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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Che, medlar, arbutus trees
« on: January 26, 2023, 11:37:32 AM »
Do you want arbutus seeds? There's 'Marina' fruit now, and I might be able to find some unedo around town.

I don't think those are flower buds. I got a couple flowers on my K. japonica once around June, don't think the buds looked like that.


This may actually be S. huastecorum, but that's true for most things sold as S. pruinosus, S. griseus, and even S. querataroensis. It's cheap though.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruit trees I gave up on
« on: January 10, 2023, 12:07:42 PM »
Almost giving up on figs, feijoa and mulberry, to hot and rainy here, haven't got much decent fruit out of em. Never any feijoa.

feijoa are almost exclusively pollinated by hummingbirds! coincidentally, australia has no hummingbirds : (

Source on feijoa pollination being almost exclusively pollinated by hummingbirds? Mine are mainly pollinated by squirrels and larger birds, which are attracted to the sweet petals. In fact, here's a study:

"A. sellowiana flowers have fleshy white petals with a purple interior, with many red stamens and an upright red central pistil located above (Figure 1a). The pollination process is unusual since the energy-rich petals are the resource being consumed by birds that are the main pollinators (Ramirez & Kallarackal, 2017)"

"Flowers do not produce nectar." -

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: eugenia < garcinia ?
« on: January 10, 2023, 01:00:56 AM »
for this forum, crazy dancing isn't really the best way to direct each other's attention.  neither is democracy because we risk being flooded with stupid content.
You make a good point!

I believe these are the breba crop.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Yangmei (Morella/Myrica rubra) thread
« on: December 29, 2022, 07:15:10 PM »
Can anyone ID this plant? Is it something that's compatible rootstock with Yangmei?

Toyon Heteromeles arbutifolia

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Troubled pitangatuba in grow room
« on: December 24, 2022, 01:41:58 PM »
Purpling of leaves comes from very cold weather, and is the plant's way of absorbing as much heat as possible from the sun (like wearing a black shirt on a sunny day).
That's not true, and it's not true that leaves only color for phosphorous deficiency or deciduous plants in the fall. Anthocyanins protect the plant tissue against freezing.

"There have been a surprisingly large number of hypotheses about the potential ecological benefits of producing new anthocyanin pigments in senescing leaves. From a physiological perspective, the most common explanation is grounded in the idea of protection against external stressors such as cold, drought, ozone, UV radiation, or pest and pathogen exposure. Anthocyanins are generated following exposure of the plant to a range of stressors, and anthocyanins have various biochemical properties (e.g., as a chemical antifreeze agent and a powerful antioxidant) that may help leaves better survive stressors. "

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Troubled pitangatuba in grow room
« on: December 24, 2022, 10:53:05 AM »
purple leaves only means 1 of 2 things:
- autumn
- phosphorus deficiency

given that pitangatuba are evergreen, it is option 2 but other plants might be trickier to diagnose if they lose leaves naturally in late fall/early winter

Pitatngatubas turn purple in the cold, doesn't matter if they're evergreen. It could also be to reject excess light, i.e. maybe your lights are too strong.

The plants look dried out and sunburnt. Some of that is normal this time of year, but that mix looks overly dry. They can't handle much fertilizer, might be overfed, meaning it can't take up enough water. Really doesn't look very bad though. I wouldn't add anything other than water.

You think $5/seed is cheap? So generous of you to do this out of the goodness of your heart...

The first set of flowers opened missing most of the parts, now the second set is opening the same way. This was after I pulled back the sepals to show the inside of the flower. Does not seem promising.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What makes a good espalier candidate?
« on: November 10, 2022, 11:03:25 AM »
Feijoas don't need to be picked, they fall to the ground a bit underripe, ripen on the counter. They're common for hedges.

Both of my grandparents, and several of their friends that lived in Guam for a period of time on the base developed Parkinsonism/PSP. None of them were genetically related. My relatives never knowingly consumed pawpaw or annona fruits. We did a fair bit of research regarding cause when my second grandparent was diagnosed and it seems like it would be very difficult to unwind all of the potential causes. I'd be curious too, and I haven't looked, but about the overall increase in instances of Parkinsonism across the world and its territories and how much could be assigned to better testing, more awareness, or just overall greater case load. (before demonizing pawpaw)

Parkinsons in Guam is suspected to be linked to consumption of cycad-eating bats. But on-base it could be so many other things, as you say.

Are there any other tropical crops that are unhealthy to eat a lot of? 

Taro and Monstera deliciousa come to mind ( oxalic acid ). Not a problem if prepared properly.
Both Cashew and Mango fruit have irritating sap, many for fruit pickers.
Durian and Jackfruit directly kill a bunch of people ever year, heavy fruit falling on their heads.
Apples have cyanide in the seed, can cause problems if not removed before brewing Scrumpy Cider.

Potatoes are also toxic:

"After the Lenape variety was released for commercial production, a potato breeder in Ontario ate some to see if they might be suitable as new potatoes but soon felt nauseated. When the same occurred next time he ate them, he sent a sample to be analysed by a vegetable biochemist, Dr. Ambrose Zitnak of the University of Guelph, who found they contained exceptionally high levels of glycoalkaloids (mainly solanine and chaconine), the natural toxins found in potatoes that help protect them from pests and disease.[5] Lenape potatoes collected from around Canada were found to contain over 1635 mg of glycoalkaloids per 100 g of fresh potato compared to 318 mg in other varieties.[4] Samples grown at 39 locations around the US had an average of 29 mg per 100 g of potato but ranged from 1665 mg compared to an average of 8 mg for five other varieties."

