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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« on: February 27, 2015, 10:33:08 PM »

Why are you using Sabara as a rootstock, rather than the Red Jabo?  Is it a pH issue?

Nice Adam! Jabo forest in the making,  ;D.

haha thanks Nullz....

so far I've got the following trees planted out...

M. jaboticaba (Sabara) 2 trees, almost fruiting size
M. cauliflora (Paulista, grafted onto Sabara) going to plant more seedlings ASAP...I have 3 decent sized specimens ready to plant
M. aureana (grafted onto Sabara)
M. coronata (grafted onto Sabara)
M. sp (Grimal grafted onto Sabara)
M. trunciflora (2 large seedlings, and 2 smaller plants grafted onto Sabara)
M. cauliflora hybrid (red jaboticaba grafted onto Sabara...will probably be the first jaboticaba tree to bear on my property in ground....and I will plant hundreds of seedlings)

still have yet to plant a few other varieties and species...I've been keeping them in the greenhouse until I'm ready...Like Plinia edulis (have about 5 decent sized trees to plant)...

considering planting P. rivularis....

and M. phitrantha....

and a bunch more....

Such a beautiful cultivar.  Anyone have experience air-layering jabos who can tell me how long I'm likely to wait (or how long a beard I could grow) before I see rootlets forming?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jaboticabaholics Anonymous
« on: February 25, 2015, 03:35:59 PM »
This may be something posted elsewhere, and I just haven't found it, but do we have a list of myrciarias sorted by relative growth rate?  I'm thinking of a ranking from slowest to fastest grower, perhaps with estimated time to fruiting from seed next to those for which that info is known.  Seems like this would be a useful reference to have in one place.  Thanks!


Does anyone know what the classic pickled umeboshi plum is made from? What kind of plum? I also have heard it was made from a plum-apricot hybrid.

Cherries are the king of stone fruits for me with apricots #2. The peaches in supermarkets are just about always awful. But since mangoes taste somewhat like peaches I don't mind too much

Getting good cherries and plums in Florida is not too difficult. Cherries make it here very well. The plums are from California. Cherries mostly from Washington and then a smaller amount from California.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Backyard orchard culture
« on: February 12, 2015, 07:09:05 PM »
I'll go ahead and be the one to state the obvious (or what should have been obvious to me, but wasn't): in order for dense planting (multiple trees in a single hole) to be successful, you want trees of similar vigor (perhaps same rootstock), and similar age/caliper.  I made the mistake of planting two plums and a peach together that were none of them the same age, and the results were what you'd imagine! :P

Thanks for the advice, Ed.  I'll bring what I can.  Unfortunately, space in the cars is a serious limitation.  I'll keep your recommendations in mind, though!



If I was you I would bring all the jaboticabas , rain forest plum, cherry of Rio grande and che with me.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Big Plant Giveaway - You Can't Take it with You
« on: February 01, 2015, 07:32:06 PM »
UPDATE: Thanks to the great response from everybody, I have my work cut out for me today!  I'm trying to get through all the PMs sent, reserving plants on a first come-first served basis.  Please be patient if you haven't heard from me yet.  Also, please understand that the inventory was initially created for my personal use, so it includes a few things I'm planning to keep.  If you look at the inventory and see a plant is greyed-out, that's an indication that it's already spoken for.  Thanks again to all the fellow forumites willing to give some plants a good home!

Greetings fellow dendrophiles. It's official, were leaving Rancho Cucamonga in inland southern California for the hill country of Texas in June, and our climate zone loss is your exotic collecting gain. (Almost) everything must go! The movers can't ship plants, and while I'm planning to bring a few smaller seedlings in the back of the Fiat, most of my collection needs a new home.

Please take a look at my latest inventory if you're in southern California, and message me if you'd like to come by. Sorry, they are for pick up only. I'll do my best to keep the inventory up to date, but I plan on bringing some to Foothill CRFG meetings and to friends, so you may want to check with me ahead of a visit if you're interested in something specific.

I've got a couple of pvc greenhouses that have withstood 70+ mph winds on a half dozen occasions (once was even over 80 mph).  I'm in Kansas and custom built them to grow tropical fruit and fish.

14' x 55' x 7.5' semi-pit greenhouse (spent ~$1,500):

12' x 24' x 6.5' aquaponics greenhouse (spent ~$2,500):

The aquaponics greenhouse is smaller but cost more to build because of the gravel, Sweetwater blower, pond liner, and extra wood for the main fish tank.


Very informative writeup of your greenhouses.  Thank you!  Can you tell us whether you've had any flooding/drainage problems with your design?


