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Tropical Fruit Discussion / question about trees for shading my house
« on: October 08, 2023, 08:52:49 AM »
Hey there, the south side of my house is fairly close to my property line. I have junk trees that were used as posts for pepper vines but pepper doesn't work well in my area any more. These are currently shading the back of my house and patio and when I cut them down, as they don't provide fruit or good wood, my house is gonna get baked by the sun. The property line is about 8 meters to 4 meters away from the house. I was gonna plant a jackfruit tree every 4 meters at the boundary line and let them grow tall to block the sun as they tend to grow fairly tall and narrow where I live. I already have about 7 to 10 varieties of jackfruit, and about 20 trees so I don't really need more jackfruit and was wondering if anyone has any other suggestion for faster growing trees that are more vertical then horizontal? I am in the subtropics with very hot dry summers with rain season in fall and cool weather winter and spring.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Cinnamon tree questions
« on: December 19, 2022, 11:15:32 AM »
Hey there, Currently looking to get some real cinnamon trees, cinnamon verum or ceylon, and not the cassia type, for my garden for person use. I am living in Vietnam which is a huge producer for cinnamon cassia so will be hard to find a true cinnamon tree, I think. I have tried googling to see what the difference are between the two types of trees, but all my searches just talk about the actual bark, and finished product, and not the actual tree. Anyone have any advice on what to look for when trying to find true cinnamon trees and not the cassia variety? 

I would like to add Caimito. Obviously I'm biased as I'm not living in the tropics but I still think the fruit is underrated.

Where I live people grow them mostly for shade and the look. Many of my neighbors have massive trees for shade and orchids and the trees are super high, like 10 meters tall or more, and most people don't even pick the fruit. Side note the wood from the tree is highly prized for orchid mounts, it is one of the longest lasting wood for orchids mounts at around 10 years before it rots. where i live most wood rots in a year or 2.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best Tasting Loquats For 2022 Season
« on: November 19, 2022, 07:01:54 AM »
non related loquat question. Do loquats grow decent in sub tropical/tropical areas? Live in a sub tropical are with temps between 5c to 40c and wondering if they will do well in my climate.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Which is better, Rambutan or Longan?
« on: November 16, 2022, 07:18:58 AM »
Longan 100 percent. doesnt stick to the seed. If you can find the longan variety that is smaller, but almost translucent and syrupy and super sweet, that is the best variety I have had. There a several varieties and some are big and some are fat and most are more hazy/white than translucent, but there is one variety here, NHĂN LỒNG in vietnamese, it is by far the most flavourful variety I have had.

Thanks for the info Jeff,

I decided that it would be great to plant some smaller trees along the canal bank.
So far its just going to be bananas but if i can squeeze a Jabo or two or three...and maybe something grafted onto pond apple...and...
The problem is real. ;D

Sorry to revive an old post but did you plant the jabos on the canal bank and if so how they do? Got a huge fish pond that I am gonna put jabos on cause I hear the love being soaked.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jaboticaba
« on: January 19, 2022, 08:17:43 AM »
Yes you guys are right . Wong picture I posted a few on the Jabo site. This is sabara. The other picture is myrciaria vexator. Blue Grape

Whats the difference in flavor between the two different types?

Polypterus: do you use oil when cleaning Jackfruit? I always have a bowl of coconut oil on the table when I clean Jackfruit, and constantly dip my hands and wipe down the knife blade as I clean. I also just work on newspaper that I throw away when done.

johnb51: yes! Astringent persimmons, horrible! Worse than watery avocados, which are bad too.

Here's another fruit I want to but haven't tried:

Pawpaw--my girlfriend says they can have a funk to them

if you get latex on your hands from the jackfruit just rub your hands in a bag of rice. cleans the gunk off easy.

