eating....especially from childhood.

Harry

[Squam256]

To echo what Harry said, you might be surprised how many people prefer the lower-oil content avocados over the California/Mexican types. People from the Caribbean in particular show a strong preference for the West Indian types and West Indian/Guatemalan hybrids.

Speaking of avos....finally got some Oro Negro trees. Speculated to be a cross of Monroe and a Mexican type.

[murahilin]

http://www.myavocadotrees.com/

That's the website for the person in the video Oscar posted. He has a bunch of different Hawaiian avocados that he is experimenting with.

[fruitlovers]

I've apparently missed the boat on Hawaiian avocados.  Would love to try some.  I recognize the obvious difference, especially in oil content, between many of the popular avocados here and those that are available from elsewhere.  There really isn't an avocado that I dislike....there are some that are better though than others, without question.  Haas is no doubt good, but it is so small that you need several in the smallest of preparations. And, a throng of them if you want to do some serious food production. Of the avocados that I grow, Monroe is my favorite and the favorite of my customers.  It doesn't have the oil content of Haas.  One of my customers summed it up in stating a preference for my Monroe over Haas.  He said, "Haas to him was like a good vegetable....but my Monroe, was like a fine fruit." I know that is a contradiction in terms, but some folks do prefer the less oily Florida avocados over the more oily ones.  This is another example of personal preference and usually stems from what you are used to eating....especially from childhood.

Harry

I'm like you Harry and like almost all the avos. But that's also true with almost all the mangos as well. With avos like mangos there are still degrees of goodness, some being better than others. I don't particularly like the super oily types. It seems most breeding programs for commercial plantings are selecting ever higher oil content. And that is why doctors advise people watching their weight not to eat avos. They don't know about low oil content types that still have good taste and texture. But i'm getting off subject. What i meant to say is that Florida has an edge on us is in mangos, but i think we have an edge over Florida on the avocado quality. That is why we need to bring in more Florida mango cultivars to experiment with and you guys really need to try some of our Hawaiian avos.

[HMHausman]

That is why we need to bring in more Florida mango cultivars to experiment with and you guys really need to try some of our Hawaiian avos.

OK....sounds like a plan....let's do it!

Harry

[CTMIAMI]

Jsvands5,
My kahaluu has a spreading growing habit. The Nishikawa grows more upright.  Nishikawa has adapted very well here is SW Florida. My tree is loaded with little fruits. Kahaluu has not fruited, yet, but is growing quite well.  According to a fellow collector, that has tasted kahaluu, it is one the best avocados in the world.  It has one of the highest oil content.  Go Hawaii! Aloha all the way!

I'm not sure how to use this forun but I agree with you. I have several Hawaiian avocado. One of my first is the Nishikawa tree I got it in mid 2011, I planted it right away it grew nicely and in January I got 7 pieces of budwood to top work a tree.  I  depleted the tree, reduced the canopy of the little tree by 40%. in spite of that it flowered and it set 5-6 fruit. Since the day I got it you can see that tree likes it in South Florida. It is unknow how thisa hawaiian avocados will taste here. I may get to find out if my nishikawa hold at least one fruit to maturity.
Carlos www.myavocadotrees.com

[CTMIAMI]

I've got a 7 gallon Fl Haas located, anybody seen a Bacon avocado plant for sale in Central/SW Florida?

There are Bacon trees for sale in the Home Depot in the South Florida area right now. They may have them in your area. Nice trees too. Grown by Pine island Nursery. It dont know how far North you live buy I think Oro Negro Avocado could take your temperature. Someone from California told me it took it to 17 degrees. I had a freeze in my grove in Homestead this December down to 28 degrees for a few hours every variety got frezze burn except Oro Negro. Beautifull tree, great fruit.
Carlos
www.myavocadotrees.com