Insurance Mangoes ???

[Sevastopol]

Sevastopol, I have a NDM#4 that I believe got PM on blooms but the tree produced well without any spraying of potassium bicarbonate and castile soap. The fruit were amazing last season and I'm hoping they'll be just as good this season.

Good to know, thank you!

[FL Boy]

Is a disease-resistant mango an insurance mango, and is an insurance mango a disease-resistant mango?  I did a search on this forum on "insurance" and the term 'insurance mango' is relatively recent terminology.  Who coined the term... was it Fruitful Trees guy?  I know Alex has been more consistent with using 'disease-resistant' instead of 'insurance' when referring to specific cultivars.

[FL Boy]

Some of the known disease-resistant mango cultivars growing in our recently-planted orchard are:
- Pickering
- Angie
- Maha Chanok
- Lemon Meringue (Yes, Alex has said this is anthracnose-resistant)
- Sweet Tart
- Sunrise
- Glenn
- Valencia Pride
- Cac
- Ceci Love
- Rosigold (Some would disagree)
- Honeykiss
- Duncan
- Dwarf Hawaiian
- Kesar
- Lil Gem
- M4
- Philippine

I'm sure there are other disease-resistant cultivars that we may have, but that is the short list I could come with off the top of my head.  Some of these cultivars may not be insurance mangos.  Regardless, I will be spraying copper and Sulphur, rotated with other fungicides industry-standard with commercial fruit tree farming.

Prof Salazar shares thoughts on anthracnose-resistant cultivars here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtdQGCnFS1M&t=1040s

[MasOlas]

copper and sulphur mixed or alternating?

[FL Boy]

copper and sulphur mixed or alternating?

Alternating.

[fliptop]

I think productivity is another component of "insurance" mangos -- you're basically insuring you'll have a decent crop. Unless . . . Maybe we'll soon see a GEICO and Progressive Mango?!

[FL Boy]

I think productivity is another component of "insurance" mangos -- you're basically insuring you'll have a decent crop. Unless . . . Maybe we'll soon see a GEICO and Progressive Mango?!

Makes sense.  A disease-resistant mango that throws all male flowers would not be an insurance mango.  Whodathunkit?

Geico Mango Insurance:  "Fifteen trees could save you one hundred percent or more on insurance mangos."

Progressive Mango Insurance:  "Progressive can't protect you from buying your parents' mango trees, but we can protect your insurance mango trees if you bundle with us."

Farmers Insurance:  "Mango Farmers!...  Bump to da bump bump, bum bum bum!"   

[Coconut Cream]

Is a disease-resistant mango an insurance mango, and is an insurance mango a disease-resistant mango?  I did a search on this forum on "insurance" and the term 'insurance mango' is relatively recent terminology.  Who coined the term... was it Fruitful Trees guy?  I know Alex has been more consistent with using 'disease-resistant' instead of 'insurance' when referring to specific cultivars.

Alex Salazar developed a short list of mango varieties that everyone should consider as a backbone for home production. There is literally a slide in his lecture titled "Insurance Mangoes". It looks like a universal recommendation for people that want the most fruit for the least worry, and probably not spraying. I think the criteria is ease of flowering, and the variety's ability to mature from flower to fruit despite disease exposure and adverse conditions.

[FL Boy]

Is a disease-resistant mango an insurance mango, and is an insurance mango a disease-resistant mango?  I did a search on this forum on "insurance" and the term 'insurance mango' is relatively recent terminology.  Who coined the term... was it Fruitful Trees guy?  I know Alex has been more consistent with using 'disease-resistant' instead of 'insurance' when referring to specific cultivars.

Alex Salazar developed a short list of mango varieties that everyone should consider as a backbone for home production. There is literally a slide in his lecture titled "Insurance Mangoes". It looks like a universal recommendation for people that want the most fruit for the least worry, and probably not spraying. I think the criteria is ease of flowering, and the variety's ability to mature from flower to fruit despite disease exposure and adverse conditions.

Cool.  Do you have a link to this lecture? 

[tropical_rag_g-fruitforum]

copper and sulphur mixed or alternating?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_N6ynG757AA&t=349s

From Comments - "That warning comes from older, more reactive copper salts like sulfate or hydroxide. For example, products like Southern Ag Liquid Copper Fungicide, which uses a copper diammonia diacetate complex, have a higher risk of phytotoxicity when tank mixed with sulfur.

I’m using copper octanoate, which is a fatty-acid copper with much lower metallic copper content and lower reactivity. This exact formulation and rate is also the one recommended by Har Mahdeem, based on long-term use in mango trees."

The key point is that not all copper fungicides behave the same.

[MasOlas]

^^^ Thanks for the tips on the copper! ^^^

[Coconut Cream]

Cool.  Do you have a link to this lecture?

Just my notes from the lecture I attended. He might have talked about it at his Mango Fest lecture as well. You could probably email him and ask him for a copy of his power point. It also covers his fertilizer and spray regimen.

