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Got a bunch of marbles also.  There were still open flowers up to about 3 weeks ago. Only been fruiting for 3 years, and this year started the earliest so far.  Wonder if it's just a maturity thing, or this winter just started earlier than previous?


Sampled a wind-damaged fruit yesterday and it was good, especially if you prefer more of the champagney taste.  Going to see how far these earlier fruit can go without getting too bland, since the netting seems to be working against any critters.

Dont know what all of the places are you named but you can skip Hatcher.

Me neither.  This will be my first mango pilgrimage so was just scouring forum, yelp & google reviews for any place that might hint at a fruit stand with mangos.  Will have to call them up when we get closer to confirm varieties, availability, hours.  Thanks for helping weed out though.

YP is  Oops, that was a potential lychee, vs mango, source.  Not yet sure if it is worth trying to drive out extra to Loxahatchee area, since we're staying in Boca Raton, but was just keeping it as possible (as well as Naga & Carribean) to check on later.

Will look into Peace River.  Thanks!

We'll be doing similar trip starting the 17th.  Hoping to snag all the mangoes up front, but marked a couple extra stops along the way in case.  Haven't vetted them all yet, and haven't finished looking for stuff in the later half, but possibly:

Walter Zill
Carribean Plants & Produce
Tropical Acres

Truly Tropical

Hidden Acres
Palmettto Bay Farmers Market


Pine Island

Fruit & Spice
Mango Men

Robert Is Here
Redland Market Village

Grimal Grove

Any duds here, or other notables?

Citrus General Discussion / Re: How to best graft small CCPP scions?
« on: March 11, 2021, 12:49:39 PM »
Had to look that up.  This one?
I have tried that and the variant at the bottom, except I was tucking the scion against the vertical cut instead of deeper in the flap.

Great service, product, & packaging even!  Greatly appreciate the bonuses as well.  Barely got them all grafted last night before the rain came in.  With all the attention to details, if I ever found myself in Alabama, I'd have to make a stop at your place just to see what you've done.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: How to best graft small CCPP scions?
« on: March 11, 2021, 03:07:40 AM »
I ordered 4 sticks last year, and got 1 circular and 3 angular ones.  I suppose if you're budding, it doesn't matter, but I haven't tried budding yet.  I cut them in half and did 3 bark & 5 clefts, with only 1 angular cleft straight failing.  I've done a couple clefts with other scions that small, onto new growth, but with only about 60% success.  I prefer clefts, but now wouldn't hesitate with bark grafts to get it into a desired position.

We have those cheap steel pergolas from HD, in dark brown too.  Passion fruit & chayote grow on it fine.  The vines end up shading the metal anyways.  Some small DF in pots also try to climb it.  Of course we don't get the temp extremes to really test either end of the range.

I am able to add images from the link below the text box, instead of the one above it.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Graft now or wait?
« on: March 08, 2021, 01:48:59 AM »
I'd consider Fullerton pretty hot.  I grew up in San Gabriel, and Fullerton was a small step up warmer.  Sort of miss the heat.  Now I live in sweaters vs t-shirts.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Graft now or wait?
« on: March 08, 2021, 12:42:11 AM »
Does Ponkan require a lot of heat for flavor?  CCPP description mentions "Climatically, the ponkan is one of the most tropical mandarins.  Under tropical conditions the fruit attains maximum size and quality and finds little competition from other mandarins.  In the hot arid subtropics, however, it has generally proven disappointing and other varieties are better adapted and more popular."  Although I'd like to try it, I might not have enough heat for it to be worthwhile.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: When to let new grafts fruit?
« on: March 08, 2021, 12:38:13 AM »
Hmm, test scores vs happiness :P

Thanks Kaz for the tips.  I had already trimmed the original branches a bit to stimulate more pushes, plus tied them a bit lower to reduce any apical competition (not sure if that applies to citrus as much as other fruits).  I was wondering how long to keep the remainder since I want to keep the roots growing until the grafts can sustain them, so the 6 month target is useful.  So far, just rubbing off other buds for now.  Luckily I do have 3 other bushes with grafts also.  I did lose 2 grafts recently to some animal breaking them, but found 1 early enough to regraft it elsewhere.  Which reminds me to chicken wire the remaining ones just in case.

Citrus General Discussion / When to let new grafts fruit?
« on: March 06, 2021, 01:32:04 AM »

Shiranui grafted in September started pushing last month, including some flowers.  This is on a 5g Cara Cara I purchased just as a rootstock.  Since it would be fed by the nearest leaves only (yet to be fully formed), could it be allowed to hold fruit (assuming it could be secured so it wouldn't break the graft)?  Or would the fruit, as a sink, retard the growth of the remaining scion buds?

