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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Big yellow guava
« on: October 09, 2022, 01:18:24 PM »
Wow, looks good. What's it taste like?

Could it just be burn from the grow lights? In the last pic the internodal length looks really short (i.e. maybe too much light). Even the one I have in full sun most of the day is more stretched out. It doesn't really look like my green sapotes. Mine aren't grafted so that could account for it, idk. The leaves are also darker green than mine, and less elongated.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing pawpaw in Southern California
« on: October 08, 2022, 06:28:38 PM »
My lows are around 25f-30f and my highs can be 110-115f. I don't think the Bay is nearly as brutal. That heat wave had us over 100f for a week straight with evening lows of 75f so you can see how a temperate tree just couldn't handle the heat. Most temperate trees I have suffered, but paw paws by far the worst.

Depending on where you are in SD County, you may be milder than I am and could do a full sun planting.

We were over 100 for at least 5 days I think, peaked at 111, with a couple others 108 or 109. Evening lows of 75 sounds cooler than here, it was I think 90 degrees at 9 pm on the hottest nights. I had to move almost every single potted plant into shade for that week, and water them twice a day. I was hosing down the pawpaws and other in-ground stuff too. Probably running extra drip irrigation cycles. Normally it runs every 3-4 days in the summer. Lows in the winter are usually 26 F a couple of nights. Last few days have had highs of 87-89, lows of 55. Soil I believe is sandy clay loam.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Growing pawpaw in Southern California
« on: October 04, 2022, 10:55:52 PM »
Mine took years to get established, but are in full sun all day without issues this year. I'm somewhat inland, hotter than on the bay. They're about 5 ft tall, from bare root planted in-ground in 2018 I believe. I planted 6 but 2 died. Not growing fast yet, probably have doubled in height in 4 growing seasons. If I had to do it over again I'd direct-sow seeds. I bet I'd have bigger trees by now. I used shade cloth for a year or more, don't remember how long.  I actually had my drip irrigation get shut off for a month this summer before I noticed. I'd been giving the pawpaws a little supplemental water, but not much. They didn't even look bad.

I think 3 of the 4 have flowered, the biggest ones. One has set fruit two years in a row, but dropped them after a few weeks. They set fine without hand pollination.

I don't understand the flowering cycle for them. Mine are covered in flower buds now, which probably won't push/open until spring, but they're still fully leafed-out, and haven't seen chill hours in months AFAIK. I think I had one open a flower in August once.

They look like they might push new leaves now, leaf buds are swollen, but I think they'll wait for spring. I only get a few pushes/flushes a year, in the spring. Mexican katydids eat holes in the young leaves as they emerge, but aside from that they're doing well.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Does this look like Psidium Longipetiolatum?
« on: September 29, 2022, 03:30:11 PM »
P. longipetiolatum leaves are clearly different from P. cattleyanum IMO. P. robustum looks very similar to cattleyanum. I don't have P. cattleyanum anymore, but robustum may have a bit thicker and waxier leaves than cattleyanum. I remember cattleyanum being more coreaceous, like the leaves would snap rather than bend.  Longipetolatum leaves are rounder and bigger, going to heart shaped on mature plants. Since yours flowered, you'd also have seen long (~1 inch) petioles on the flowers/fruit. My guess is P. robustum, but could be yellow P. cattleyanum.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What is eating my white sapote leaves?
« on: September 29, 2022, 03:19:51 PM »
I get similar damage on a lot of plants from Mexican Katydids. I just manually remove them. They're hard to spot but I kill maybe ten per year, kill the adults when I spot them at night on the windows attracted to the light. I think the damage is usually from juveniles, and that they are active during the day.

