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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Picking Cara Cara
« on: November 07, 2015, 02:36:26 PM »

Citrus General Discussion / Re: choice winterizing my citrus?
« on: November 01, 2015, 06:58:57 PM »
Good information, Millet!

Actually, if you have a solution and no expectation to make money off of it why not make the information freely available?
The third sentece in my post above is the best answer.  Back in the eighties the federal government put three men in federal prison for technology transfers to Asia.  Clinton and Bush can transfer military technology to China and India, but a regular citizen like me they can imprison for an unauthorized agricultural technology transfer even if I am the one who discovered it.  Again, in a perfect world......

I have PM'ed my private contact information to a nearby respected member of the forum and am waiting to hear from him.  I will show and tell and even let him personally make a small batch for his own testing.

It is not likely that you will stop the vectors for the bacteria to tree interface. Some disagree with me, but I think time will prove me correct.  I do not think stiopping the bugs is realistic.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Nutrient deficiency in potted citrus
« on: October 31, 2015, 12:24:23 AM »
The picture res is too low for me to blow up for a better look, but I have seen something like this before.  Excess boron, excess sodium, potassium deficiency, heat stress, or biuret toxicity from urea could make the leaves look like this, but being where we both are.....

We are not allowed to transport trees here because of the quarantine so  I will need a better picture.  You are welcome to vist my little home lab and small test mini grove where I would be happy to show and tell.  Being retired I can meet weekdays or weekends, and we are fairly close to one another.  I am confident we can either help your tree or kill it absolutely dead, how is that for a deal?  ;)

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Picked 1st Dekopon Fruit
« on: October 30, 2015, 11:23:34 PM »
No matter what you do, a young 4 year old container grapefruit tree will not produce all that quality of a fruit.  It is just too young.  However, with grapefruit, most authorities say to leave the fruit hang on the tree until March for the best tasting fruit. The commercial grapefruit industry picks their fruit as soon as possible to get the fruit on the market so they can receive payment.  If they would delay the harvest until March, many more people would like grapefruit than do now. - Millet

Not all grapefruit is handled that way.  Different types/varieties ripen at different times.  The reds are later in the season, or into mid to late spring of the following year while the whites are earlier in the season (weather plays a bigger role in quality with any citrus, you need to have the cold spells to sweeten them up and improve the quality ).  I have never seen any benefit of leaving some of the early season whites hang on the tree for months.  No matter how long you let a white stay on the tree, it will never have the characteristics of a good red.  Then there is the matter of personal preference,  some like whites better and some like reds better.
My Rio Red are pretty tasty in early April though they taste pretty good as early as late February.  I've taken the last fruit off the tree as late as early June and it was still good.

Yes, my wife interrupted me as I was trying to grab the link, then I grabbed the wrong one in a rush to take her to her appointment. 

As for your suggestion, I wish it were that easy, and in an idyllic world it would be that easy.  Greed, corporate  and government politics, and research grant money have poisoned the well.  Why make a product when you can receive free money for years to research something.  The more trees die the more research money will be given.  You and I may not like to think about that, but remember, we are not living in a fair world. By the way, I have found no grant money for private citizens and institutions have shown no desire to test anything not from their normal sources. Cui bono?

I will give you something since some seem to believe in science over belief in God-given individual gifts.  I take a certain surfactant, buffer it with an organic mixture which magnifies desirable aspects of the surfactant while allowing me to lower the ratio below the point that would kill the plant.  The mixture enables the plant to start flowing nutrients again while the bacteria is weakened.  Nowhere do I introduce a standard antibiotic or anything that would produce poison fruit.  Ignotum per ignotius.

Excuse the latin phrases, but why should I do all the work?  Let's all research it some more! Ex nihilo nihil fit.

For a parting note: here is a link to a short video and article to show how some let greed and politics stop the solution.

I've heard of growers using sprays to get the nutrients into trees so they produce normally. But that's not really a cure. It extends the life of the tree. Do the trees die some years later? That's what I heard.

Again, if there's a cure using conventional methods, I would think they would have found out about it sometime during the last century of HLB presence there
. They're probably doing the same thing we do here to delay the symptoms and extend the life of the tree.

