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I am back teaching science in the classroom and have been focusing my time on growing instead of seed hunting. I have a bunch of healthy extra seedlings to offer. Use code "HFD" for 15% for fathers day. Sale ends on Monday.

Well I try to mimic the growing medium where they are found thriving.  High silica sand composition, well draining soil and neutral pH.  I donít know if itís ďcorrectĒ but In my experience peat moss will lower the ph too much and lock out certain essential nutrients.  They love water.  Iíve seen them growing in standing water in the Pantanal to flooded area of the Amazon. 

I am fully addicted to growing all things Duguetia. Itís has been quite the learning curve and I killed more than I can to share.  But it is possible.  There are 3 that are known to take a frost or slight freeze from where they are found in Brazil/uruguay. Lanceolata, salicifolia, and Furfuracea.  I cold tested a bunch this winter, Spixiana, Confusa, and phaeoclados did fine through a mild SoCal winter.  Stenantha lost all its leaves but didnít die but also still hasnít recovered.  I have around 30 or so difference types at difference stages. The tropical Duguetia are defineitly cold sensitive but we might have a chance.  I kept most of my tropical Duguetia Iniside this winter.  I might get brave and try a few next winter. They are so alow growing though that they can probably stay inside for a long time.  Just have to use the right soil medium.  If you are ever in the area by LaX let
Me know and I can show you y different setups.

Also. I just visited Helton Josue farm south of S„o Paulo and got some more ideas of Duguetia that will survive the cold.  His farm has a very similar to ours in the winter, so if Helton can grow it then we have a chance.  Especially the one he has put into the ground. 

I should have a bunch of seedlings to offer in the summer. I use to sell them much smaller but I havenít been hearing a lot of success so I am planning on growing them out to a larger size before offering them. Although people who visit me end up talking me out of them haha.

Also from my source. Durian macrantha is also known as Dok and has a creamy consistency and tastes like biscuits. 

Espalier is a good suggestion and Iíve picked up and couple tips that might actually help.  I am also able to source macrantha and kinabulensis. However kinabulensis has to go through an embryo test to ensure viability and itís very susceptible to high temperatures from what I am told.  PM if you are interested or if there is a variety you are looking for.  I have really high germination in this last trial batch and will sell some soon. 

Ben Mango. Me too. Not a picture but a grafted tree at about 6 foot tall. It wasnít the prettiest tree but it had an almost ripe durian on it.  My goal is not to grow durian commercially and certainly not going to try and grow and fruit it outdoors.  It is to grow durian in my greenhouse and see if I can fruit it.  Keep it pruned to feed my family, learn more a d then go from there.  Iím a biology and engineering teacher so I know itís possible.  Itís just a matter of cost and engineering.  I am just experimenting to see if I can do it on a public school teachers budget. 

I have tried and given up twice in the past but something keeps drawing me back in. Just when I think itís impossible I get an idea and re think the setup.  Itís also a pain in the ass to import these seeds as they are extremely susuptable  to mold and rotting. I have seen with my own eyes a five foot grafted tree with one durian fruit that tree ripened.  Goal 1 was to find species that can tolerate at least 60f. Iíve had plenty of success growing them through the summer even in our cool SoCal coastal weather.  Even a cheap pop up greenhouse was a game changer the first summer.

I am working on a project to look for any cold tolerant durian. There is anecdotal information about wild species that are cold tolerant.  I have a professor friend that says there is a variety of durian called Sijampang that grows on the mountain in Indonesian and has started cold testing and is showing promise. I have seedlings of 15 types right now and going to cold test some and greenhouse grow the rest. I had a few survive in my greenhouse over this passed winter where I set the minimum temp at 60.  They survived and my wife is ok the with heating bill so I stepped my game up and imported a bunch of seeds and they are geriminating as we speak.

I have saplings almost a year old from my Bahia exploration last year. A very good tasting spinescens growing in the Restinga near Salvador, Brazil.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Brazil, Helton, torrent page again
« on: February 28, 2024, 09:45:00 AM »
No. Helton does not send seeds from Brazil.  He also does not respond to requests for international shipping. Helton has a genetic muscular condition and it is very difficult for him to respond to amount of emails he gets.  I have visited his farm a couple times and is an amazing person, but even simple tasks take a long time.  I am taking my wife to visit him next month and spend some time on his farm. Hope this helps.

