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My Suebelle fruited the first year after I planted it, so maybe 6-7 years old at no more than 7 feet tall.  Every year after it holds more and more fruit even though I prune it back to 8-10 feet.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Hunt for the best Surinam Cherry
« on: November 26, 2022, 11:23:59 PM »
The Zill dark looks pretty tasty, although I find the petrol taste unique and somewhat addicting.  I have a Lolita seedling that is about 3-4 years old and pumps out a ton of fruit.   I noticed the darker (riper?) they get, the less gasoline aftertaste is detectable. The fruit will hang until it turns purple and starts to shrivel a bit. At that point itís like a super sweet tart cherry with no aftertaste.  Here are some pictures of the Lolita fruit at different stages. Small but delicious!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tropical fruit in San Diego grocery stores
« on: November 24, 2022, 03:45:39 PM »
Calypso mangos made it all the way to a local grocery store from down under.  Bought one for the hell of it. Could have used a bit more hang time but a nice peachy flavor with a bit of soft resin near the skin.  A nice T-day treat.

Here a few pictures of my Suebelle tree, a medium sized tree ripe fruit (they get a little larger), and a human sampled fruit. Itís a scraggly tree, but puts out a crap ton of fruit every year.  I had it in a 5 to 10 gallon pot for 5 years and it never bore fruit until it went in the ground.  I recall that the feeder roots completely filled the pot when I removed it for ground planting.  I forgot to take pictures of the F&S park tree unfortunately. Too busy inhaling the fruit.

Brad, the fruit looks good. If it tastes good, then it's a winner.
It does look like Jalisco Red to me. It could be a pink or red color flesh depending on the photography.

Kinda like the Blue Java bananas that can often look like a fluorescent blue bananas by most retailer photos?

How does these compare to the common Suebelle type?  I have this one growing in a container.  It has flowered but didn't hold fruit last time, hoping it will this coming yea.  I have never eaten a white sapote fruit, looking forward to trying it

I have a Suebelle that just finished its fruiting cycle for the season. I love the fruit.  Smooth, creamy light yellow flesh tennis ball sized fruit.  Tastes like vanilla cream frosting when allowed to ripen on the tree.  There can be an ever so slight bitterness to the fruit if not fully ripened on the tree that can be off putting to some.  Other white sapote I have tasted can range from slight citrus taste, to mild-bland sweetness, to very bitter.  The unnamed Fruit spice park tree that produces near softball size fruit is still the best I have personally tasted.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Hilo Farmer's Market shopping trip
« on: October 29, 2022, 01:11:55 PM »
Yeah, they were all Keitt mangos in Hilo. The mango I picked up Kona was a Hawaiian variety but I didnít catch the name.  It was absolutely delicious.  Incredible smell before cutting it open with a poly seed. I would have picked up more, but there werenít enough ripe ones where I was confident they would be ready to eat before I left. 

They look like the Russellís Sweet that I germinated from seed received from Australia.  The leaves are very distinctive.  Personally, I think $100 is a bargain for genetics this rare in the US mainland. My big question is whether or not they can survive a winter in my greenhouse.  We shall see. It would be smart of me to sell off a couple since I have 4 seedlings growing well.  Not confident they will make it when it gets real cold at night.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Hilo Farmer's Market shopping trip
« on: October 26, 2022, 05:53:07 PM »
Thanks for info Potato Man!  I will keep my eye open in the future for these.  The flavor was very tasty for the meager pulp provided.  Now they just need to breed a seedless Cacao for maximum fruit enjoyment.  The seeds arenít necessary right???

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Hilo Farmer's Market shopping trip
« on: October 26, 2022, 12:41:17 AM »
Enjoyed several days driving around the Big Island picking up fruit at every farmers market and fruit stand I stumbled across.
Kona farmers market has some excellent mangos, rainbow papaya, and red bananas.

Next stop was Pure Kona green market in Captain Cook.  Scored some excellent Jabos for cheap, Strawberry papaya, and Cacao. Cacao has excellent flavor, but whereís the meat???