Another question is how to manage the remaining nurse branches?  Should I cut back progressively, proportionally to new growth, or is there some threshold of the amount of new growth when you just take them all off?

Oh, i have to use the link below the input box, not the one above it.

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I don't know of other options other than ccpp, since that's all I'm allowed to use.  Dekopon is listed as Shiranui (  Looks like it is unavailable currently.  Gold Nugget ( can usually be found around easily, even in our home depots. e.g.  Given the costs of shipping from ccpp, I think it would be more cost-effective to get the plant from any nursery and pull any scions from that, unless you have other budwood choices anyways.

Have a couple starting to yellow, but I'm not expecting to get to that stage for a while.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Loquat fruit issues
« on: March 02, 2021, 09:20:16 PM »
This was pretty much all the culls:

It definitely is more like dehydration than rot.  The spots are all dry and tough like jerky, vs mushy.  I wasn't really thinking purple when looking at them, but perhaps the earlier stages are more purplish.  I wish I would have noticed sooner, but they were mostly on the upper facing sides.  Only when one branch got bent down due to the weight did I spot it and then pulled out the ladder to check them all.

Purple spot gives a lot more google hits, so hopefully I can fix my practices.  This study suggests a correlation with night temperature,, which has been pretty low.  Even if we recently have been hitting 70s in the day, it's still been 30-40s at night.  Plus, it mentions elevated sugar levels affecting the osmotic balance, and the sugar changes kick in mostly around color break.  Also, thinning increases the risks and I did a little of that this year to see how big some can get.  Like this study found incidence increases with increasing leaf area to fruit ratio:  Some studies suggest supplements (Ca/N) prior to color break, so perhaps I should be feeding earlier, but not sure on that part yet.  Conversely, could recent rains have diluted levels, particularly since I have very sandy soil. 

The variety is Champagne, but there are a couple of Kaz's Big Jim and some of those fruit were also affected.  I don't see any spots on leaves.  Just some occasional tips and some burnt margins on tender growth.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Loquat fruit issues
« on: March 01, 2021, 09:18:03 PM »
Thanks for the tips!  I had culled out the burnt ones.  This year, most of the fruit is exposed.  Perhaps I'm supposed to push more growth after the set so they get covered more.  I just was cautious with the watering since it's been so cold.  The fruits are generally larger this year compared to previous, but turns out a lot more seeds and less flesh ratio, at least on the culled ones.  Hoping to be able to still plump up the remainder.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Loquat fruit issues
« on: February 28, 2021, 06:00:59 PM »
I was thinking possibly also sunburn, since all the affected areas are sun-oriented sides mostly.  Cut open a couple and it's just leathery & dried up on the spots.  No rot going through.  We don't normally get a lot of heat, but Monday did hit 88F.  If so, would it just be a matter of shading, or can I prevent it by watering more?  I do tend to stay on the drier side rather than overwatering.  I'd also be bummed to learn that the fruit were that sensitive to such short heat spikes, but it would be better than having to deal with some other infection.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pineapple from seed?
« on: February 28, 2021, 01:50:24 PM »
Another leaf!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Loquat fruit issues
« on: February 28, 2021, 01:36:07 PM »

Trying to identify the issue and possible remedies.  Haven't seen this before, but the trees have just started fruiting for the last 3 years, and haven't had many fruit till now.  Sunken areas are dry & stiff rather than mushy.  Would guess more of a scab than a rot, but my google-fu isn't turning up any matching images.  Not seeing any major issues on the foliage.  A few burnt tips here and there. 

This looks like it may be starting on some other fruits

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Vegetative growth/ mixed bloom?
« on: February 22, 2021, 11:24:52 AM »
I'd expect just the little pannicle at the bottom to dry up and not the whole flush, if that's what you're asking?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pineapple from seed?
« on: February 21, 2021, 11:29:09 PM »
Looking good!  I'm already seeing some fungus on the pot edges, so hopefully, I can dry out most of the top to contain the spread.  When you said that feeding didn't seem to help, did you try it?  I'm not at the point where I would try it yet, but I'd be scared of overdoing it.  Then again, I haven't burned any of the smaller TCs.  Although, I haven't run a control either to compare fed vs unfed either.  I use DG FP for most of my tropicals as it's pretty much no-fuss.

I like Gold Nugget at our location since we don't get a lot of heat, but it can still get sweet enough for us.  Kishus similarly also work well for us.  I'm curious how Shiranui will taste when I eventually fruit it, but probably another 2 years.  I've tried Honey mandarin which comes out bland, and Cara Cara and Moro are way more tart than what I can buy. 

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