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Exactly two months ago, I ordered 24 scions from JF, and I tried my very first graft onto a bunch of rootstocks that I had bought earlier for grafting.

I thought it'd be fun to check back and report my successes and failures in a thread here.

A few notes -- two weeks after grafting all 24 scions, I had to leave town for almost a month.  During my absence, I set them up with an automated dripline, and set them out in full sun, but underneath a homemade greenhouse I threw together using some scrap wood and painters-grade plastic floor covering.  I set the covering up on blocks so there was a 10" opening at the bottom to allow air to flow freely, but still capture some heat and moisture while protecting from the sun.  I seemed to work great.

My biggest problem was that when I returned home to check on them, all of them had grown multiple new shoots out of the rootstock material, while pushing very little from the grafted material.  So exactly one month ago, I cut back all the new non-scion growth, and I've been checking for new non-scion growth every couple days and cutting it back before it grows.  I'm sure that if I hadn't wasted all that energy on new non-scion growth, I'd be doing even better right now.

Anyways, on to the results.  I grafted:

2 Coconut Cream scions - 2 successes - 1" growth on one, and 7" growth on the other.
2 Coconut Cream scions - 1 success - 1" growth, and no growth yet, but still alive
2 Coconut Cream scions - 0 successes - both no growth yet, but still alive

2 Lemon Zest scions - 1 success, 1 failure (dead) - the live scion has 2 small pushes of less than an inch
2 Lemon Zest scions - 1 success, 1 failure (dying/barely green) - the live scion has a 4" growth

2 CAC/COC scions - 1 success, 1 failure (dead) - the live scion has a small push of less than an inch
2 CAC/COC scions - 2 successes - biggest grower of them all - one scion has pushes of 8" and 10", the other has 5" and 6"!

2 Manohar scions - 2 successes - 2" and 5"

2 Parson scions - 1 success, 1 failure (dead) - the live scion has growth that's 15" long!

3 Fruit Punch scions - 1 success, 1 failure (dead) - the live scion has growth of 5" and 4" plus two more buds.  There's also one with no growth yet, but it's still alive.

3 Sunrise scions - 1 success - 2" plus two scions that have no growth yet, but are still alive.

All-in-all, that makes 13 successes, 5 failures, and 6 "no-growth-yet-but-still-green" -- I'm ecstatic with this result, given it's my first time grafting anything!

Thanks again, JF, for the good quality budwood!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Leaving Mango Grafts for 5 weeks
« on: June 23, 2020, 11:04:28 AM »
Unfortunately, I have to leave town for three weeks, and I just attempted 24 grafts one week ago -- they'll be 5 weeks old when I return.

Will this be a problem, dooming them to failure?  I was planning on keeping a close eye, but now I'm not sure what to do.

I have them all set up with drip irrigation keeping the rootstock well-watered, and I rigged up a homemade greenhouse to keep them in to protect from direct sun...

Is there anything I can do before I leave other than hope and pray?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Mango cleft graft slipping - please help!
« on: June 15, 2020, 08:47:48 PM »
I got my mango scions today (THANK YOU, JF) and I ran into an unexpected problem.  Every time I try to secure a cleft graft by wrapping it, the scion just slides upward, out of the graft, from the pressure I put on the sides.

How do I keep this from happening?  How do I secure it in place?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Mango leaves of unusual size
« on: June 14, 2020, 11:07:21 PM »
How big can mango leaves actually get? I bought a Sweet Tart tree a few weeks back, and it's latest flush is enormous!  Is this normal?

Looking for scions/trees:

E4 (Sugarloaf)
K3 (Kathy/Kryptonite)
J12 (Super Julie)

also possibly

Orange Sherbet
Fruit Punch
Pina Colada
Ceci Love
Bailey's Marvel
Juicy Peach
Pineapple Pleasure
Honey Kiss
Peach Cobbler

Located in San Diego...

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Grafting Mango Opinions
« on: June 06, 2020, 09:48:31 PM »
I just picked up a Manila seedling with two similar sized branches branching off about 10 inches above the soil.

Would you graft two scions, or just one? 

Same cultivar or different?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Planting Ataulfo Mango Seeds
« on: June 04, 2020, 07:27:49 PM »
I found a box of 15 Ataulfo Mangoes at Sam's Club for less than $7, and after enjoying them immensely (greatest joy/$ ratio of any mango purchase I've ever made), I decided to plant the seeds.

It's amazing the difference in sizes of the seeds inside similarly-sized mangoes and husks...

Almost all of them had this fragile translucent wrap around them, but I took it off.  Hopefully that's not important.

I'm assuming nothing will grow from the two smallest, but I'm going to try anyway.  I'll post updates here.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / My Mixed box from Mangomen
« on: June 04, 2020, 02:43:12 PM »
I got a mixed box of mangoes shipped to a friend's house when I was visiting (they don't ship to CA) and this is what I got:

Unfortunately, the Angie and Pruter mangoes were too ripe for eating -- thankfully, the Mangomen said they'll refund for those two mangoes -- unfortunately, I still haven't tried an Angie, so I don't know if the parts I did consume were representative of the cultivar or not.

The Martian Pride and Pope were just fine, but nothing special.

This was my first time eating ST mangoes, and they were every bit as good as everyone says.  Absolutely phenomenal.

The real treasure here, though, was the Deimos mango.  I'd never heard of it before, but it was exceptional.  Sweet, citrusy, and very bright in flavor.  My wife, especially, loved it.

Who here has tried a Deimos?  Where can I get more?  What's its availability to graft/grow?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Five New Mango Trees!
« on: May 07, 2020, 10:22:32 PM »
I just picked up five new mango trees:

Cotton Candy
Orange Essence

What considerations should I take when deciding where to plant them?  Does any one of them do better in clay soil, for example?  Which are the more vigorous growers?  Which will enjoy more sun/shade?

I'll try to figure out how to post pictures here in a bit.  Thanks in advance!


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Separating Manila Mango Seedlings
« on: May 07, 2020, 10:18:43 PM »
*newbie question here*

I bought some manila seedlings off a friend to grow as rootstock for when I decide to try my hand at grafting.  He never separated them, and two of the pots I got each have three "trunks" in them.

Am I correct in saying that they're likely three different trees?  Will it be hard to separate them now that they're about 18 inches tall?  What will happen if I do or don't separate them?



Tropical Fruit Discussion / Mango -- Orange Sherbet vs. Orange Essence
« on: April 21, 2020, 08:12:50 PM »
Can anyone explain the difference between the two?  How do they compare in taste, production, vigor, etc.?  I've read about each, but I'm having a hard time keeping them straight...

Which do you prefer?

I recently found a virtually limitless supply of 18-month-old composted horse manure that I can use for composting my orchard.  Is there such thing as too much compost?

How will it affect various trees differently?  I have a dozen citrus trees and 20-ish stone fruits, in addition to my 7 avocados and 7 mangoes.

I was at Walter Anderson Nursery, and I saw a bunch of mangoes from LaVerne that were about 2ft tall, with the graft right at the top.  This is the first time I've noticed encountering that...  Will that make any difference down the road?  Why do they graft it there?

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