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Cold Hardy Citrus / Arctic Frost Satsuma Problem
« on: May 31, 2020, 04:39:09 PM »
I have two Arctic Frost Satsuma trees that I have had for around five years.
They have never been healthy. I had one orange the first year.
If I can't figure out what's going on with them, I'm going to try to rehome them and give someone else a shot with them.

In the past, I was pretty successful with citrus. A couple of things have changed in my setup. (1) I stained my deck a dark brown. (2) Jungle growth potting mix is no longer available.

I don't know if these factors have anything to do with my problems.

I have tried using Osmocote Citrus time release in the past, and this year I'm using Jacks Professional 20-20-20 water-soluble. The Jacks does have .0125% Boron

Please take a look at the photos and make a recommendation.

Thanks in advance for anyone's help


Citrus General Discussion / Re: New addition
« on: November 03, 2018, 11:47:04 AM »
I have been using the air pots for a few years. I can't remember where I bought them online.
I did a web search and found them at
They look like they are priced around what i remember that I paid for mine.

I'm located in Alabama also.
I'm not sure whats wrong with your tree, but I will let you know what I have experienced with my trees.
The trees don't do well in really hot environments such as the one you have created with the black weed cloth.
I had my trees on a very dark stained wood deck and the sun literally baked the trees in the summer. The barely survived the summer with little growth. By chance I move the trees off the deck into the yard and miraculously they came alive and started to grow.

My experience my have nothing to to with your problem, but it's something you might consider.

Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Dekopon seeds
« on: March 05, 2018, 09:42:44 PM »
Yes Dekopon is true from seed.

You have to choose the nucellar seedlings. Otherwise you can end like this. :

Hello my friend! I just hope some nursery start to sell dekopon trees soon!  ;D

Buy online from Dekopon is also known as Shiraniu in Florida.
  Is this the correct tree?

Is there an easy way to identify a nucellar seedling?

Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Dekopon seeds
« on: March 01, 2018, 10:45:12 PM »
Thank you Millet.

Citrus General Discussion / Dekopon Seeds- True to Parent?
« on: February 28, 2018, 08:22:22 PM »
Are Dekopon seeds true to the parent?
I have a number of seedlings and want to know if they are worth keeping.
I don't want to invest many years into them only to be disappointed.

Thank You.

Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Dekopon seeds
« on: February 26, 2018, 07:50:47 PM »
I have 8 Dekopon seeds that have germinated.
I was under the impression that the seeds were true to the parent.

Are Dekopon not true? If they are not, I may toss them out. I don't want to invest several years only to find out they are not true Dekopon

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Dekopon Seed Germination
« on: February 26, 2018, 03:53:19 PM »
Look's like I have 8 seedlings now.
I didn't expect that I would have that many germinate.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Dekopon Seed Germination
« on: February 21, 2018, 06:21:25 PM »
I have 6 seeds that have sprouted. A couple are around an inch tall now and have a couple of leaves.
Hopefully at least one will survive.
I guess now that I know that I can buy a tree out of Florida, the mystique of the Dekopon seeds have subsided.
As they say, when you think something is hard to get, the more you want to have it.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Dekopon Seed Germination
« on: February 05, 2018, 05:24:20 PM »
Thanks. Harris does have them in stock. I will give my seeds a week to sprout since I have already planted them.
If they do sprout, I will see if anyone wants them. For me, If I do decide I want a tree, I will order a 5 gal size from Harris.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Dekopon Seed Germination
« on: February 04, 2018, 07:33:06 PM »
I didn't know Dekopon was available for purchase.
Can you tell me who has it for sale? I would love to buy a tree.


Citrus General Discussion / Re: Dekopon Seed Germination
« on: February 04, 2018, 07:01:05 PM »
Thank you Mr.Texas.
I would also like to thank the others that have viewed the thread.
A big thanks to Millet for his advice also.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Blooming & Leaf Drop
« on: February 02, 2018, 08:34:59 PM »
Thanks for the info. Last year I had a lot of problems with white flies and sprayed the trees heavily with neem oil.
The leaves still have a sticky feel to them.
Hopefully I will get a lot of new leaf growth this year, and the old oily leaves will drop.

Citrus General Discussion / Dekopon Seed Germination
« on: February 02, 2018, 08:29:36 PM »
I have some Dekopon seed that I was fortunate to find in fruit that I purchased from Whole Foods this week.
I have around 17 seeds. Most appear small, and I would say immature.

What is the recommended way to attempt to get these seed to germinate? Do I need to dry them first?


Millet, thanks for the reminder. I sprayed my 2 Arctic Frost today. I mixed up 1 quart of the Urea solution                     (25 grams/quart)
I applied the solution to both sides of the leaves.
This is a make or break year for this variety for me.
Hopefully this will make a difference.

Can anyone name a specific name brand product name that meets the low biuret requirement?


Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Arctic Frost / Orange Frost Satsuma?
« on: November 17, 2017, 09:08:16 PM »
I picked an Arctic Frost fruit today. I don't know if i picked it too early. It was colored orange almost entirely.
As someone pointed out, it does have a unpleasant smell when peeling. The smell I would describe as a very bitter citrus peel oil.
My tree is only in it's second summer on my deck. The taste of the young tree fruit was very unremarkable. Very little citrus flavor. The flavor could be described as watery.
Hopefully as the tree matures, the flavor will get better. Unless the fruit makes a dramatic improvement, I don't think this variety will remain on my deck.

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Arctic Frost / Orange Frost Satsuma?
« on: October 21, 2017, 04:53:18 PM »
I have a couple of Arctic Frost trees of the deck. I have had them two summers and one of them has a two fruits.
I'm anxious to see how the fruit taste this year.
I bought the trees for their purported freeze resistance. I love my Meyer's but I'm tired of the cold weather struggle.
I have noticed the Arctic Frost is not very prolific compared to the Meyer. With the Meyer I'm used to having baskets of fruit, not the few I see on the Arctic Frost. Maybe it will bear more fruit next year.

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Arctic Frost Satsuma experience
« on: May 18, 2017, 06:45:02 PM »

I have found the Arctic Frost not to be vigorous and very touchy to transplanting. It is not a grafted plant but originally grown from seed and now propagated by cuttings.

Anyone else have experience with an Arctic Frost Satsuma?  I'll later attach a photo of the one Arctic Frost I kept in greenhouse protection this winter.


I have a couple of Arctic Frost and I don't consider them to be a vigorous grower either. My trees are in their second summer. I got them pretty late in the season last year. I have them planted in air pots.

Hopefully they will have a good growing season this year.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Meyer Lemon Limb Question
« on: January 30, 2016, 06:12:25 PM »
I think I see two limbs near the bottom of the plant with copper tubing attached. If the lower limbs get fruit on them, and they will , they will end up bending down too much. Then you will need to put some props under the limbs ! The bottom limbs usually have the most fruit. Also see 'low hanging fruit' ! Tom

It's the larger limb at the front of the photo that I'm really concerned about.
I seem to recall reading somewhere that extremely vigorous growing limbs don't bear fruit on citrus. It may have been referring to a secondary limb that grows straight up.   

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Meyer Lemon Limb Question
« on: January 30, 2016, 06:08:09 PM »
No, It's Williams

I see you are from Montgomery. have you ever visited Petals From The past near Jemison?

They have a lot of citrus and Dr Arlie Powell is an Auburn Professor Emeritus. I believe his area of expertise is citrus.

Citrus General Discussion / Meyer Lemon Limb Question
« on: January 30, 2016, 05:26:03 PM »
Can anyone look at the photo of my tree. I concerned with a limb that emerged last summer. It was vigorous growing and was growing upwards at an angle that was a little steep for my taste.

Currently I have tie wrapped a piece of 1/4 copper tubing to the limb to shape it downward. I believe this will correct the upward growth.

This limb does not appear to have any flower buds on it and the leaves are larger than the leaves on the other limbs. The other limbs appear to be developing nice flower buds.

My question is, will this limb ever amount to anything? or is it a limb that will never produce fruit?

Thanks in advance



Citrus General Discussion / Re: Winter Light Recommendation Including Link
« on: November 17, 2015, 06:36:36 PM »
Thanks everyone. It's hard to make a decision on what type light to use. The compounding factors are largely monetary. When I've only got one tree that's probably worth around $100 at the most, I have to really talk myself into spending a lot of money to save it.

The smartest move to make would be to simply send it over to my family's greenhouses about 20 miles from my home. I have done this many times over the years with my other trees. I hate to do this because it will be gone for probably 4 or 5 months. I really enjoy taking  care of the tree and will miss having it.

I think at this point I will try to roll it outside on days above freezing and see how that works for now.

Thanks again

Citrus General Discussion / Winter Light Recommendation Including Link
« on: November 16, 2015, 01:23:13 PM »
Millet, Or Anyone with lighting experience,

Can you look at these lights on Amazon and make a recommendation as to which if any would be good for my Meyer lemon tree?
I have built an insulated (minimal) 6 ft a 6 ft cube on a covered portion of my deck. My plan is to roll the tree out daily when the temperature goes above freezing.

I'm afraid that rolling the tree out everyday is going to get old in a hurry, so I was considering adding a light. I plan to add a small electric space heater to keep the temperature around 34 deg on the cold nights.

There are a variety of light fixtures on the Amazon page. From 2 ft 2 tube all the way to 4 ft 12 tubes. I would like to buy the most economical fixture that will provide the correct light intensity.

Sorry I forgot to add the link. Here it is:
Here is the link to the light (s):


I don't know what I would do if I were in the situation of a large citrus grower. To me I would be reluctant to set out more trees until I felt reasonably sure the greening disease would not infect the new trees.


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