From my experience, nitida is highly recalcitrant.  Fresh seeds I cleaned with my normal disinfectant procedure and then stored on a heat mat set to 85.  I germinate in real sphagnum peat moss and inspect seeds weekly.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: any kadsura coccinea successfully planted ?
« on: February 18, 2024, 12:13:27 PM »
I cut a few of the seeds from Jabo45 and they were all viable with a white kernel.  Good luck with germination! They look better than the ones I bought on Etsy and those are starting to germinate.   I also am rooting a few cuttings to see if itís possible.  Hopefully we can start growing these and selecting best cultivars soon.  Thanks Ryan!

Iíve weirdly have more success with growing them in pots than in the ground.  They like morning sun and shade the rest of the day and seem to grow when itís cold and stunt in hot weather. 

From Helton Josue website.
I trust him

Helton has a Beautiful orchard and has written many books on fruit collecting and is one of the most respected fruit collectors in the world.  I'll be back there in a couple months visiting him for my annual meeting with him and my other Brazilian collector friends. but I can understand the frustration with scientific naming.

Hello fellow fruit addicts. I have been back in the classroom this year and not traveling as much but still have lots of cool things to offer.

Eugenia Dichroma PITANGA-DE-LAGARTO, Helton Josue Fanta soda Pitanga
Large 4x4x6 container.
INDIGENOUS NAME:  PITANGA-DE-LAGARTO, name given because some species of restinga lizard consume the fruit. It is also called Pitanga-fanta (because it resembles this drink but without gas), pitanga da restinga and pitanga da praia! 

Origin:  Endemic to the coastal restinga forest biome and its most significant occurrence is in the state of Espirito Santo and north of Rio de Janeiro; and may also appear in some areas of northeastern Brazil.
Uses:  Fruits from December to January. The plant can be cultivated in landscape projects as an ornamental and cannot be missing in the recovery of degraded areas, as its fruits feed bird fauna. The flowers appear in large numbers at the beginning of spring, are aromatic and have great melliferous potential. The fruits can be harvested manually when they are lying on the ground under the plant's canopy. It can be consumed fresh, just by sucking the pulp, the skin and the membrane that surrounds the seeds have a bitter taste. The best way to use the fruits of this species is to manually pulp them through a sieve and a little water as shown in the photo above. Around 3 kg of pulped ripe fruit in a container with 2 liters of water can yield 2 liters of concentrated juice. Use 100 ml to make 1 liter of juice which is very refreshing and nutritious with a taste reminiscent of fanta. The concentrated pulp can be used to make juices, gelatins and cakes.

Large Yearling: Annona mucosa "Biriba" sapling

Salacca zalacca var. amboinensis: "Sugar Sand"

Beautiful and ornamental specimen: Chrysophyllum rufum Sweet wild fruit Brazil

Rare Brazilian ornamental specimen: Plinia rara var. Verde

Garcinia assamica live seedling

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Choose your best annona and why
« on: January 10, 2024, 02:17:41 PM »
I am addicted to all things Annona, and my favorite is probably a ripe Cherimoya from the Miraflores organic market. It was huge and extremely sweet with a firm flesh. I am growing these out and will pick the best to propogate. I am finding these are growing extremely well in Socal weather and staying green even with our temperature dips.

After that ...
Duguetia Stenantha (my favorite such a cool fruit)
Annona salzmannii (Top tasting wild annona)
Pink or White Illama, The red has a little too much berry that over powers it for me
Duguetia Marcgraviana
Duguetia Echiniphora
The red Annona reticulata from Sandro in Brazil
Annona squamosa, or good Atemoya
Annona Spinescens
Annona Montana (Colombia)
Annona Crassiflora
Annona Coriacea, sp folha grande, sp Bruto
Duguetia Lanceolata (Limitied flesh)
Duguetia spixiana (limited flesh)
Annona hypoglauca (Sweet and waxy like flesh)
Annona ubatubenesis (limited flesh but very cold hardy)
Annona Sylvatica (limited flesh but very cold hardy)
Annona rugulosa (limited flesh but very cold hardy)

Edible but funky
Annona Cacans
Duguetia furfuracea


It's about to get more expensive and annoying to visit Brazil. You will need to get a VISA for US citizens to enter Brazil starting April. I am glad I have one last trip planned before the new visa policy is in place.

They average about a foot long and very thick. Much thicker and much sweeter than Feullli They get puffy almost 3 inches. They fruit look like the pictures from Oscar on Facebook, but I dont think its a true Spectalabis and may be a hybrid. I gave Ben a couple pods today. I also gave a bunch of pods out at the West LA Rare fruit growers winter party and everyone is growing them as they are much better that the Feulli and local Inga. the picture above as half a pod as the squirrels got the other half.

Either way, I found a real Inga Spectalabis when I was in the Peruvian Amazon and have some seedling growings. It had huge pods almost 3 feet long and was machete like, which is that the description of spectalabis says.

