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Citrus => Cold Hardy Citrus => Topic started by: Florian on May 25, 2018, 03:21:13 PM

Title: Hamlin x Flying Dragon
Post by: Florian on May 25, 2018, 03:21:13 PM
I have recently received budwood of this cross and grafted it on Poncirus. This is actually only my second succesful graft.
However, I can find very little information on it and would be grateful if anyone could share what they know.

(https://s31.postimg.cc/g3egidlaf/20180525_191937.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/g3egidlaf/)

(https://s31.postimg.cc/41j2o8rhj/20180525_192006.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/41j2o8rhj/)

cheers
Title: Re: Hamlin x Flying Dragon
Post by: Ilya11 on May 26, 2018, 03:39:43 AM
I have it, got the wood from Robert (Zitrusgaertner) in 2012. On own roots it is not enough resistant and grows rather slowly.
In 2013 I low grafted it on poncirus, it is in ground without protection since 2014, no winter  damage up to  now.
It comes probably from a free  pollinated immature seedling of initial hybrid , since only a small number of  leaves are trifoliate.

(https://d.radikal.ru/d26/1805/96/9746a1d15466.jpg) (https://radikal.ru)

Approximately 1.5m high, but has not flowered yet.
Title: Re: Hamlin x Flying Dragon
Post by: Florian on May 26, 2018, 08:01:09 AM
At least it is quite hardy, that's a good start:-).
Do you know where the original cross came from?
Title: Re: Hamlin x Flying Dragon
Post by: Ilya11 on May 26, 2018, 12:48:13 PM
I really do not know, most probably actual budwood is from Andi Voss plant.
http://www.zitrusgarten.net/homepage/bilder-c/Beschreibung-Z.htm (http://www.zitrusgarten.net/homepage/bilder-c/Beschreibung-Z.htm)
In a literature there is description of tetraploid hybrid obtained by somatic cell hybridization.
Title: Re: Hamlin x Flying Dragon
Post by: Florian on May 26, 2018, 02:18:51 PM
A few days ago, I emailed Andi Voss but haven't got a reply yet. I am curious whether his plant has flowered and how hardy it is up there compared to your place, Ilya.
Title: Re: Hamlin x Flying Dragon
Post by: hardyvermont on May 26, 2018, 09:35:51 PM
How thick are the leaves? 

University of Florida created a tetraploid plant by combining protoplasts of Hamlin and Flying Dragon. 

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF00272965
Title: Re: Hamlin x Flying Dragon
Post by: Ilya11 on May 27, 2018, 03:52:56 AM
It is probably another variety, since tetraploid somatic hybrid has only  trifoliate leaves

(https://c.radikal.ru/c39/1805/5f/637e3b2981e4.jpg) (https://radikal.ru)
Title: Re: Hamlin x Flying Dragon
Post by: Florian on May 27, 2018, 06:23:14 AM
How thick are the leaves? 

University of Florida created a tetraploid plant by combining protoplasts of Hamlin and Flying Dragon. 

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF00272965

I can't really tell how thick the leaves are since they have not yet hardened fully.
Title: Re: Hamlin x Flying Dragon
Post by: mikkel on May 28, 2018, 02:16:12 AM
Hamlin x FD from Andreas Voss is a seedling of this hybrid. He got seeds from Riverside.
Title: Re: Hamlin x Flying Dragon
Post by: Ilya11 on May 28, 2018, 03:27:43 AM
Was it flowering at his garden?
Title: Re: Hamlin x Flying Dragon
Post by: mikkel on May 28, 2018, 10:09:48 AM
Itīs been some years I visited his garden. I really can`t remember.
Title: Re: Hamlin x Flying Dragon
Post by: Florian on May 30, 2018, 11:20:38 AM
Hamlin x FD from Andreas Voss is a seedling of this hybrid. He got seeds from Riverside.

I've just received a response from Andreas. Last year, his plant flowered for the first time. Unfortunately, there are no flowers this year. Fruit quality will remain a mystery for at least another year.

However, he said it is extremely coldhardy and unscathed after -12C. (10.4-F). I guess that is quite promising even if the fruit should not turn out to be the best tasting. A small step into the right direction..?

