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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing pawpaw in Southern California
« on: October 12, 2022, 11:27:31 AM »
NateTheGreat. Looking at the picture of your young Pawpaw plants I feel that you should have continued with the shade net protection (with 60% to 80% shade) for at least the first 4 to 5 years in your area. Some good leaf compost, keeping the soil slightly acidic, good mulch and adequate watering should help. To help pollination you could put some cut open rotten fruits nearby the closely planted different variety of Pawpaw plants. With the above conditions one should start getting fruits in grafted plants in about 5 years and the seedlings in 8 to 12 years.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Seeds Del Mundo dishonest business?
« on: October 01, 2022, 04:27:27 PM »
   Always wondered how they can manage this kind of business selling Tropical fruit seeds collecting from around Surinam about 3 degrees N of the Equator and sending to an intermediary in Netherlands about 10 degrees South from the Arctic Circle and ship it back to the tropical or subtropical area customers. All by Airmail! Thought of finding out their contact phone numbers in Netherlands and Surinam to enquire and assess their knowledge of the tropical fruit trees or bushes surrounding Surinam and how they gathered the seeds, stored, how they packed, how they mailed. Most important also is the TIME taken for these above processes.
   I have over eight (8) decades of keen interest in the Tropical and Subtropical fruit trees, bushes and vines and almost six (6) decades in the Temperate fruit trees, bushes and vines.
   Please note that I have never bought anything from them and I am not blaming or praising them. But just  eager to know how they do this delicate time consuming multinational transfer of Agricultural items (Tropical seeds)through International Customs, Courier and Postal departments.  Triphal

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Small fruit bush for this corner?
« on: September 11, 2022, 04:54:47 PM »
This corner in my lawn is looking for a small fruit bush:

- Area: 4 by 5 feet.
- Max height: 3-4 feet.
- Sunlight: full day. In some years, when the lychee on the right side grows, this corner will be shaded by the last few hours of the day, but still plenty of direct sunlight.
- It has to be evergreen.

I'd be looking for something similar to the size of a kumquat, in fact, this would be ideal, but it's pretty hard to get here. By contrast, limequat is available at most nurseries, but I don't really like it.
Another choice might be a blueberry, but I think this spot has too much direct sunlight for it.
I had even thought about some potted strawberries, but I don't really like this idea.

What else comes to your mind?
Blackberry Jam Bush / Randia formosa is an ideal bush. The ones we have in zone 13a are full of beautiful scented white flowers turning into yellow shelled peanut sized berries with a thin outer shell like skin when opened you see the black/chocolate colored soft sweet pulp with tiny seeds. The bush is dense with tiny round/oblong green leaves on hundreds of tiny twigs. Birds love it and there will be plenty to share year around and easy to grow. I will be there by the end of November may be able to gift (free of any cost including mail as a compliment) to you seeds during Christmas time. Triphal

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Nastiest mango varieties?
« on: July 26, 2022, 09:17:43 AM »
Sorry to hear about the bad experience with a 'spoiled' aka 'rotten' mango. Even an 'appus' may get rotten in various circumstances. Unseasonal rain can cause fungal disease. Wounding or bruising while picking, picking immature fruit, storage in less than 21 degrees C, the way they are stored or stacked with heavy pressure on them and so on and on. You did the wise thing like I would have done by discarding it. Recommend to try another Cushman from a different store. If properly harvested, handled, stored and ripened you may somewhat change your opinion on the ' Cushmans'. Good luck.

Possibly Epsom salt in beginning of spring and end of June supposed to help. Don't forget leave compost, blood meal and bone meal. As you said restrict to much watering during fruiting. This holds good for Jujubes. Most of the ones whom I recommended had luck. But I myself didn't see much of a difference in taste! Last week a friend from Houston called me to thank how sweet his jujubes are this year after following my regimen. Melons supposed to turn sweeter with Epsom salt. But don't forget to provide calcium also as Magnesium retards calcium absorption in plants. Hope this may help. Veseli praznits. Triphal

Agree with you. The leaves color and the tree branching pattern is not characteristic of the Bael/Bilva tree but sometimes in young trees the leaves vary in size, color and pattern. A picture of a flower/s would have helped.
Interesting pointer by RS regarding the hardiness in subtropical. News to me. Thanks. Don't remember ever tasting the fruit and probably did not nor I have seen anyone trying to harvest the fruits for consuming. It is used for home remedies and some ancient Ayurvedic, Unani, Chinese medicines and other herbal medicines in Asia and Africa.
CarolinaZone : Just saw your posting about the white flowers. How many petals? Was there some aroma? The leaves may or may not have strong aroma when crushed. The fruit takes long time (7 months?) to ripen from this stage as seen in your picture. Thanks.

