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Vintage can be better if recent varieties are bred for transport and appearance rather than taste. Generally selective breeding makes fruit better. 1000 years ago crab apples and very sour seedy oranges might have been big hits in Europe and China. Brewster lychees may well have been chen zi beforehand.

I think a large proportion of tropical guavas are pink. Those malaysian reds look like the purples I grow a long time ago. I would give them a solid 1/10 for taste.
Orange fleshed is good btw.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Red Skinned Pineapple with high brix?
« on: March 01, 2024, 10:52:44 PM »
It is funny you you and I guess in different parts of the world there are great pineapples that haven't been shared. MD2 and Cayenne are scoffed at around here in spite of being standards in the sub tropics. Carnival, festival and jubilee are held in high regard as are the improved Queen varieties. Ripley Queen having a brix routinely over 20 is claimed to be the world's sweetest.

I agree on monocultures which usually refer to single species and their vulnerability but monocultures have a long history of success until a specialist disease or pest comes along.

The mites I didn't know were selective with varieties but they can be treated. Vulnerability to pest and diseases has been a big hassle with lychees and I don't know if those vintage varieties are any better than the newer big guns like fai zee sue,Chompogo,baitaying, shuang balia, erdon lee, san sue lin and lin san sue.

J33 are pretty tough but my one was taken down by a storm.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Red Custard Apple
« on: March 01, 2024, 09:09:26 PM »
I am not sure any Annonas are obligate for deciduousness but most drop leaves when drier and cooler than they prefer. They are only deciduous if the leaves grow back. I think Sarteneja is the most glamorous red reticulata but alas it is still a reticulata.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cacao questions
« on: March 01, 2024, 09:04:46 PM »
Don't believe what people tell you about the flesh of capuacu and macambo. Like cacao it is still an exercise in teeth raking over seeds for a vaneer of scant flesh. A little more perhaps but the cost/benefit isnt far into the black.

They are very similar if not the same but choosing between them is like saying a slap in the face is better than a kick in arse.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruit trees I gave up on
« on: March 01, 2024, 08:58:23 PM »
When it comes to disappointment with fruit trees nothing delivers like Eugenias in terms of fruit low quality and sourness compared to descriptions offered when you got them. For those hooked on pain grow mangabas, I did. Seedling sapodillas, durians, lansiums and a few other species including cambuca and giant mulchi can offer a different kind of disappointment as the years roll by and no fruit appear.
Growing cold climate stuff in a hot area can test patience also like CORG and all its perturbations. Yes feijoa and tamarillo, babaco and so many others are mongrels in a warm climate. Cassowary you can grow dwarf brown turkey and genoas and even get the occasional fruit with full sun and excellent drainage. Dwarf regular and shathoot mulberries can be grown also and even have a few fruit. BTW sunbirds mainly eat insects and the honeyeaters have long tongues to get nectar.

NS1, cheena and black gold are kinda old school types and not that good. J33 is way better than J31 btw. Cheena is a chepajack btw and not one of the best. What I look for in a good jack is fruit low latex and thick firm flesh with minimal rag. The taste should be sweet and rich and big seeded types have bigger sections. Each mentioned type is not top tier as they don't combine these elements.

Mine is about 4 ft high but I'm a bit warm for them.

The is a cat piss and blue cheese quality to marang but not in a durian way. Maybe it a more gas leak quality whereas durian has a gym sock quality. Chempas aren't too bad and closer to a funky guava with pate' perhaps.

What gets called lowland lucuma is another species

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Anyone growing rare artocarpus?
« on: March 01, 2024, 08:23:58 PM »
Besides the obvious jack, chempa and breadfruit that are good most people would not be backflipping over marang,pedalai, monkey jack, lakoocha and most of their relatives. A good kwai muk is one of the best and keledangs are pretty good. Bondon is an unknown claimed to be very good and maybe it needs wider circulation. A few of the lesser artocarpus in Indonesia also won't set the world on fire.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best Star apple varieties?
« on: March 01, 2024, 08:17:17 PM »
Juicy pearl is the australian variety and Oscar has a different variety of C, a, auratum which is not star apple. Oscar also has big purple which no doubt is way ahead of the standard Haitian. Alva is big and good alright as is DPI gold. Philipine gold has a good taste also.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Interest in Jackfruit on TFF
« on: February 10, 2024, 05:18:18 AM »
Winds from both would not have blown the skin off a custard at bayview heights

Maryoto can you have Artocarpus brevipeductulatus seeds available very often?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Got to try a Golden Soursop!
« on: February 10, 2024, 05:03:41 AM »
I havent sent seeds overseas in a while now and I posted pics on past threads of what they look like. The do grow true btw

It is a long time alright and a year sounds about right as the max. The trees are highly productive and have striking new growth.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What Are The Tastiest Jabos, 2024?
« on: February 10, 2024, 04:57:50 AM »
I would have trouble tallying all the species and varieties I have sampled but the common ones are often the best. Grimal, red hybrid, 24 and sabara are all contenders for the title of best tasting.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Must-have eugenias (based on flavor)
« on: February 10, 2024, 04:53:01 AM »
Are there any other proven crosses other than with lutescens? My Eugenia journey has been a long and winding road filled with disappointment. Very few seem to be able to accurately describe fruit flavours and quality and of the dozens of species I have grown or sampled few live up to their promise and reputation.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Interest in Jackfruit on TFF
« on: February 10, 2024, 04:46:37 AM »
The tatura trellis system has been practiced in the Feluga area near mission beach by fruit forest farm for about 20 years for high density and high productivity but also to reduce cyclone impacts. I saw at a friends farm near Gordonvale how many jackfruit were blown over in spite of being kept short. This wasn't due to cyclone jasper but cyclone kerilly which was nowhere near there.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Got to try a Golden Soursop!
« on: February 10, 2024, 04:28:55 AM »
Doesn't look like the real deal to me in the pics. Even the tree has golden green leaves and flowers are bright yellow.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Interest in Jackfruit on TFF
« on: January 25, 2024, 04:04:08 PM »
So far as compatibility goes chempas are compatible with jacks and the failure rate of grafts is not much higher than jack on jack. Nothing else is compatible including marang. I am curious about keledang or anisophilus being rootstock for brevipedunculatus. I think there are too many jackfruit varieties that are the same btw. The gold series are really similar and all the crunchy orange ones are fairly similar.  I suspect seedling identical to parents acquire new names quite often.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Interest in Jackfruit on TFF
« on: January 20, 2024, 04:02:51 AM »
Once you have talked about all the varieties and characteristics dozens of times and same with chempadaks and the other artocarpus mentioned, people talk about other stuff. Mango people are different and can talk about the same stuff again and again for years.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Choose your best annona and why
« on: January 12, 2024, 04:56:56 PM »
Hillary white or paxton prolific atemoya, green diamond sugar apple and red genova ilamas are heavy hitters and hard to take down in their respective classes.

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