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Excellent, thanks for the update!

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UPDATE:

ALL SOLD

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Shipping Update: UPS shows that if I ship today, several of you would not receive your plants until Monday. In order to avoid live plants sitting an extra day in the dark in a UPS warehouse, I will be shipping all plants on Monday, Sept 23 in order to get them to you in the best possible condition. I will provide each of you with UPS tracking info on Monday.

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Update:

4 - SOLD

1 - Available

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I'm glad Jaboticaba45's plant went to a good home!

Upate:

3 - SOLD

2 - Available

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There is little information on this species outside of Vietnam. I had to translate quite a lot to learn what I could. The several plants I've sold to this point were to Vietnamese Americans who know what it is but were unable to find it.

The leaves have the same tart flavor profile of loquat pulp but without the sugar. Others who've tasted it unanimously agree. I've not tested cold hardiness below about 34F (1C). I've never allowed them to freeze. They seem perfectly content to grow in suitably sized containers.

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Aganonerion polymorphum (Apocynaceae) - la giang, soursop creeper, riverleaf, from Vietnam

9th season mature plants, all seed grown (no clones)
$15+ ship (Ebay sellers have live plants listed at $40-50/ea)
Plants ship from Birmingham, Alabama in a 2-gal pot

This vining shrub from Vietnam produces attractive, edible leaves that give a tart flavor that resembles a loquat fruit. The leaves are added to Vietnamese pho to give a pleasantly tart kick. Plants are easy to maintain, thriving in partial sun with moderate moisture. In cooler climates, they go semi-dormant in the winter and are easily pruned and overwintered indoors. These can be propagated from cuttings, but all of mine are from seed I germinated in April of 2016. Professional obligations force me to downsize my tropical ethnobotanicals. I have seven plants in total, two to keep for myself, and five to share with others who appreciate edible and medicinal plants.




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Update: Everything is sold at this point, and I apologize if I was unable to fill your request. This was a first come, first serve affair and I expected one or more interested parties to not follow through, but everyone did, and I limited orders to stretch things as far as I could. I have one plant remaining and I may keep this one.

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All PMs answered. All are tentatively sold, but I will update with any changes. I am working out the packaging now, which is time consuming. I will reach out privately for address and payment.

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All PMs answered.

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If I wanted fruit, I would buy more than one even if they are self-fertile. Even if they are self-fertile, the flowers may be hermaphroditic like Annona sp. Anyone making a serious attempt at getting fruit should have at least 3-4, and I would prefer to sell them as such.

These have been overwintered in my living room to date. They have not seen a frost, although they did not seem affected by overnight temps <40F (4C). I have a rather tall Annona muricata, and this species seems more resilient and less affected by cold snaps and wind.


I'm interested in one or two of these, depending, but need some info first, please:

1]  Has it yet been deterined that this species is dioecious or is the species self-fertile?
(Cannot find anything online that says which.)

2]  How did/do they hold up to the cold weather?

Kindly advise . . .

Paul M.
Zone 99b Florida
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I have (13) 5th year Anonidium mannii (junglesop) saplings available. These were germinated in the Fall of 2019. Recent life changes force me to downsize, so this is an opportunity to get a huge head start on cultivating this rare and interesting tropical fruit from the jungles of equatorial Africa. These are presently in tall, narrow tree starting pots and are in need of repotting. They are otherwise growing well despite the constraints.

Price $35 USD each + shipping. I get good rates.
Location: Birmingham, Alabama, USA

Should there in be interest in most of or the entire lot, I may be willing to travel some distance to facilitate the exchange.



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After putting my mature-sized plants into ground for their first winter here in Birmingham, Alabama, USA (Zone 7b/8a), I am pleased to report that I am seeing signs of new growth from the base. I placed a generous heap of oak/hickory leaf mulch around the bases of the plants before the first hard freeze. From my notes, the plants did not defoliate until the overnight temperature dropped below 27F (-3C). We had a couple of nights down to 10F (-12C). This answers my question concerning survivability of mature plants in an open situation, however, it does not answer the question as to if the plants will ever have sufficient energy to fruit if they must grow new stems every season instead of resprouting on older wood. If the older stems prove to be dead wood (won't know for a month or two), I'm afraid these may never be productive unless kept as a container plant and overwintered indoors just about anywhere cooler than maybe Zones 9-10.