Latex from store bought jackfruit, I've had to throw away cutting boards because of it. I love the taste, it's just not worth the trouble.

do it the asian street vender way. plastic shopping bag for your cutting board. cut in half. use a second plastic shopping bag to wipe the latex off. done. use a knife you dont like. easy peesy.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Red longan
« on: November 30, 2021, 07:33:37 AM »
You can buy them for like 10 dollars a grafted tree in vietnam. tons of sellers. Never seen them in person but have seen the trees for sale. Lots of shippers back and forth from the states. Might try and ask an importer for some. they might be able to get it by customs

Here's a few for the fruit hall of shame 

1) Noni (smells like an outhouse)
2) Quince (tastes like soft wood)
3) Kiwano / African Horned melon (why are these even sold?)
4) Pond Apple (Annona glabra) Racoons love them 
Also in this group, are those Mangos grown in places like Peru and Mexico that are picked a month before they
are mature, then refrigerated, hot dipped according to USDA requirements and sold here in Florida and elsewhere

I disagree, while Quince isn't very good for fresh eating I have a pineapple quince that I make quince paste from and it is delicious.
in the US for 50cts to $1. The vast majority of these are HORRIBLE     

Noni, i think it's more of a medicinal. Don't see anybody claiming it's a pleasure fruit.  :o
Membrillo, a canned paste made from quince is extremely popular in S. America. Guess it's not one of those out of hand fruits.
Kiwano, makes nice salad dressing if you mash them a bit. Can become invasive here, and nasty thorny groundcover.
Pond apple, was used as rootstock here for other annonas, but most nurseries have abandoned that.

why did they stop using pond apple root stock?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / couple of questions about achahcha trees
« on: October 21, 2021, 09:34:24 AM »
I got a piece of land that gets water logged for a few weeks to a 2 month every year during the rain season. It might flood a few meters every 10 years for a day. I read recently that mangosteen grows decently and I think I read on this site that achacha does well in wetter areas? maybe a garcinia trait. Anyone have any knowledge or experience with this? also what do people interplant with these?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Achacha question
« on: October 21, 2021, 09:21:02 AM »
So how can they compete with all the sweeter fruiting American species of which many have larger fruit?

What fruit would you suggest?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: prune cherimoya
« on: September 18, 2021, 10:38:02 AM »
can you post some photos of your tree? how wide you let it get?

Cherimoya rootstock
African Pride above
Cherimoya above AP
5 cherimoya varieties on this tree

Red pavers are 12”
Tree is around 4 pavers width and length
Using twisted pair wires to pull up branches to have room to walk
Tip at 80”

You can grow a few big trees or many small trees.
In the same space many small trees produce more than a few big trees.
It’s worst for cherimoya.
Neighbors can’t pollinate their tall tree so only get a few fruits.
Such a waste of resources.

That is a nice looking tree. gives me some ideas. Thanks for posting

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: prune cherimoya
« on: September 14, 2021, 10:54:53 AM »
And to Answer, Potentially but prob not, Your question of why some people cut there tree way back, at least were I live, Is to get fruit for february. People really want fruit set for tet in my paret of the world both to show off and to sell for ceremonies and to adorn shrines.
If you go on facebook pages in vietnam for Na or Na thai or Na sau rieng every one is cutting there trees like you photo for the last few weeks trying to get them ready for tet.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: prune cherimoya
« on: September 14, 2021, 10:51:52 AM »
There are no requirements to prune cherimoya.
They produce many flowers without pruning.
Pruning throw away woods so less flowers.
Trees around my neighborhood get to 6 meter tall.

Coldest month here is February.
I prune in mid March to keep my trees short.
I don’t like to drag around a ladder to hand pollinate.
I mark a stick at 4’6” then cut all branches to the mark.
Next year I cut 1” taller to keep new woods for new shoots.

Good info here

can you post some photos of your tree? how wide you let it get?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Question about australian atemoyas....
« on: September 14, 2021, 10:44:06 AM »
Florida is still going through its gefner and african pride phase and might not be ready for an out of sequence atemoya. There could be a great disturbance in the fruit continuum. The same applies if seedless and erdon lee lychees were to land there.

