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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Giant Avocado fruits
« on: July 09, 2025, 09:39:01 AM »
Picking an open pollinated seedling of Queen now,  biggest avocado I grow.  Great flavor, productive.  Maybe growing next to chicken coop helps. Need extra long picking pole.

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I have Randia megacarpa, called Papache by the locals in Baja CA Sur where I collected it in the mountains near Todos Santos.  The fruit was like a fig in size, jet black seedy flesh ranging from 3 - 5 cm in size.  Flavor was pleasant and sweet.  Common fruit in the area.  My plant is about 5 ft tall, years old, never flowered nor produced fruit.  Dry environment where it is planted with lots of competition here in Central coast of CA.  Seems like tomorrow I should add another dripper to the plant or move it to a better location.  If it flowers I'll have pollen for you.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pouteria lucuma
« on: June 30, 2025, 08:42:13 AM »
Tom, glad to see you appreciate the L-4 macadamia, so do the tree rats around here.  Beaumont is a pretty tree here, but not very productive.  As to Lucuma, my Silber lucuma (Dave Silber) is a beast producing plenty of fruit.  Kinda between wet and dry.  Nice color and flavor. Jack

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Thank you Spaugh for the spelling of HoneyHART. Selected by long-time CRFG member Orton Englehart who contributed much to the group.  Other "heart" labels within the cherimoyas are similarly misnamed.

The beetle will, if it pollinates at all, result in misshapen fruit as a result of incomplete pollination.

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An old time member of CRFG, John Moore, showed me a similar method.  A short (6") piece of tubing was pushed over the top of the grafted scion and filled with water.  This kept the scion hydrated  until growth occurs with the stock.  He filled the tubing daily.  John is long gone, but his fruit selections live on in the US and Mexico.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pest Control
« on: February 22, 2025, 09:28:09 AM »
Maybe I can borrow your hawk?  Our hawks don't work at night when the tree rats (Rattus rattus) are at work.  Been fighting the rats for years, won't use poison, so traps on a pole work.  Trap is encircled with hardware cloth with small hole for rat (to keep birds out).  Hook on pole enables placing trap in tree.  Bait is shelled macadamia nut as that is their preference and will ignore other bait. Rats do a job on my macadamias and avocados, but by catching one or two a week I keep the population down.  Surrounding neighbors contribute to the rat population with indifference.  Nearby avocado groves have a serious problem with these introduced rats.
https://animaldiversity.org/accounts/Rattus_rattus/

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Rat proofing fruit trees
« on: January 19, 2025, 07:07:45 PM »
Most of us experiencing tree rats are enjoying Rattus rattus, subfamily Murinae, commonly called tree rats, black rats, roof rats, palm rats, ship rats, etc.  They are introduced to all continents except antarctica. Not native to CA, they are thriving due to the weather, food, and lack of serious predation by other animals. They were native to Africa, Europe (old world rats), Asia, Australia. It was the black rat, Rattus rattus, that spread the fleas causing the Bubonic plague (Black Death) in Europe.  The tree rat (Rattus rattus) is smaller (7 oz) than Norway rat (11 oz) and actually better looking for a rat. Tail is longer than body and a tan or white underbelly.  They rapidly climb trees and move through a tree canopy easily.   Our orchard is mature and has interlocking limbs, a virtual highway for them.  Snap traps work, must be tended regularly.  Best bait here is a shelled macadamia nut, they ignore peanut butter etc. preference is the macadamia. They ruin avocados on the tree, bite white sapotes and other fruits and nuts. Their nocturnal habit makes shooting them difficult.  Poison is not used due to benign creatures living in the area like possums, raccoons, cats.  Neighbor had pest control place poison in their attic, rats died and someone had to find the dead bodies in the attic due to the pervasive odor in their house. Snap traps need to be screened to avoid catching birds.  Probably no final solution, but gophers seem to be forever also.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Rat proofing fruit trees
« on: January 17, 2025, 10:31:04 PM »
Been dealing with tree (attic, palm, black) rats, rattus rattus for about 10 years.  Flashing is a good idea, but they readily move from tree to tree throughout the canopy.  Here, their preferred food is macadamia, but also enjoy avocado, apple, etc. They will eat citrus leaving a hollow shell of the fruit.  Nocturnal in nature I cannot easily use my pellet gun.  I do reduce the numbers with metal galvanized rat traps from Amazon (several varieties). I bait the trap with a shelled macadamia nut.  The trap is attached to a 6 ft pole with a hook on the end to hook it in the tree.  The trap, at the upper end is encircled with hardware cloth with an entrance hole for the rat.  Without the hardware cloth I will catch and kill local birds that for some reason need to check out the baited trap, to their misfortune.  I run about 20 traps on our 1 1/2 acre (counting those in our barn) and will get a rat or two each week.  Their carcass is put in the same place on the property each time and after a couple of hours it is gone.  My game camera shows the local crows take the body away (daytime) and raccoons, possums, and local cats work the night.  They are the reason I don't use poison. One night it was a visiting coyote.  Their habits as night feeders preclude our hawks and owls having much effect.  In a month, the macadamias will harden and they can't chew through the shell easily and will welcome my shelled nut attached to the trap and will become food for the others.  Traps must be checked daily or so as the removal of a decomposed rat from a trap is decidedly unpleasant.  I won't "win" this battle as neighbors have the same pests, but I can reduce their numbers and hopefully reduce their reproductive ability.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Wtb Malibu #3 white sapote scion
« on: January 14, 2025, 09:31:40 AM »
You might check locally (like CRFG SLO scion exchange in Feb) as so many varieties are available in the Central Coast area due to CRFG members participating in collecting varieties from old-time members who had extensive collections of white sapote.  The Malibu varieties were collected by member John Moore many years ago and are found on local trees (local to Lompoc/Santa Maria).  Nice thing about white sapotes is that they thrive in our area and are very productive.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What’s your favorite unusual fruit?
« on: December 20, 2024, 10:57:53 AM »
Pitaya fruit from Baja CA.  Sweet red flesh, black seeds.   Found in roadside sellers when in season.