Hilo side has the remaining fruit I was questing.  Grabbed some Abui, a giant 2.5 lb Rollinia, and some nice apple bananas. Rollinia was interesting but not nearly as sweet as I expected from an Annona.  Still, a very cool looking fruit with a unique taste and texture. Kinda looks and feels like a dog squeak toy from the outside. I, too, though Hawaiian abiu was disappointing.  Flavor was like young coconut flesh. Just bland.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Hilo Farmer's Market shopping trip
« on: October 21, 2022, 11:23:39 PM »
Nice haul.  Iím heading to the Big Island this weekend and would love to score a Rollinia and Cacao while Iím there. This give me hope there is still plenty of good fruit in season.

A lot of vermiculite has trace amounts of asbestos. I stay away from the stuff. I was actually quite surprised to see a friend who is very into health food starting seeds for her organic garden in vermiculite. She was mortified when I told her about the potential for asbestos.

Galatians this is quite interesting- Most of the stuff I am seeing is referencing Vermiculite insulation, due to a contaminated mine in Libby, Montana pre-1990, and does not mention the garden products-

Also, fwiw, asbestos is a naturally occurring mineral- It is a hydrous magnesium silicate with the chemical composition of Mg3Si2O5(OH)4. The harm comes from the fact that it has a needle like shape that when inhaled is difficult if not impossible to clear, which causes repeated injury to the lungs and can lead to mesothelioma. I will be much more careful about handling vermiculite in the future.

Eh, unless your handling it on a commercial scale, I would be surprised if you inhaled enough vermiculite, peat, perlite, or dirt to cause any noticeable lung damage.  Micro plastics in bottled water or package food is probably a larger risk to the average consumer. To be safe, the best practice for working on a farm with any solid or liquid that is aerosolized is to wear a face mask. 

A valuable seed should be sterilized with low % peroxide and germinated in vermiculite.  By far the most success in this medium.  Most seeds, just throw some dirt and heat and they germinate just fine.  Paper towel is fine but you need the time to watch them in case of mold.  Iím a set it and forget it type grower so vermiculite is ideal when I have it, but good sandy soil in a garage or greenhouse does the trick most of the time.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Seedling Mango tree thread
« on: October 17, 2022, 08:39:43 AM »
Wow Brad, that is a massive fruit for a tree that young!  Iím curious to hear if it kept enough of the parent genetics to remain an Ďimproved Kentí.  Let us know how it tastes when ready.  Iíve been impressed how many of my monoembryonic seedlings have retained the favorable genetics of their parents. 
Regarding your Sweet Tart seedling, I still think this variety is one of the very best to grow in CA.  It consistently gets rave reviews, is versatile in harvest timing, and grows vigorously.  If seedlings give similar fruit, they should be in everyoneís yard. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Early cherimoya season in San Diego.
« on: October 13, 2022, 09:30:59 PM »
Wow, this is really early.  I typically donít look at my moyas until December.  I may have to go check on them now to see whatís happening. 

I was generously gifted a couple fruit from Brian L in Oceanside last September and potted the seeds in some fairly rich garden bed soil.  Kept the plants in my greenhouse overwinter and had to up-pot twice over the span of 12 months due to the roots filling up the container.  Both were planted on my property when the roots completely filled the bottom of a 5 gallon container.  My limited experience has been managing the rapid growth of these seedling trees. Both trees are now over 2 feet in height with clean new growth. I planted one in the ground in August since they seemed unaffected by direct sun or intense heat, and another just planted last week.  The wind beats them up a bit, but so far no issues with outdoor survival or continued new leaf growth.
The fruit is delicious.  As advertised, like a moist sweet potato or pumpkin pie.  If I can keep these alive long enough to fruit, it will be worth the wait.