If 29 mg/100g of glycoalkaloids causes nausea, how safe is the average 8 mg/100g? "potato farmers aim to keep solanine levels below 0.2 mg/g"  So the recommended safe limit is 20 mg/100g, but 29 mg/100g causes acute nausea? It's unclear if there are long-term deleterious effects, but why risk it when there are safer alternatives?

Oxalic acid is also a lot more common than you might think:

"Although spinach is touted as being high in iron and calcium content, and is often served and consumed in its raw form, raw spinach contains high levels of oxalates, which block absorption of calcium and iron in the stomach and small intestine. Spinach cooked in several changes of water has much lower levels of oxalates and is better digested and its nutrients absorbed more completely.[7][8] In addition to preventing absorption and use, high levels of oxalates remove iron from the body.[8][9]"

No winner yet. Here's a list of all the guesses made so far.

Here's a clue. The winning number is 2 digits, and someone already guessed it backwards.

It looks like 14, 74, 86, 87 are remaining options that meet the clue. I've used up my 2 guesses but this forum is about helping others, and we need more Peluche in this world. Good luck to the remaining forum members!
I knew with some simple POE it could be brought down...

Not the correct remaining options though, but I feel posting them takes the fun out of it. I see 6 remaining, 2 of those are on your list.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Something eating my seeds?
« on: October 23, 2022, 06:33:20 PM »
Squirrels (and jays) are a seasonal issue. Right now they're being compelled to collect and bury acorns for the winter.  I think they might have another annoying phase in the spring, but most of the year they don't bother my seeds.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Annona scleroderma taste issue
« on: October 23, 2022, 04:04:41 PM »
"One has to know exactly when to eat them. Becaues if you eat them too early, they are sour, or if you eat them too over-ripe, they are mushy; but just right, they are delicious" - Christine Gray, 1991, The Survival of the Posh-te

"We have found it is best picked when the fruit is well filled out and the markings on the skin flatten out. Take inside and leave to ripen, similar to a custard apple." -Christine Gray, 1990, Correct to a Te

E-jardim's photo looks more ripe than yours.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Please ID: AU Rainforest fruit
« on: October 23, 2022, 03:20:23 PM »
You didn't get any photos of the leaves or anything? What other species have a similar looking fruit? Groups of three seems uncommon. Maybe some not-fully-ripe Toechima?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jaboticaba: is this normal?
« on: October 23, 2022, 03:04:29 PM »
Looks like a water uptake issue. Could be from waterlogged soil, underwatering, or too much salts/fertilizer in the soil. Probably the latter. I had that issue with some after a repot, basically didn't grow for over a year until I repotted them in a better mix. They did recover. Jaboticabas are tough.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Peluche loquat white flesh
« on: October 21, 2022, 11:13:00 PM »
"This loquat cutting will be from my grafted tree that is a proven Peluche with the large orange flesh fruits. The origin of this Peluche source is Adam (Flying Fox Fruits)." - sc4001992

Maybe Adam picked the ebay picture ones early?

75 and 12?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing pawpaw in Southern California
« on: October 14, 2022, 12:42:28 PM »
NateTheGreat. Looking at the picture of your young Pawpaw plants I feel that you should have continued with the shade net protection (with 60% to 80% shade) for at least the first 4 to 5 years in your area. Some good leaf compost, keeping the soil slightly acidic, good mulch and adequate watering should help. To help pollination you could put some cut open rotten fruits nearby the closely planted different variety of Pawpaw plants. With the above conditions one should start getting fruits in grafted plants in about 5 years and the seedlings in 8 to 12 years.

Like I said, mine pollinate fine. What problem are you trying to solve? My trees are healthy.

Really hard to say. Sapodilla? I don't grow it, so a low-confidence guess.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pinia 'Shawi' Germination
« on: October 09, 2022, 11:12:18 PM »
Dang. The rest of mine are going moldy. I can see white mold (or fungus) coming up through the soil surface on a few of them. I've been trying to keep them drier, but I think it's a lost cause. Maybe I'll try digging them up and cleaning them tomorrow. Unfortunately I planted the other 19 in one soil mix, and this one in an old tall pot with a different mix from something that died. Kept the 19 indoors, let this one do its thing outside. So probably my bad :/

At least I have one. Hopefully these can graft to cambuca. Nice job getting all 5 to sprout.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Pinia 'Shawi' Germination
« on: October 09, 2022, 08:45:08 PM »
How were other people's germination rates, especially those from Dada this spring? I got one out of 20. Not suggesting bad handling or anything, just hoping I didn't screw the rest up. It's been getting morning sun, even through the heat wave, so not as sun-intolerant as I'd heard.

First flower buds never developed, then dropped. Second set are doing nothing, but a third set are quickly turning into flowers. Hope to get some fruit before the frost probably kills it. I read they fruit in June in Brazil, so up here that'd be December. Also hope they're not toxic...

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