Either way, this is in ground, and prolific and I am keeping it. Having eaten a boat load of ingas in my travels, this is a keeper,

The tree is a little over 3 years old.

Awesome, just email me if its more convenient.

Yes, from Oscar Jaiit Fruitlovers. It went crazy this year. Very sweet and I'm keeping the tree with my limited space.

I don't have White Sapote, but I have Plenty of Inga Spectalabis fruit and red rover Passion fruit if you are near the LAX area in El Segundo. Free feel to DM me if you would like a tour. I am a middle school science teacher and off for the Holidays.

Raindance seeds has white sapote fruit for sell, but he is in San Diego.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Free Yangmei Giveaway
« on: November 07, 2023, 11:55:47 AM »
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This summer I spent some time searching for some of my favorite annonas... The famous Illama from Guatemala. The seeds were treated and had very fast germination with the white and Pink seeds... The red flesh annona are much slower to germinate. These are now in 4x4x6 sapling pots and well established. I have taste reviews of the actual fruit.

Blanca White Annona Macrophyllata Illama Pajapita, Guatemala

Rosada Pink Annona Macrophyllata Illama Pajapita, Guatemala

Passiflora quadrangularis, the giant granadilla,

Amorphophallus titanum "Corpse Flower"

Annona ubatubensis, also known as Aratimoia

Pouteria macrophylla "Cutite"Banana Laffy Taffy Fruit

Annona spinescens "Bahia" the sweet pumpkin annona.

Spondia mombin "Ciruelo" sweet fruit from Brazil


Pulasan: Nephelium mutabile var. Bali Black

Mouriri pusa "Puca Preto" Cerrado Jaboticaba

World's strangest Artocarpus Prainea Limpato seedling

Gustavia augusta / sacha-chopť  "heaven lotus"

Chrysophyllum rufum: Sweet grape sapote

Plinia clausa "Anihuayo" Amazon Jaboticaba ornamental with delicious fruit.

Hapa Joe Favorite's Duguetia stenantha "Mano de Tigre"

Meiogyne cylindrocarpa "Fingersop/Bush Apricot" or "PaiPai"

Annona Mucosa "Biriba" Iquitos Lemon Meringue Pie

Artocarpus Odoratissimus, Marang is a large sweet pear, pineapple Jackfruit.

Hapa Joes favorite palm fruit... Butia odorata from Brazil Southern Jelly Palm

Pouteria pachycalyx "Bapeba" rare, endangered and ornamental from Brazil

Hymenaea sp. "Jatai" Superfood from the Amazon

Stelechocarpus burahol, kepel fruit,  rare annona from Indonesia

Hi, Pindaiba is such a good fruit and one of the most intersting looking. Lanceolata fruits from Dec to Feb in Brazil so seed sellers should have them in spring.  I will have more seedlings in the spring from last years expeditions as well. Both my trial seedlings made
It through the SoCal winter just fine so I am growing a few out here.  Iíll have seeds again for sell in 5 years if things go right.  8)

This week I have some interesting new additions and final offerings.

Last one: Large well established A.  Salzmannii "Bahia Gigante" Beach SugarApple

Plinia rara from Hapa Joes Bahia Expedition, Ultra rare endemic Plinia w/video!

Just watch the video for all the info you need to know.

Elaeagnus latifolia, from the orchard of Helton Josue, cold hardy!

Pouteria torta var Pilosa (H. Josue Orchard) cold hardy Abiu!

Hapa Joe Favorite's Duguetia stenantha "Mano de Tigre" rare from the Amazon

Meiogyne cylindrocarpa "Fingersop/Bush Apricot" or "PaiPai"
Ornamental Eugenia caipora "Spicy Loquat" from our Maranhao expedition
Pouteria pachycalyx "Bapeba" rare, endangered and ornamental from Brazil
Hapa Joes favorite palm fruit... Butia odorata from Brazil Southern Jelly Palm
Annona neoinsignis "ARATICUM CORTI«A"
Annona Mucosa "Biriba" Iquitos Lemon Meringue Pie
Eugenia sellowiana "Sweet Grape of the Cerrado"
Annona hypoglauca: Amazon rare seedling
Talisia esculenta "Pitomba"
Pouteria sp "Pitomba de Leche " Condensed milk Pouteria
Plinia clausa "Anihuayo" Amazon Jaboticaba ornamental with delicious fruit.
Hymenaea sp. "Jatai" Superfood from the Amazon
Artocarpus Odoratissimus, Marang is a large sweet pear, pineapple Jackfruit.
Pouteria macrophylla "Cutite"Banana Laffy Taffy Fruit
Campomanesia lineatfiolia "Pallilo"

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