On the other hand, plants are not that defenseless. They produce chemicals against invaders. Bitterness, toxic substances, etc. Symbiotic fungi also help out in nutrient uptake and defense. Maybe a very healthy tree can ward off a small scale HLB infection.
In my tests spraying the leaves does little good to the plant.  You have to get the nutrients flowing easily from the roots up again and help the plant kill the bacteria while this is happening.  My solution is a root zone drench.  While it it is easily made, it requires a precise mixture during manufacture and when mixing the concentrate with water.  Too strong a solution will quickly kill the tree.  The ratios of each manufacturing ingredient and the order mixed do make a difference, so even though some have tried to get a general idea of the things I use, without the procedure they can try all day and have a very slim chance of actually getting it right.  I will say that the process I use to make the ajuvant drench is easily scalable so ramping up to quantites needed to help the world would be limited by funding availabilty, component availability, and distribution.  I am not going to do this myself.  I am tired and retired.  I tested proof of concept and workability.  It is easy.  It is surprisingly cheap to make.  It is potent in small doses.  It is not glamorous like genetic splicing, root grafting, or other involved fare, but is that really the solution people want?  Some scientist a couple of years ago said we could splice pig DNA to help.  Really?  Look it up on Google. I'm out for now!

I have had what appears to be a cure for a couple of years now.  The trees can reinfect after a couple of years if you do not preventatively treat the trees annually thereafter, but you can re-cure the tree if it gets sick again. You can give it to healthy trees and they seem to resist sickness and leaf miners.  It is a root adjuvant drench with non-toxic agents which lets the plant take up nutrients more easily while helping it kill off the bacteria. I won't be more definitive because it works in my Texas soil, but I cannot say what would happen in other soils besides my heavy clay.

The adjuvant solution has cured fire blight in a couple of fruit trees and I suspect it would also work against the bacterial olive blight affecting Europe.  My next planned test however is fig mosaic virus.  The adjuvant has never been tested against an incurable virus, so I am quite curious.  I now have two infected fig trees to work with, one a mission fig, and the other a Celeste. If I'm still kicking, I will test once Spring comes around.

I have something that is relatively cheap and easy to make, but politicians are giving tens of millions of dollars to a select few universities to do research on genetic splicing, root grafting, and predatory wasps as possible solutions.  Sounds like an expensive solution just to let people not lose a portion of their food supply.

Frankly I am pretty disgusted at the agriculture industry right now.  It all is about big business and making big money, but while politicians and researchers fiddle, the trees die and burn.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: The Many Uses Of Lemons
« on: April 05, 2015, 12:16:12 AM »
Lemon slices do seem to help skin.  I wonder if orangequat juice would?

Citrus General Discussion / Re: $726.670.00 to train citrus dogs
« on: April 05, 2015, 12:14:27 AM »
Cancer research has collected research money for decades without a guaranteed cure.  Is greening to become the new research cash cow?  They will spend such a sum on something like this?  Incredible!

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Tiny Wasp Carries Heavy Burden
« on: April 05, 2015, 12:09:58 AM »
That's one experimental approach.  Another would be to take a liter of concentrate, mix it with 200 gallons of water, then spray the field with an organic-based treatment.  Which would be best?  Who's to say?  Fortune favors those who dare ("audentes fortuna iuvat").  May it be so and our trees remain safe from harm.

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: My first satsuma crop. Owari and Kimbrough.
« on: March 25, 2015, 12:20:25 AM »
Is the Changsha high quality?  Few seeds, great taste, good acid/sugar balance?

I have an Arctic Frost sat which is a very cold hardy satuma/changsha hybrid.  It's supposed to be excellent.  Hope to find out later this year.
I hope those work out for you.  I have a Miho sat which makes the most excellent sweet fruit.  It's like candy only better.  Long live the sats!

Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: lemonade tree
« on: March 24, 2015, 10:23:01 PM »
I have a couple of Ujukitsu sweet lemon trees.  I wonder how they compare?

Are you going to share your method with us?
I posted to let the fine folks here know that it is not impossible.  There will be a time when the best solutions become known.  In the meantime consider the below.