Brad- thanks for info regarding the drip lines.  I definitely have water remaining in the lines after a run cycle.  I will need to rethink how I setup my system. Right now, all my small seedlings are fed by flag drip emitters directly punched into .5Ē tubing all spread out over my backhill.  I wanted a cheap temporary solution before investing in real irrigation, in case the seedling experiment turned out to be a bust.  If the seedlings survive a couple more winters, I will need a new system to feed sufficient water to over 200 trees with spray emitters.

Feijoa is a bulletproof plant that seems to thrive on neglect here. Every tree I have seen in CA grows like a weed, albeit a beautiful weed.
I just canít get excited about the taste.  Ive had fruit from different trees in CA and fruit in New Zealand and they all taste the same to me.  What are the qualities that make an excellent tasting fruit versus a subpar tasting fruit?

My experience with mango seeds, some take off and some just never grow with vigor. I give them a year or two to demonstrate any potential, then cull the low vigor seedlings.
Iím curious about your hypothesis why Florida rootstock trees perform alright in coastal conditions.  I, too, have seen this with three different trees planted in two coastal locations. I always attributed it to the heavy sandy soil and warmer winter conditions.  The coastal trees arenít nearly as precocious as the inland planted Florida rootstock trees. I think the cool inland night temperatures during winter and early spring stress the trees out to the point they wonít stop flowering throughout the growing season.  Once the trees and root system get to a solid size,  they are less affected by this issue. At least that seems to be my observational hypothesis. 

Nice looking grove Brad.  They look like they are just about the right size to start holding a lot of fruit if you let them.  Next year could be a bumper crop.

Just curious, do you have problems with algae build up in your sun exposed PVC lines?  It's a real issue for me with well water, resulting in clogged drip heads.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing pawpaw in Southern California
« on: October 05, 2022, 07:59:42 PM »
Wow, you are in a hot pocket.  The high this year was 103F according to my weather station and I donít recall a heat wave that lasted more than 3 days with temps nearing 100. Of course, itís becoming more usual to have the random heat wave that give 110-115F for a day or two at least once a year, so this year was relatively mild by comparison. 

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing pawpaw in Southern California
« on: October 05, 2022, 06:55:05 PM »
Sounds like a tale of two cities here.   Good to know that with maturity, they could take full sun.  I know parts of East Bay that can get as hot or hotter than where I live, depending on how far inland you reside.  Based on this information, I would start them off under shade cloth until they get some size.  I do have some concerns about the wind and dry weather in my area, along with the varmints.  Looks like I should just consider a low cost experiment and just start with some seeds or find a seller with some strong young seedlings. 
Thanks for sharing your experiences!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing pawpaw in Southern California
« on: October 04, 2022, 02:53:53 PM »
Following up on this thread, any luck growing or fruiting Paw Paws in SoCA?  I live in the inland area and have a low point on my property that gets good chill hours during the winter. Stone fruit requiring 400 chill hours fruit just fine there.  I was thinking about cutting down an old diseased apple tree and trying out a Paw Paw for the hell of it.  Love to hear from those who have been successful growing/fruiting here.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Seedling Mango tree thread
« on: October 02, 2022, 04:40:42 PM »
Dasheri Seedling

First time this one has fruited for me and the last new seedling variety of the season.  The tree is 5 years old and was acquired from Exotica as a 1 year old seedling. The tree has always had dieback issues and not nearly as vigorous as other varieties I have planted.  Overall, itís still growing at about 6 feet tall and spindly.  I let it hold two fruit that each weighed in at 20 ounces.  The flavor was not what I expect from a traditional Indian mango.  I thought it tasted like a fiberless Keitt with a very subtle Indian resin flavor and much denser flesh. Excellent balance of acid and sugar. A delicious mango in a class of its own compared to other Indian mango varieties I have sampled.  I will be taking budwood from this tree to graft onto more vigorous rootstock in case the parent tree eventually dies back completely.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Seedling Mango tree thread
« on: September 24, 2022, 09:49:35 PM »
Nice tease Simon!  Canít wait to hear the taste report on the PiŮa Colada seedling. That has been the one seed, seedling, budwood that has eluded me.  Hoping to get this variety in my orchard soon.

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