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We have Triumph and Mammoth growing in the Central Coast of CA.  Both are New Zealand varieties and exceed ones like Coolidge, Edenvale, etc. both in flavor and size.  Our climate, however is quite benign.

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Elijah.  This is probably a partial list of macadamia varieties growing here.  All are mature producing trees.  Beaumont, Cate, Z-3, Miller 10, HAES752, Mike Lewis, Elimbah, Durambah, Pocket, HAES 747, Sewell/Probert2, Old Lady Babcock, L-4, and 27 seedlings.  About 40 macadamia trees on our 1 1/2 acre parcel.  Seedlings do well, are variable in flavor and quality of nut, take a while to produce nuts. Several seedlings are larger and better flavored than grafted varieties. We have been here for close to 50 years and started collecting mac and avocado varieties from way back after being told we could not grow them here. A bit overdone perhaps.  Successful grafts require scionwood preparation several months before cutting.  Without that, takes are close to zero.

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Interesting discussion.  Alastair, just go for it.  I am in 9b, told I cannot grow macadamias here.  After over 30 years there is a forest of mature macadamias thriving including a variety collection. Frost was originally a problem, but no longer after trees gained some maturity (no more covers, return stack heaters, etc). Macadamias are beasts with regard to poor soil (Protea family, used to poor soil and lack of nutrients).  One can actually easily over fertilize them.  However, our soil is pure dune sand, quickly drains with no nutrients, hard to apply enough water.  I water every other day.  As Kevin said, it is like marbles all over the ground.  Huge crops of nuts, fall on their own.  Different varieties have different flavors.  Most trees were seedlings grafted with selected varieties when they got big enough.  Just plant some seeds (fresh) and see what happens.  Cracking fallen nuts is not a problem, special hand crackers or simply a hammer.  Macadamias are an evergreen tree, tough, beautiful when in bloom. 
An introduced rat is a problem here (and avocado groves, other fruit crops). Rattus rattus (tree rat, palm rat, roof rat) really enjoys the nuts, can chew through husk of immature nuts. Rats are arboreal and nocturnal, move from tree to tree over canopy. Our trees are touching somewhat.  Thankfully there are so many nuts, I am forced to share.  Snap traps on poles hanging in trees (screened to keep birds out) work.  Like dealing with snails (which are eaten by the rats...no more snails!)  Won't use poison as we have other animals that eat caught dead rats (crows, possums, raccoons, other rats). Soon immature nuts will harden their husk and rats won't be able to chew them.  Nuts are the bait, no other bait appeals to them. If you plant some seedlings (fresh nuts), you can see the effect of your growing conditions over time and graft varieties on the seeding as a rootstock (or grow them out...10 years).  Jack, Nipomo