I grew several melons, not this one, all supposed to be sweet. Most have reviews saying they're not sweet, but a few reviews say they're sweet and tasty. I waited until I could smell them from 10 feet away to pick--or let them drop, tried letting them ripen on the counter. Great smell, nice musky flavor, but not sweet. Tried again the next year with more varieties, same result. I think they need to be dry farmed in arid conditions to get sweet, and even then maybe my expectations were just too high. I mentioned this to SeaWalnut, who said you have to put sugar on them. Still I read about these Central Asian melons that are supposed to taste like Creme Brulee, and wonder if I just need to try one more variety, one more growing season.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mayan Fruit ID
« on: September 19, 2022, 11:44:15 AM »

That first Arbutus is probably Arbutus 'Marina'. Unedo doesn't have red peeling bark. Could be a native madrone, but they're rare in urban/cultivated areas.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Garcinia ID
« on: September 18, 2022, 01:46:04 PM »
Elouicious, if you haven't seen this, I bet you'd like it. Seems like he's doing what you're describing. He has an account on this forum I think.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Looking for Psidium Longipetiolatum
« on: September 08, 2022, 11:26:24 AM »
I got free seeds from Rtried a couple years ago, I think he fruited his. Already gave away my extras, but basically every seed came up. They should be more common soon, easy to grow.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Seedling id
« on: September 07, 2022, 12:05:55 PM »
Jatropha integerrima?

One of mine took off once I planted it in a tomato bed a couple months ago. It looks almost like a different species from yours, eloicious. Mine grows as a stocky upright plant, leaves around a foot long. I have it in a tomato cage, but don't think it needs it. I think I planted the seeds in February last year, kept them small in pots over the winter. Another I planted in-ground died back to the ground, resprouted, but is still small. I noticed the first flower buds today. Hopefully it's not toxic. The buds are just above the bend point:

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What is wrong with this grimal?
« on: August 27, 2022, 03:10:34 PM »
Too much shade IMO. Maybe too wet too. My grimals sometimes seem unhappy in full sun, but decline like this when I put them in part shade.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jaboticaba - Wet Feet Myth?
« on: August 27, 2022, 03:08:01 PM »
Most of mine improved with saucers. Yellow in particular seems to love water. I do let the saucers dry out between waterings.

Frangula caroliniana or Frangula alnus?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Treating mosaic virus with aspirin.
« on: June 01, 2022, 07:26:57 PM »
My gut says not a mosaic virus.

Thanks for the offer Kaz, but I need to stop collecting plants that get big. I got the cutting from achetadomestica, so I feel pretty confident it's White Shatoot. I didn't label well, so a mixup is possible, but I really don't think so. I didn't get mulberries from anyone else. He told me his tree was a rooted cutting, but that all his rooting attempts failed. I rooted it in a pot with a sandy soil mix. I read something about rooting M. nigra, that it's very difficult, but the Persians have a technique where they root it in sand or a sandy mix at a certain time of the year, in winter I think.

The tree has an upright growth habit, mostly lobed leaves (some with 5 or more), distinctive orange cambium, and is a slow grower. It fruited very lightly this year, first year fruiting. Lots of seeds in the fruit. It will be interesting to see what the fruits are like next year. When they started coming in not elongated I thought it was a mislabeled Tice or something, but they ripened white.

I've decided my Thai Dwarf tastes very similar to a VdB fig. When really ripe it has that figgy flavor. Have you tried letting yours continue to ripen?

Thai dwarf are great this year. Extremely sweet, with a nice floral flavor. My mom tried one last night, and she was blown away by the flavor. I've picked many of them too early, and don't like them underripe. I've heard they have a nice tartness underripe, but they're just bland to me. But when the stems turn a bit brown they're excellent. That's after the fruit have been fully black for somewhere around 5-7 days. I'm surprised at all the negative reviews they get.

White shatoot is fruiting for the first time, after rooting a cutting in February 2019. The fruits are short and round, not elongated. They aren't good underripe, but if you let them turn from green to white to pinkish brown, a little shriveled, they're nice and sweet, with a melon flavor. The sweetness gives way to an aftertaste I'd liken to melon rind, which isn't great. The fruits will probably improve in the coming years, but thai dwarf is the clear winner so far.

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