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This is one of those species that shouldn't be so difficult to find given its popularity, but it is. I have two plants (H. indicus) growing well. I may be able to root cuttings.

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Absolutely, I'll keep participants in this discussion informed. My two hybrids I grew from seed, therefore being genetically different (capable of cross pollinating and fruiting), so I will try to root an equal number each (#1 and #2) so I can offer them in pairs.

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Ah yes, I see that now. This is one of several new ethnobotanical species I contributed to the Dave's Garden website.

Now that I see there is some interest in this plant, I will make a serious effort to clone each of my two commercial hybrids and will provide updates. One thing about rarities is it's never a good thing to be the only one growing them.

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And until now, I was so sure I was the only one in the state that had K. coccinea. I'll have to scratch that taxon off my "I'm surely the only one..." list.  ;)

My problem is similar - too many and too large. The ones in the ground (wild type) are well established, having been there since June, and will soon get a heavy mulching. We'll see what happens.

As for my container plants (hybrids), the mainstems are too large not to attempt rooting (see photo) when I cut them to bring them inside. My success rate in rooting various Schisandra spp. is close to 100%, so I'm thinking there is a good chance of success, especially since K. coccinea apparently remains evergreen in tropical climates, which implies that unlike most Schisandra spp., the time of year may not be a factor in propagating via cuttings.



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From Monograph of Kadsura (Schisandraceae), Richard M.K. Saunders; Systemic Botany Monographs, Vol 54 (June, 1998):
"Species of Kadsura are generally described as monoecious, although they often superficially appear to be dioecious. The only study of the sexuality of the genus was conducted by Okada (1971), who found separate monoecious and dioecious plants of K. japonica in natural populations in Japan. This would appear to be similar to the results reported for the related species Schisandra chinensis, which, although monoecious, has the capability to change sex expression over several years of growth (Ueda 1988). Sex expression is known to be flexible in many plants (Schlessman 1988) and to be affected by various hormonal and environmental factors (Meagher, 1988, and references therein)."

I hope that helps to clarify any confusion. This publication is downloadable on the web (free) in pdf format, as is Saunders' monograph for Schisandra.

My wild type plants are in the ground (second photo). Two flowers appeared last season - no fruit. Flowers are unisex, and these flowers were almost certainly staminate. My two hybrids are in containers and are growing well into the canopy of a Japanese maple. I will cut these before bringing them in for the winter. What I will do is root the cuttings over the winter, and make those available to buy in the spring. The seeds of the hybrids are distinctly larger than those of the wild type, as are the fruit. I was only able to obtain a few hybrid seeds because I was acquainted with someone in the trade in Taiwan who sadly, is no longer with us. I have two strong hybrid plants (first photo) and a dozen or so wild type. The only reliable horticultural information I've found I've had to translate from Chinese, but K. coccinea is not difficult to grow. I've had zero losses. I have three strong K. heteroclita plants as well, which produce a greenish fruit, and I have a good hunch that quite a few of the "K. coccinea" seeds that get sold through the web are in fact K. heteroclita.





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I have been growing Kadsura coccinea and Kadsura heteroclita in Alabama, USA for several years. K. coccinea seeds I've seen on the web are the wild type. I have these, as well as a commercial hybrid that produces much larger fruit. My plants have been container grown and overwintered indoors to this point, but I have some planted outdoors for their first winter test this season (Zone 7b/8a). The first flowers appeared in 2021 (see image). My plants have been situated in a location that receives only direct morning sun. 

I grow six different species of Schisandra as well, and reports of this genus being dioecious are incorrect, which I suspect may apply to Kadsura as well. Saunders clarified this in his monograph on the Schisandra genus (2000). While plants may appear dioecious, only plants large enough and with sufficient energy produce female inflorescence, but those will have male flowers too. They are only sparingly self-fertile (wild types anyway), which is a factor. 



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