Title: Re: Hamlin x Flying Dragon
Post by: Zitrusgaertner on June 02, 2018, 03:56:36 PM
I grew HaminXFD from seed but don't remember who gave it to me. Maybe Andi. I lost the plant years ago. Nice that it still lives with you, Ilya!
Title: Re: Hamlin x Flying Dragon
Post by: luckyjimi on November 17, 2021, 01:11:35 PM
Mikke, Roberto, Ilya it means that we have two different FDxHamlin seedlings in Europę. One is Ilya from seedling's Roberto and second from A Voss. Please correct me if I wrong.
What is origin the plants of A.Voss?
Title: Re: Hamlin x Flying Dragon
Post by: mikkel on November 17, 2021, 01:49:24 PM
A.Voss received seeds from UCRiverside. There are probably several types around.
Title: Re: Hamlin x Flying Dragon
Post by: luckyjimi on November 17, 2021, 02:27:29 PM
I have from you it means propably from A. Voss.
Title: Re: Hamlin x Flying Dragon
Post by: mikkel on November 18, 2021, 01:58:18 PM
yes I`ve got mine from Andreas Voss. How are yours? Any pictures?
Title: Re: Hamlin x Flying Dragon
Post by: mikkel on November 18, 2021, 02:06:56 PM
Andreas Voss once posted the seeds he received from the UCR on his website. If I remember correctly, there should be at least 12 different seedlings...
Title: Re: Hamlin x Flying Dragon
Post by: Florian on November 18, 2021, 05:36:17 PM
Has anybody ever had fruit from their plant? Haven't heard from Andreas since my above post from 2018.
Title: Re: Hamlin x Flying Dragon
Post by: luckyjimi on November 21, 2021, 12:56:26 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/ChG7zqc/20200703-143334.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ChG7zqc)
(https://i.ibb.co/gt39JH6/20190928-172241.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gt39JH6)
(https://i.ibb.co/YPVKqPR/20190831-123313.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YPVKqPR)
Title: Re: Hamlin x Flying Dragon
Post by: Ilya11 on November 22, 2021, 01:03:26 PM
My guess is that  the seedlings of Andreas and Robert are  similiar, both  most probably of nucellar origin.

(https://b.radikal.ru/b26/2111/25/999f3721dd53.jpg) (https://radikal.ru)
Title: Re: Hamlin x Flying Dragon
Post by: Zitrusgaertner on November 30, 2021, 05:06:12 AM
Ilya,
I am quite sure that my seeds came from Andi Voss. He shared what he had got from Riverside with some other people. One of them was me  ;)
Title: Re: Hamlin x Flying Dragon
Post by: tedburn on November 30, 2021, 07:03:48 AM
Interesting Discussion - but anyone with fruits, pictures ? Taste ?  ;)
Title: Re: Hamlin x Flying Dragon
Post by: Ilya11 on August 29, 2022, 11:19:43 AM
Finally this year there is one fruit hanging. I missed  its flowers in the spring.


(https://i.postimg.cc/hzyzLvHC/20220829-160456.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/hzyzLvHC)
Title: Re: Hamlin x Flying Dragon
Post by: tedburn on August 29, 2022, 05:01:42 PM
Nice Ilya, so we are curious to your taste test in a few months  :D
Title: Re: Hamlin x Flying Dragon
Post by: 1rainman on August 29, 2022, 11:12:19 PM
Hamlin is the most cold hardy of the good juice oranges but a tangelo is slightly more cold hardy. That would be a good choice to use in further breeding.
Title: Re: Hamlin x Flying Dragon
Post by: Florian on August 30, 2022, 09:52:52 AM
Oh, excellent! Mine still has not flowered yet and I don't know of anybody else who has had flowers.
Title: Re: Hamlin x Flying Dragon
Post by: luckyjimi on September 16, 2022, 03:58:34 PM
Thank you for photo 😯 Ilya.
Title: Re: Hamlin x Flying Dragon
Post by: mikkel on November 22, 2022, 09:49:25 AM
(https://i.postimg.cc/hzyzLvHC/20220829-160456.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/hzyzLvHC)

Hello Ilya, Is this fruit already ripe?
Title: Re: Hamlin x Flying Dragon
Post by: Ilya11 on November 22, 2022, 10:49:23 AM
Not really, but it is much larger now.

(https://i.vgy.me/NkNOd0.jpg)

(https://i.vgy.me/dnsomG.jpg)

We have not yet had any frost by now, will pick it in the beginning of December.
Title: Re: Hamlin x Flying Dragon
Post by: mikkel on November 22, 2022, 12:57:36 PM
nice!
Did you get the tree from Bernhard Voss?
There are sedlings from Andreas Voss around. I wonder if yours is the same or a different one.
Title: Re: Hamlin x Flying Dragon
Post by: Ilya11 on November 22, 2022, 05:28:22 PM
As mentioned above, I got the seedling's budwood  from  Robert .