[EddieF]

If you scroll down, Squam (Alex) lists temperature requirements for varieties which should factor into insurance criteria.  Also good to know if anyone has hard to flower varieties listed flowering.
https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=49776.0

[Sevastopol]

If you scroll down, Squam (Alex) lists temperature requirements for varieties which should factor into insurance criteria.  Also good to know if anyone has hard to flower varieties listed flowering.
https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=49776.0

Thank you.

[scottopus]

Rosigold powdery mildew magnet

I will say that I'm dealing with foliar scab on my Angie and haven't had a problem with my Rosigold (yet). We do live about 2 miles from Tampa Bay and 8 miles from the Gulf.

I noticed this morning that there appears to be some powdery mildew on my Rosigold panicles 

Ndm powdery mildew magnet

For what it's worth, I've looked over my NDM#4 and didn't see any signs of powdery mildew. The NDM is about 16' away from the Rosigold. The Rosigold is a much smaller tree and is closer (8') to my vegetable grow bags where I had a lot of PM on my squashes.

[pineflatwoods]

If this year pans out well, I'd be comfortable adding All Summer/Marlys to the mix. Trees have been mostly trouble free, flower consistently and early-ish, and have a very good male-to-female flower ratio. It's every bit as good as Pickering. Tree might be a bit more aggressive and upright growing than Pickering , but it's manageable.

[Honest Abe]

Pickering is THEE insurance mango from my education and experience. It will bloom if you leave your refrigerator door open for 5 minutes 😂 and it’s TOUGH to hurt a Pickering.

[Artocarpus]

You can add Okrung Picon Tong to the list. Much bigger and better than original Okrung. To me the Asian mangos are much better with high humidity and fungal issues.

[Greater Good]

Only 2nd year of fruit production, Rosigold is looking like it could be an insurance mango for us. I was skeptical if the property was east enough to avoid anthracnose issues on this variety.

[scottopus]

Ndm powdery mildew magnet

For what it's worth, I've looked over my NDM#4 and didn't see any signs of powdery mildew. The NDM is about 16' away from the Rosigold. The Rosigold is a much smaller tree and is closer (8') to my vegetable grow bags where I had a lot of PM on my squashes.

I've been keeping an eye on this closer then I have in the past. It does appears we may have a little PM on my NDM.

[Gone tropo]

how about harumanis from Indonesia ? I tasted this mango in Bali recently it is Indonesia's national mango. I saw it growing in a lot of places in Bali.  For anyone who hasn't been to Bali this is an equatorial climate extremely hot and humid all year round and supposedly this mango produces well there???

Id imagine if a mango can fruit in Bali low lands it could fruit anywhere.

[pineflatwoods]

how about harumanis from Indonesia ? I tasted this mango in Bali recently it is Indonesia's national mango. I saw it growing in a lot of places in Bali.  For anyone who hasn't been to Bali this is an equatorial climate extremely hot and humid all year round and supposedly this mango produces well there???

Id imagine if a mango can fruit in Bali low lands it could fruit anywhere.

Grows like Molasses for me, I can't comment on taste or production , but it flowers early and readily. Probably grows faster in its wetter( and warmer) habitat.

[Gone tropo]

how about harumanis from Indonesia ? I tasted this mango in Bali recently it is Indonesia's national mango. I saw it growing in a lot of places in Bali.  For anyone who hasn't been to Bali this is an equatorial climate extremely hot and humid all year round and supposedly this mango produces well there???

Id imagine if a mango can fruit in Bali low lands it could fruit anywhere.

Grows like Molasses for me, I can't comment on taste or production , but it flowers early and readily. Probably grows faster in its wetter( and warmer) habitat.

I can comment on taste it was quite different to anything I have tasted in Australia not necessarily better or worse but very different. I tried several there but my favourite was one called Gedong it had a deep orange flesh and was very good to me.

Interesting that it grows slowly for you though

[roblack]

how about harumanis from Indonesia ? I tasted this mango in Bali recently it is Indonesia's national mango. I saw it growing in a lot of places in Bali.  For anyone who hasn't been to Bali this is an equatorial climate extremely hot and humid all year round and supposedly this mango produces well there???

Id imagine if a mango can fruit in Bali low lands it could fruit anywhere.

Grows like Molasses for me, I can't comment on taste or production , but it flowers early and readily. Probably grows faster in its wetter( and warmer) habitat.

I can comment on taste it was quite different to anything I have tasted in Australia not necessarily better or worse but very different. I tried several there but my favourite was one called Gedong it had a deep orange flesh and was very good to me.

Interesting that it grows slowly for you though

I got some Poh Gedongs from Dr. Campbell. So good, different and worth growing.

[Gone tropo]

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I got some Poh Gedongs from Dr. Campbell. So good, different and worth growing.
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I imagine this is the same tree as Gedong? I also saw it called Gedong Gincu.  I believe this was imported into Australia once upon a time but never seen a tree for sale anywhere would like to hunt this one down.  We have Harumanis here but ive never seen anyone growing it before.