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya pollination
« on: June 08, 2024, 11:13:00 PM »
Beginning flowers here.  I'd use a much smaller softer brush.  I collect the anthers in a small container in the AM and evening.  I pollinate when the petals open up mid day and simply use the anthers on the brush to pollinate as they contain the pollen.  If a flower has not opened yet completely, I still put the anthers on the stigma.  I pull one petal off each flower pollinated as an indication of my efforts.  I do use anthers from any other cherimoya.

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Wish I could give you seeds.  Plant survives, about 4 ft tall, never had flowers or fruit.  Ate the fruit from a tree in Baja, quite good.  Someday....

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sapote in large containers?
« on: May 31, 2024, 07:23:50 PM »
No fruits currently on C. tetrameria, some flowering.  C. tetrameria on C. edulis works and dwarfs the tree also.  Grafts were done many years ago and trees are doing well.  Potentially perhaps an interstock of C. tetrameria could be used.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sapote in large containers?
« on: May 31, 2024, 04:48:27 PM »
Might suggest using a yellow sapote (Casimiroa tetrameria) as a dwarfing rootstock.  I have several white sapotes (C. edulis) on their own roots and on white sapote rootstock and they become giant trees producing large quantities of fruit.  They are in the ground on 1 1/2 acres.  I also have several white sapotes (C. edulis) grafted on yellow sapote (C. tetrameria) rootstock that are less than 6 ft tall after 25 years in the ground.  C. tetrameria is a small tree on its own roots and substantially dwarfs C. edulis producing normal sized fruit.  No evidence of any incompatibility.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Suebelle vs Vernon White Sapote
« on: May 20, 2024, 08:36:52 AM »
If size matters, here Vernon fruit is much larger than Suebelle.  As mentioned, Suebelle is a much smaller tree than Vernon (and fuzzy underleaves and possibly a hybrid between Casimiroa edulis and Casimiroa tetrameria-yellow sapote) 

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Several possibilities from earwigs to snail/slugs.  Go out at night with a flashlight and you will probably see the creature(s). 

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Have been using C. tetrameria for rootstock for almost 50 years.  It is compatible with C. edulis and produces a very dwarfed tree of C. edulis (some less than 5 ft tall, normal sized fruit)  C. tetrameria on its own roots is the size of a large mature peach tree.  C. tetrameria on C. edulis produces a 7-8 ft tree with normal sized fruits.  I have not noticed any production differences on these trees, but they are well advanced in age and maturity.  Possible restrictions at the graft union both dwarfs the tree and encourages fruit set.  I have too many C. edulis trees dropping fruit to ascertain production numbers.  C. edulis here in Nipomo are virtual giant weeds coating the ground with fallen fruit.  Still, the giant C. edulis is tamed down to a much smaller tree by using C. tetrameria as rootstock.  Now somebody needs to try different lengths of interstock as is done with apples to see if the degree of dwarfing can be controlled.

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Couple of comments on rootstock for white sapote Casimiroa edulis...White sapote grafted on yellow sapote Casimiroa tetrameria produces a very small tree (6 ft tall or less).  Yellow sapote grafted on a white sapote rootstock produces a nice sized tree about 6-7 ft tall and spreading.  I have several examples of each, including trees on their own rootstock and their own variety ( C. tetrameria or C. edulis) rootstock.  They are the benefit of playing around with Casimiroa varieties and growing them for 40+ years. Our C. edulis is almost 50 years old, multigrafted, survived 17 degrees, and produces great quantities of fruit (one if which is Vernon, which is also dwarfed on another rootstock-C.tetrameria).  The dwarfed Vernon does not produce the quantity of fruit, of course, but normal sized fruit on a much smaller tree.  Over the years, have not experienced any incompatibility with differing rootstock except for the dwarfing effect. Your results may vary....

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Pinkerton is great too.  Julie Frink suggested Hellen.

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Jan Boyce is one of my favorites, but Hellen is even better with flavor and size.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Anyone Growing Russell Avocado?
« on: April 18, 2024, 09:40:22 AM »
Don't remember my source, but we'll get back to the subject in a few years (hopefully).

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