Each university is getting several million dollars to research.  Each one will have a theory that will limit their field of vision.  If any of them finds anything they will patent it if the grant allows them to do so.  Which of them do you think would like to give up their research money for an already existing product?  None I am betting.  Realistically, it takes about 10 million for me to lock up the production science for two key ingredients which I have bought previously, but may see them go private if the Chinese complete a purchase of the manufacturer for their own purposes.  There may be a work-around, but I have not researched that yet.  Other ingredients are more common, and I don't worry about their availability.  I have stocked enough ingredients for my own needs plus future reseach and initial sales if needed.  I have two formulas and several packaging concentrations including solid and liquid soluble forms.

 I started a patent, but realized that no one will duplicate my formula without me putting it out into the patent office for all foreign agents to read and copy, so I will not complete the patent for others to steal.  I will wait and see how the wind blows. When the industry becomes desperate enough to look beyond the universities, they will find me ready to work with the trees while reducing the needed percentage of npk. 

I've worried about the affect on the California citrus industry.  I can see some real problems if the drought continues.

I'm in one of the new quarantine areas, but my trees are good.  My own solution works FROM the roots.  Universities in California, Florida, and Kansas have been given multi-million dollar grants to study citrus greening for possible solutions.

These folks are looking at dna splicing, root grafting, and other exotic fixes.   My treatment appears to work just fine, and is relatively inexpensive to make so we shall see if there is any interest in researching cheap vs expensive treatments (everyone raves at the quality of the fruit).  As an aside, because of the way it works, my treatment also may help againt fire blight and fig mosaic, but I honestly have not had time to test there.

PS:  It also may well help the olive trees.

Seems there may be even more at stake:

Xylella is an exotic pathogen common in the Americas and the Middle East, which is thought to have been brought to Europe by infected insects carried with plant commodities, or travelling as stowaways.

“There seems to be a link between the changing patterns of global trade and the spread of this disease,” Stancanelli said.

Once established, the bacteria spreads via fluid-feeding insects and its varying strains have a notoriously large alternative host plant range, affecting oak, sycamore, citrus, cherry, almond, grapefruit, peach, oleander and forest trees.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: California Citrus Starting To Bloom
« on: March 24, 2015, 03:39:07 PM »
Good to know.  Mine have been blooming nicely and I never put anything on the trees so the bees are safe.  In fact I keep a nice variety of sage for them all year.  The purple majestic flowered through the winter and on warmer days the bees would show up.  If you can't rent bees, bribe them to show up!

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Nippon Orangequat
« on: July 28, 2014, 10:08:45 PM »
Cooking with them is a great idea.  Thanks for bringing that up!

Lovely, just lovely........

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Free Greenhouse Heat
« on: July 20, 2014, 03:23:05 PM »
So that's your trick!   :)

It's a continuation of thought similar to meandering, but a little more focused.  There's more than one way to skin a cat, but the thing to realize is that without thought, you are going to get your hands dirty.

All of these ideas are dancing around the thought that though different, HLB & FMV are currently considered incurable.  That must not be allowed to continue unchecked.

Acute liver damage?  Wonderful...  just bury it in the fine print like the medical folks do with new drugs.  I myself may have something that I think may do the job and is organic based, but I did it as a one off since the formula is so different from what I have done before and I didn't want any left over if things went wrong.  Things went spooky, but right so I will make another small batch and try it on an FMV infected fig tree.  If I get the same positive results I saw in sick citrus, then I may contact the state lab and let them try it in their south Texas facility.  If I was younger, I might be pursuing research money like the other guys, but I am retired and bored, so that is my powerful motivator rather than money.  If things work out, good for us, we will tell a tale.  Maybe it will be better than a fishing story.  If not, at least a few days were not boring.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Nippon Orangequat
« on: July 11, 2014, 02:19:03 AM »
I have never tasted an Orangequat.  I am partial to both sour tasting fruit, as well as sweet tasting fruit.  Let us know what you think of Orangequat's taste when your fruit matures.  I'll be interested. I'll bet Mr. Texas has tasted Orangequat before. - Millet

I have a dozen on the tree now, plus some new blossoming.  Around December to May  is the season here.  I love the tart orange flavor in drinks you would normally use a lemon.  You just don't need as much juice.    With orangequat you will either love it or hate it.  There is no in between on this fruit.

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