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« Reply #25 on: March 10, 2022, 12:04:44 PM »
Interesting. Our UCR CCPP budwood program did not release any budwood until 2017. I guess Harris and other florida nurseries had the Shiranui variety much earlier than here in CA. I did see some Shiranui fruits and plants from Harris and it seemed to me that the variety did not look to be as vigorous growing as the ones from the UCR CCPP source.

But the taste of the Shiranui was very good, no real difference in taste from the ones sold in grocery stores.

My shiranui is from Menlo growers & uses standard rootstock.
I'm wondering if this rootstock is vigorous.

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« Reply #26 on: March 10, 2022, 12:09:23 PM »
My Shiranui  currently is very heavily loaded with blossoms.  Even if only 1 or 2 percent produce fruit, I should have a massive crop next season.

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« Reply #27 on: March 10, 2022, 12:11:51 PM »
I grafted my UCR budwood shiranui on pretty much every combination of in-ground rootstock/interstock tree I have (lime, lemon, orange, grapefruit, mandarin, valentine pomelo, seedling pomelo, sour orange). If the budwood is healthy it doesn't seem to matter much about the rootstock, it grows vigorously and within 2 years it will be pretty large. You might want to try taking some cuttings and graft a few on any of your in-ground trees since it will grow much faster. My giant size sumo fruits seems to be on the ones that was grafted on the murcott mandarin tree. It had large fruits (shown above) every year for 3 years now, and it tastes good.

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« Reply #28 on: March 10, 2022, 12:38:03 PM »
Those are huge Sumos!  Does the neck stay green?

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« Reply #29 on: March 10, 2022, 01:39:44 PM »
No, the fruits on this one particular tree seems to ripen later than all of my other sumo. The other trees I have with the sumo grafted have all ripened now and this tree is the only one with still green neck (not fully ripe).

Here's one of the fruits from this tree last year that I weighed, it was a nice size and tasted good.
I think this year the largest one may be heavier than this one.



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Re: sumo
« Reply #30 on: March 10, 2022, 01:55:37 PM »
sc4001992,

So from my reading, the ones without necks taste about the same as those with necks? 

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Re: sumo
« Reply #31 on: March 10, 2022, 05:29:10 PM »
Short neck Sumo's


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« Reply #32 on: March 12, 2022, 02:58:39 PM »
Tree is loaded with flower buds at the moment




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« Reply #33 on: April 01, 2022, 02:00:18 PM »
it looks like these are back in stock now if you are still looking for one:  https://madisoncitrusnursery.com/products/shiranui-mandarin-tree-3-gallon?_pos=1&_sid=1dca98538&_ss=r

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« Reply #34 on: April 01, 2022, 03:49:20 PM »
What about 'Sumo's genetics?  I see that they're generally truly seedless, but is that because the plants are sterile, or because they keep pollinators away?  Are they zygotic or nucellar?

Mandarins are often zygotic, pomelos almost always are, the crosses are unpredictable... probably it wouldn't be worth it for me to try to find a seed and grow it.

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« Reply #35 on: April 01, 2022, 09:00:59 PM »
Sumo's normally are seedless, but every now and then they do produce seeds.

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« Reply #36 on: April 02, 2022, 12:36:07 AM »
Millet, I wonder if the reason some of my grafted sumo branches that has more than a few seeds in the fruit is because those grafted branches are on the same tree as my Ponkan and Kiyomi mandarin. So they might be getting cross pollination from the parent blooms. My other sumo grafts which are not on this tree (50 varieties) have no seeds.

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« Reply #37 on: April 02, 2022, 01:09:39 PM »
Could be, as Ponkan (a great citrus variety) is one of Sumo's parents.

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« Reply #38 on: April 02, 2022, 05:10:10 PM »
But that means it's almost certainly nucellar...   :(

I don't quite understand why Ugli are zygotic, all types have multiple nucellar parents.

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« Reply #39 on: April 03, 2022, 06:29:57 AM »
I don't quite understand why Ugli are zygotic, all types have multiple nucellar parents.

I would guess that if a nucellar parent produced a zygotic seed among the mostly nucellar seed, and the zygotic was propagated,
it could more than likely produce zygotic seedlings.
My Sumo seedling from store bought fruit are a mix of true to type looking seedlings, and some variable seedlings. All looking like "tangelo".

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« Reply #40 on: November 01, 2022, 10:06:45 PM »
Have a handful of fruits maturing on my tree. Anybody know what month these guys typically ripen?




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« Reply #41 on: November 01, 2022, 10:12:48 PM »
I forget exactly when but most of mine are green-yellow now.  Unlike satsumas I think these are better if you wait until they start turning orange.  I recall last year they kept getting increasingly sweet as they colored up

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« Reply #42 on: November 01, 2022, 10:22:27 PM »
In SoCal the sumo fruits start to ripen from December and continues (other sumo fruits) until May. But usually, the May fruits are way over ripe, but it will hang on the tree if you leave it. Fruits in Jan-Mar are best tasting here.

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« Reply #43 on: November 02, 2022, 01:27:28 AM »
Wanted to find out the parents of Sumo, but even didn' t find it in the posts or it was not posted. Does everyone know the parents of Sumo ? I didn' t got/ saw it in Europe for sale.

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« Reply #44 on: November 02, 2022, 01:54:05 AM »
Ted, it was on the first page of this post:

Parentage: Ponkan tangerine x Kiyomi tangor
Harvest season: Feb-May
Growing zones: 9-11
Pollinator needed: No
Seeds per fruit: Seedless
Mature height - Full Size: 12-15 ft.
Mature height - Dwarf: 8-10 ft.
Size when shipped: 26-30”

I have my sumo/shiranui grafted on the same tree as the Ponkan and Kiyomi.

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« Reply #45 on: November 02, 2022, 02:45:19 AM »
Thank you SC4001992 and congratulation to your Sumos  :),
they are bigger than my largest pomelos ( chandler with 900g)  ;)

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« Reply #46 on: November 02, 2022, 03:18:22 AM »
Ted, it was on the first page of this post:

Parentage: Ponkan tangerine x Kiyomi tangor
Harvest season: Feb-May
Growing zones: 9-11
Pollinator needed: No
Seeds per fruit: Seedless
Mature height - Full Size: 12-15 ft.
Mature height - Dwarf: 8-10 ft.
Size when shipped: 26-30”

I have my sumo/shiranui grafted on the same tree as the Ponkan and Kiyomi.
Excellent info. Here in AL it's close to zone 8, not every year, but some years it gets below 17F
We will see how Shiranui fares.

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Re: sumo
« Reply #47 on: November 02, 2022, 03:24:22 AM »
Thong Dee is the largest citrus fruit for me so far, fruit weighs 5 lbs.



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« Reply #48 on: November 02, 2022, 12:03:08 PM »
Wow  ;D, thats very impressive. Thanks for the super pictures. Not sure if the Thong Dee is available in Europe, will have to check. Due to my climate I only can grow the citrus not so very winter hardy  In containers so I think growing of Thong Dee would be a challence growing in containers, concerning the container size and the nutrition  ;). If frosthardiness is similiar to cocktail pomelo I could try it in my space in Northern Italy in ground.

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« Reply #49 on: November 02, 2022, 02:51:16 PM »
Oh, I see. I do grow Cocktail grapef, Valentine, Mellogold, and Oroblanco here but they are in the ground. I do have a Valentine pomelo in a 7 gallon pot that is holding one fruit.