Bael / Bilva most likely. Spines in the branches, trifoliate leaves, long stalk of the pollinated flower bud with the early fruit is that of Bilva / Bael. But the leaves when crushed have a pleasant aroma but not the citrus aroma. And the pale pink gorgeous flowers are aromatic. If so this plant / tree needs a real tropical environment. Triphal

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best mango varieties for high rainfall
« on: September 25, 2021, 10:13:29 PM »
I am wondering if anyone has recommendations for disease resistant mangoes that fruit well in wetter tropics.  100+ inches rainfall annual east side big island hawaii.. I am growing relatives like odorata and kasturi. So far I have planted brooks late, maha chanok, rapoza, chock anon.  Most all fruits get destroyed by anthracnose on local trees.  Ive seen florigon do well but it is not so great of a mango.  Any suggestions would be most helpful thanks
Adam Crowe
Aina Exotics
Neelam fruits can survive heavy rain. If you like its taste you can choose it. In India Neelam is considered bottom tier mango.
One question how is taste of Rapoza? Is it excellent?
Agree 100%.
            It was 'Neelam', seven to eight decades ago. Only variety available ( out of scores of other varieties in our grafted mango farm / orchard ) and consumed in the month of August/September during the peak of monsoon season, North of the equator in zone 13. Personal experience.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help ID some seedlings
« on: September 10, 2021, 09:30:26 AM »
The bottom one is not a Rose Apple, the leaves are too wide and a different shade of green. They both look kind of like Jackfruits, particularly if the leaves are rough. I too find that young seedlings are hard to identify, though.
Looking at all the leaves, beg to differ that they show some resemblance in color or shape of any varieties of jackfruit seedlings.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: basalt
« on: August 12, 2021, 12:24:25 PM »
Basalt = 15% less silicon and more magnesium, iron, calcium and other microminerals comparing granites. That makes the difference.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Oh my seedless muscadine
« on: July 17, 2021, 09:01:52 PM »
Fishing expedition?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Rats gone carnivorous
« on: July 01, 2021, 04:46:21 PM »

Our rats and mice generally eat anything they can get their paws on, but occasionally our green tree frogs decide to take in a little extra protein. This one is chewing down one of our friendly geckos!
Interesting picture. Frogs don't (can't) chew. They swallow their prey. Most of them have upper jaw teeth which functions to grip the pray to facilitate swallowing.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Pawpaw fruit drops
« on: June 15, 2021, 10:44:36 AM »
Have more fruit drops. Nearly hundred. Seen bunches of fruits with only one or two dropped. Size of fruits 1 1/2 inches x 1/2 inch. Cicadas (Cicadae?) still plenty abound but lesser than 2 weeks ago. Not seen any cicada on the fruit while observing the trees. But they probably may have bumped into fruits many a times as we know their flying pattern/behavior.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Pawpaw fruit drops
« on: June 09, 2021, 02:20:32 PM »
Just learnt that Cicadas (Cicadae?) urinate profusely while resting on tree trunks, branches and twigs! Our trees are full of them. But the leaves look good, no stains or dried twigs yet. This is my third season with this Cicada X brood since over 4 decades of living in this location. Before leaving they will nicely prune the tips of the trees, fertilize with their carcasses and have already tilled around the trees while emerging out in early May. Next year should have a super bumper crop! I will be a Centurian (104) when Cicada X brood returns in 2038!

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Pawpaw fruit drops
« on: June 09, 2021, 08:56:43 AM »
Thank you.  I was thinking in the same angle. We have a remote flower garden patch in that area and I personally used to water 3 nearby pawpaw trees and the American Persimmon (Prok)at least two to three times in late spring and summer. Not this year But this Persimmon tree is loaded with fruits, more than ever this year!
 Last year I invited a member of this Forum who is living close by in Northern Virginia to visit us and take for him as much as this year's ripened Pawpaw fruits! I have to tell him about the present situation..

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Pawpaw fruit drops
« on: June 08, 2021, 05:34:49 PM »
vnomonee. Thank you. I have known about the early summer drops which starts end of May. These trees in spite of summer drops were fully loaded and I used to thin the fruits from the branches and used to support them often. As I have noted I have not seen any dropped fruit's remnants as I have not looked for it. Too hot, Cicadae chirping constantly like 'tinnitus' in ears and busy (supervising only) clearing the fallen 50'+ tall trees from storms. Please see my reply to Triloba Tracker above. Thank you again.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Pawpaw fruit drops
« on: June 08, 2021, 05:16:43 PM »
Thank you for your help. My present trees are probably15 + years old and have been averaging annually thousand (Yes 1000) or more fruits. For the last 5 years i have tried not to attract flies for pollinating the flowers and had good or more than before yield and often had to temporarily support many branches lest they fall due to over loaded fruits in them!
As I have stated before i do not know when those fruits were dropped and only noticed accidentally yesterday 6 AM. All these years we have been sharing most of those harvested fruits to our friends!
Just remembered. We had a heavy storm 'derecho' on 30th April felling 5 huge trees and partly uprooting another 5. I was busy getting them cleared off the property and another storm felling an old black cherry tree and a poplar. But I never even peeked on those pawpaw trees. So those storms may have been the culprit also?
Thanks again.  Triphal