I would love to get my hands on erdon lee lychees here. Tons of lychee here and through the north. Wonder if I could just take them over on the plane

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Question about australian atemoyas....
« on: September 14, 2021, 10:42:45 AM »
Troppo is about 2000 miles (not km) north of Melbourne where atempyas are also grown so its not easy to compare the their Australian performance to comparatively small areas. Florida is more like coastal south east Queensland and California may be more similar to parts of southern NSW. Regardless the Australian atemoyas would do fine in Florida and California.

Isn't Florida to warm for Cherimoyas? I was under the impressions they didnt handle either heat or heat and humidity well.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Questions about annonas
« on: August 02, 2021, 12:02:24 PM »
Hey there, So I am about to plant out a variety of different annonas on my property and I wanted to ask about a few things. Here in Vietnam they have several new varieties, not sure the english names but if you google search them you can see the photos, na bở, na Đài Loan, na thai, na Sầu Riêng, Rollinia and Soursop. My questions are about heat and able to handle wet feet. I live in Quang Binh and we swing from super hot and dry summer (say high 30's to a few days of low 40's c) followed by 2 months of heavy rain season (flooding once every ten years or so) to a few months of maybe down to 5 c at times. I plan to plant on mounds to handle the wet feet part but unsure if most of these types can handle that. I also have heard that Atemoyas cant handle the high heat but I have heard the same for soursop and have seen some around my area. Anyone have experience with heat and wet feet with any of the type of fruit I have named?

Thanks for any help

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pictures from the yard
« on: May 31, 2021, 10:26:01 AM »
When do you top the soursop?

Bactris setosa



dare I say, Pitangatuba? not certain,,,but almost certain, quite flood tolerant, and saline tolerant

Jaboticaba (depending on variety and planting situation)

camu camu


Not sure if your soil conditions are conducive for healthy growth on all species listed...good luck!

What do you mean by depending on planting situation? Looking to plant some jaboticaba on a area that floods for a few days every 5 years or so.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Soft jackfruit variety
« on: May 17, 2021, 09:07:22 AM »
ok I sure have tanked up on a few jacks,chempajacks and chempas this season of all types. Soft skin and low latex always certainly means chempadak is in the lineage and jacks have way tougher skin, The crosses suaaly have skin that appears nore like jackfruit but is nearly always soft and flesh is always soft, The growing tips of trees is always sandpapery in crosses. I am tempted to grab one now and show you. It would be unusual for a cross to have jackfruits cold tolerance rather than that of chempa. Cheena is no glamour fruit by the way and most other crosses I have had are better.

I ate a true original cheena which is at the top and the lemon chempajack below is way better and looks like a jackfruit from the outside.

Man that bottom photo looks super delicious.

I have found abiu to be an extremely hardy plant, i planted mine in full sun with no shade cloth at about 2ft high and it hasnt looked back, i also have seedlings growing and they are powering.  Certainly a 10x tougher plant than mangosteen or durian.

Damn didn't know that about mangosteen and durian. Just had a mangosteen die from too much sun after living through a flood 6 months ago. Durian and mangosteen like semi shade or just shade till they get established than full sun ?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Worried about flooding
« on: May 15, 2021, 09:45:14 AM »
Hey guys,

I have an acre to plant on - 1/2 is all mango trees and the other 1/2 is a mix of things like banana, jakfruit, barbados cherry, and june plum. Last year, heavy rain caused the latter 1/2 to flood. This resulted in losing a couple avocado trees, dragonfruit, jamaican cherry, pomegranate, and one of the jakfruit trees. I guess there is not much I can do for the trees that are still alive. But for the future - will I be fine by planting trees on a mound? I wanted to plant avocados, lychees, soursop, and many more types of trees that hate having their feet wet. If I'll be fine by planting on a mound, does anyone have a good resource for me to know how big of a mound to make?

I was going to write a thread for the same topic. My land gets super wet in the rain/flood season and live on the lower land so it tends to stay damp for a while. Any info on mounds would be great
Thank you!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2021 Lychee Season
« on: May 09, 2021, 08:39:58 AM »
do you guy top work the tree to keep them shorter? I have 2 lychee and two longan trees to plant but worried about size and location. Around where I live I see nice medium size younger trees, and than Massive trees. Anyone interplant other tree with them?

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