Aren't you going to share your source?  (Hint, hint)

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: San Mateo new cherimoya variety
« on: November 15, 2014, 07:08:58 PM »
Wow!  How did you come by this variety?


You need to understand that the fruit crops planted at the south coast station are there because they were part of uc researchers projects, paid for by research grants. The field day for cherimoyas (and persimmons & avocados, I believe) only exist because volunteers have maintained the test plots and use the proceeds from the field days to keep them going. If new research projects needed the space, these trees would likely be bulldozed. Unless an agricultural researcher from the uc system sees a future in commercial mango production here in socal and designs a research project that receives funding, a mango test plot is highly unlikely, however cool it would be.

They hold it each year at the uc south coast research and extension center in irvine (same place as the dragonfruit and persimmon tastings).

Definitely worth attending, if it happens!

By far, the best cactus fruit was from a Mammillaria sp.-- tasted exactly like intense strawberry.... beter than field ripe field picked strawberries

Opuntia ficus-indica.. at least one I have.. i prefer to any Hylocereus. I fruit C. jamacuru grown from seed and its on a par with Hylocereus.

Recher, you don't happen to know which Mammillaria species you liked, do you?  Does anyone know which species of this genus are reputed to have the best fruit?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: tasting lychee for the first time
« on: November 13, 2014, 06:35:41 PM »
They are an amazing fruit, one of my favorites, though I can't help but wonder if part of their allure isn't the fact that their season is so short.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: tasting lychee for the first time
« on: November 13, 2014, 03:21:37 PM »
I'm definitely getting a lychee tree, time to stay up all night reading up on varieties :p. But it'll have to wait until next year because it may be too cold to ship it in now. Temps are dropping to 18-20 low :(

I was referring mainly to the texture. If it's like a grape I can see myself loving this fruit, and if the taste is as good as it's being described here, it's sure to become a favorite.

I'm not sure I agree totally with the grape comparison, though it's not an unreasonable one.  Eating a lychee is quite different from eating a grape.  For one thing, there's no skin to consume after you've peeled the lychee.  In my experience, the flesh itself is usually much firmer than that of a grape.  It does bear some resemblance to a gelatinous or chewy candy, though that comparison doesn't do it justice.  I have a hard time imagining anyone disliking fresh lychee based on its texture.

Thank you for the inside scoop, gentlemen!

Oscar and/or Luc,

Can either of you give us a sense of about what size this species needs to be before fruiting?  Thanks!

That's great to know. Thanks!

I have had best luck with 15 gal pots, I harvest mine when they are all yellow and smell like pineapple candy. It took 3-4 months for mine to ripen in zone 11

Thanks for the advice!

I'm trying to contain my jealousy!  I don't have much space for pineapples in-ground in my garden, though I do have my first fruit forming.


I know pineapples can be fruited in 5g pots, but does anyone know what the optimal size container is, in terms of producing full-sized fruit?  Also, any thoughts on whether my fruit is likely to ripen properly, as winter approaches?  Best advice on when to harvest?  Thanks!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: November 05, 2014, 11:33:25 AM »
There was some work published that said if the pollen is dried first it can keep in the refrigerator for a fairly long time, even longer if it is frozen.  I'll look up the reference at work tomorrow.


That would be some quite valuable datas....

The paper is Metz et al., Hortscience 35(2):199-201, 2000

Their results are that after drying the pollen under vacuum for 1 -2 hours. pollen stored in a freezer still gives 100% fruit set and normal sized fruit after 9 months of storage in a freezer.  Fruit set with dried pollen stored in a refrigerator was 60-70% with smaller fruits, but they still got fruit.

I am trying this myself, using dried stored pollen, and can let you know how it works  in a couple of months (just attempted the pollination on Tuesday)


I don't recall seeing you update with the results of your stored pollen experiment.  Can you fill us in on how well the dessicated pollen worked?


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: November 04, 2014, 04:09:08 PM »
Here is an update of my Frankie's Red fruit. They seem to be growing larger than what I expected. Frankie's Red appears like it will fill the void between the regular DF and the Yellow megalanthus. Anyone have pictures showing the final size or perhaps the inside of a Frankie's Red? Any additional information on Frankie's Red is greatly appreciated.



Any update on your Frankie's Red fruit?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: June 15, 2014, 11:11:05 PM »
My first bloom, from a couple of nights ago. It's American Beauty, which I understand to be self fertile, so I tried hand pollinating it. It hasn't aborted yet, so I'm hopeful.

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