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Pawpaw fruit drops
« on: June 08, 2021, 02:05:07 PM »
Disheartened to see the other day our pawpaw trees (5) have shed most of their fruits.  Early spring all the trees were loaded and few weeks later I saw trees were full of tiny fruits. I was hoping usual annual crop of thousand (1000) fruits.
Since then we are having a period of drought and those thousands of Cicadae flying on you and Chirping in ear-deafening 92 DCBs, prohibited my walk around those areas of our property. Yesterday early morning (cicadae were inactive) i saw that our pawpaw trees have only few fruits left. No signs of any dropped fruits under them. Of course there are thousands of Cicadae in our trees and garden. I have not seen them resting on any fruits (which are too small and scarce this year). The leaves look normal. Still we are in a drought situation and temperatures have been over 90s.
This early spring I put 3 tbs of Organic Bone Meal, Organic Blood Meal and Epsom salt powder for each trees when they were loaded with those mostly purple blooms. This is the first time I ever fertilized these stuffs on pawpaw trees! Never watered them after this application..
Any thoughts of what is happening? Are our 6b neighborhood zones with Cicadae emergence and drought have any 'fruit drop' problems with their pawpaw trees? Thanks.

We have an English walnut / Carpathian ( Jugulans regia ) tree about 200 feet or so away from the pawpaws..

We have planted 2 decades ago 5 Pawpaw trees 45 to 50 feet away from black walnut trees on either side.So also our annual vegetable garden! No problems for tomatoes either!. Please note that we protected the young pawpaw plants for three to four years from direct sunlight. 

Is summer heat problematic for plums in zone 10 in California Bay area? You could easily find in your neighborhood a member of the California Rare Fruit Growers Association and get your answers first hand from them. They also have scion exchange meetings few times annually. Good luck.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango thief on the loose!
« on: May 12, 2021, 06:57:14 PM »
This guy has a problem of his right hip joint! He may have fallen from his ladder some time back.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dwarf papaya experiment
« on: March 27, 2021, 08:19:28 PM »
This may help. East West Seed Company in Philippines have excellent Dwarf varieties of Papayas.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Artocarpus ID?
« on: February 22, 2021, 05:29:08 PM »
Looks like ? Artocarpus camensi or ? Artocarpus altilis. Triphal

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help in ID this fruit
« on: February 22, 2021, 10:15:50 AM »
I also have one flower look like is one

At least by what I was told supposedly not edible

And the seeds look like is picture and only get a few seeds maybe six or seven per pod
Hopefully somebody might know better though
Last update for now

Malabar chestnut leaves

Seedling malabar chestnut

The leaves are the one that supposed to be not edible are
I think you are confusing with the leaves of another plant Justice adhatoda aka Malabar nut. In the Western South Deccan it is called 'adasoge' and the leaves are used for medicinal purposes of chest ailments. It is grown wild on mud fences and empty land and the leaves are rarely eaten by the cattle as they are very bitter. I have seen hundreds of them with white flowers but never seen those so called 'Malabar nuts' on them!
 Malabar chestnut is a different plant indigenous to Northern part of tropical South America and rarely seen and known in the Indian continent. I was lucky enough to see one plant with those fruits and leaves seen as above and never seen the flowers. Never eaten it and was told it is poisonous to humans! East India Company sent many workers to Guyana plantations from India. Most of them from UP and Bihar Hindi speaking belt and few from Telugu and Tamil speaking workers from the then Madras Presidency.  None from Malabar or Mysore. The name Malabar chestnut probably was mistakenly coined by the Colonial Brits in the 19th century and probably brought to India by one of the Colonials. I do not remember reading about this plant documentation in Dutch Governor Von Rheede's (late 1600s) Hortus Malabaricus pictorial volumes.
Justicia adhatoda  the whole tree doesn't look similar to the one I have . Justicia adhatoda
Has a simple leaf and flower structure completely different

I got flowers and nuts off of my tree so I know it's a  specie of money tree / pachira
That is exactly what I was saying since this blog ID came up on February 20th. I was the first one to reply this the same day!  Thanks for supporting my view the next day February 21st and after19 hours of my posting. Since I have personally seen both of them and knew these plant's taxonomy and uses for more than 7 decades I was only differentiating the confusing names of the two :MALABAR CHESTNUT  VS MALABAR NUT. Any part of the Malabar Nut aka 'adasoge' is not edible nor consumed but only used in local Ayurvedic and Unani medicine. The confusing so called 'Malabar Chestnut' is a misnomer as the plant was brought by the Colonials probably after the 18th century.

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